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December 10, 2012 2:30:26 PM

Hey guys, First post ever and I've been lacking in gaming with my current setup at the moment. However I have been doing my research and have found some pretty cool things such as a new GPU, Processor and a new PSU.


Current Specs:

Graphics Card: 1 GB ATI Radeon HD 5450

RAM : 4 GB Kingston DDR3

PSU: Not sure at the moment but it's 500W that I am sure of which is no good for the graphics card I want which will be replaced.

MotherBoard: Asus M5A78L - M LX V2

Processor: AMD Athlon II X2 250

Hard Drive: 500GB SATA2 7200rpm

Case: Mars Neon Blue Black Gaming Case





Upgrade I am fond of:

Graphics Card : XFX ATI Radeon HD 6970

RAM: 8 GB KIT Same model

PSU: Corsair CX750 Builder Series CX 750W ATX/EPS 80 PLUS Bronze PSU

Processor: AMD Phenom II X6 1045T Six Core Processor


My real question is if this is all compatible with each other? If not please leave suggestions to otherwise what would be reccomended.


This is the price that it should cost:



Left aside the RAM which is another £25.


PS: If anyone reccomends any other products please don't leave a link of New Egg as they don't ship to the UK and it's US and Canada only. :( 
December 10, 2012 2:43:17 PM

It looks like it should all go together well. It's all previous generation (minus the psu) but the prices are pretty hard to beat. If you were to move to current gen parts you'd be looking at an

FX-6300(Faster Overall+Compatible w/ mobo but 2x expensive)

and

7850 (4% Slower @1920x1200)
a b U Graphics card
December 10, 2012 2:50:50 PM

do u use your PC for gaming only or do u do video editing or othe stuff?
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December 10, 2012 3:04:29 PM

I'm looking into hardcore Gaming :p  but I do have a pretty tight budget atm.
a b U Graphics card
December 10, 2012 3:07:12 PM

how much?
December 10, 2012 3:11:16 PM

Nothing more than £360 haha, although I'm pretty sure the rig I want should just be fine.

I also need to know weather if the 6970 is compatible with the PSU I listed depending on W.

Also my mobo is 1.1 and I am sure that 2.1 and so on is backwards compatible?
a b U Graphics card
December 10, 2012 3:17:48 PM

they are backwards compatible. but 1.1 is still VERY old.
i say ditch your mobo and just get an i3 with a b75 mobo it is still very cheap.
and intel's CPU's are really good in gaming!!
and u will have to OC the phenom too. if u get that one.
and with an i3 u can get a good quality 450W PSU with a GTX650 ti or a hd7850
a c 177 U Graphics card
December 10, 2012 4:17:57 PM

@ Rabszeh: Yes, they'll all work together just fine.
According to Asus, the motherboard supports the new CPU directly, so you should not need to flash the BIOS.
While it is old, the motherboards PCI-E slot is more than fast enough to support current cards, the performance loss with a PCI-E 2.0/3.0 card will be tiny, too small to notice.
A few other points though:
Your system will need a 64 bit operating system to use 8Gb of memory, if you have a 32 bit OS, do not add memory, you'll just be throwing money away.
The new CPU is n't a bad one, it runs close to my own i5 750 and beats it in some tests. It seems to me to be a sound upgrade, cheaper than the i3 route with better performance.
I would cut the powersupply down, though, you're paying too much for what you do n't need, and the money could be better spent on a stronger graphics card.
finally, what is your monitor resolution? If you're playing at 1920x1080 then we'll need to point towards a stronger graphics card, at 1600x900, or lower we can aim at something less expensive.

AND>>>it looks like you're in the UK, so here's a few names to check: Scan, Overclockers, Aria, Misco, Dabs, Ebuyer and Pixmania...Amongst others ;) .
December 10, 2012 4:41:16 PM

coozie7 said:
@ Rabszeh: Yes, they'll all work together just fine.
According to Asus, the motherboard supports the new CPU directly, so you should not need to flash the BIOS.
While it is old, the motherboards PCI-E slot is more than fast enough to support current cards, the performance loss with a PCI-E 2.0/3.0 card will be tiny, too small to notice.
A few other points though:
Your system will need a 64 bit operating system to use 8Gb of memory, if you have a 32 bit OS, do not add memory, you'll just be throwing money away.
The new CPU is n't a bad one, it runs close to my own i5 750 and beats it in some tests. It seems to me to be a sound upgrade, cheaper than the i3 route with better performance.
I would cut the powersupply down, though, you're paying too much for what you do n't need, and the money could be better spent on a stronger graphics card.
finally, what is your monitor resolution? If you're playing at 1920x1080 then we'll need to point towards a stronger graphics card, at 1600x900, or lower we can aim at something less expensive.

AND>>>it looks like you're in the UK, so here's a few names to check: Scan, Overclockers, Aria, Misco, Dabs, Ebuyer and Pixmania...Amongst others ;) .



Hey coozie,

I'm definitely a 64 bit-user so that's all good. I appreciate your time to look at the thread also as I see you've listed quite a few pointers down there. I will check into a few of these company's you've listed down as it seems interesting.

Also for the PSU how much less do you suggest? As I've seen on many other threads most users suggest 850W Max and 650 Min. But I have seen most people reccomend buying a quality PSU with atleast 750W which seemed just about in the middle to me.

As for screen reso. Mine is 1360 x 768

a c 177 U Graphics card
December 10, 2012 5:08:45 PM

Hello, mate ;) .
Good one on the OS.
Power is open to debate, I work on the 'Victorian Steam Engine' principle but then again I have some fairly expensive and overclocked hardware. You can stick with the unit you linked to or save a bit by dropping down to 550 Watts (or over) and suffer no problems. Key here is QUALITY, Look for: Antec. OCZ, Corsair, Silverstone, Pc Power and Cooling or Seasonic.
Monitor resolution is something else, though.
If you're going to stay with this display then there's not much point getting a card over the GTX650/HD7770 class, either will pretty well max out anything out there at that resolution. As an absolute maximum you should go for the GTX650Ti/HD7850 (1Gb), at such a low resolution more video memory is not needed, and you'll just be paying for things you do n't need.
a b U Graphics card
December 11, 2012 2:47:45 AM

for 720p i would go for GTX 650ti and thats it.
and i still would go for the i3 3220
if u wanted video editing or other encoding tasks i would say a phenom
but in games....... its a different story
first of all a 6 core for gaming??
that is useless most games only use 2 cores, some games use 4 and that is it!
games dont benefit from cores so 6 core is just useless.
and an i3 WILL beat the old phenom
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/319393-28-phenom-phen...
http://www.sevenforums.com/chillout-room/176297-intel-c...
y may see benchmarks where a phenom will come close to an i5 but they are games that dont require too much CPU power!!
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-phenom-ii-x6-10...
but look at how the phenom falls in games that require CPU
like dragon age origins and dawn of war 2.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3674/amds-sixcore-phenom-...
and u r not getting a 1090T u r getting a 1045T which is a huge step down.
and u will still have to OC to get acceptable performance.
if u still dont believe me start a new thread named i3 3220 vs phenom x6 1045T for gaming an u'll see.
an the links are all about the i3 2100 and i3 3220 is 5-10% faster than that!
phenom is old and bad for gaming adn six cores are absolutely useless for gaming
i3 all the wayyyyyy
a c 177 U Graphics card
December 11, 2012 9:46:40 AM

@ Dheeraj9933: You make some valid points but let's get real, here, the 1045T is a big improvement over the OPs existing CPU and I doubt he'll see any improvements over it by getting a faster one-anything over 60 FPS is just wasted and the 1045 is more than capable of reaching that at 720 resolutions.
There is a BUT here, though...
Are you planning on getting a higher resolution monitor in the near future, Rabszeh?
a b U Graphics card
December 11, 2012 12:17:53 PM

well yeah 1045 maybe good for 720p but what isn't good for 720p?
and also it consumes a lot more power than the i3!!!
i3 is new, has smaller 22nm transistors, low TDP, and is a dual core, with high performance per core, that is exactly what a gamer needs!
and he can upgrade to an i5 in the future if he ever wants to, but with the phenom that is it,
no more power :pt1cable: 
i know u like the phenom but even u dont have it :lol: 
phenom is a great CPU and after all this time after launch it is still one of the fav CPU's for budget builders,
but truth is the truth, an i3 is better at gaming than the phenom and u know it
a c 177 U Graphics card
December 11, 2012 3:35:38 PM

This is starting to get way off topic ;) .

IF Rabszeh retains the current display for a while, then the 1045+650/HD7850 is plenty enough, for now and for as long as he keeps that display.
IF Rabszeh is planning on changing the display for one of higher resolution then it would, indeed benefit him to switch over to the Intel Side, even though the change would be more expensive and may limit his current video card choices.
a b U Graphics card
December 11, 2012 4:52:09 PM

55$ motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
120$ i3 3220
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
180$ 7850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
45$ PSU corsair
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

they add upto 400$ and 307 euro
50 less than your current build. and this is better than your previous options.
it consumes less power, it is newer, more future proof too!
and will play at ultra even in 1080p let alone your 720p :D 
December 11, 2012 5:01:39 PM

Hey guys sorry for the late reply. I understand where you're coming from Dheeraj but technology is so advanced most games well that I play on atleast is more dependent on CPU as much as the GPU.

However as for upgrading, I do believe Intel has a side of gaming that I have yet to experience in the future most likely. That also goes with the motherboard too which I'm not too sure changing at this moment.

@coozie7 As for monitors, I should be upgrading in March :p 

I'm not sure of getting any other cards at the moment but I am definetely going to try in the future! :D 

Thanks for all the feedback guys.

Also my other question is that:

If I was to get another power-supply which isn't so strong which one do you reccomend me? As I will NOT be using crossfire.

Please no new-egg links as I can't purchase of that.

Amazon links will be appreciated :) 
a b U Graphics card
December 11, 2012 5:32:51 PM

if u think i3 is weaker than the phenom in games u r wrong.
tell me what is the most cpu dependent game that u play.
and i will tell u i3's performance in that game, it will be more than the phenom.
it is a misconception that mre cores= more power
this is not true. an i3 WILL beat the phenom, and since u r upgrading to a 1080p anyway, i3 is better even according to coozie!!
and upgrading the mobo is not expensive, it is just 50$ more, which u can save from a less power PSU.
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Builder-Watt-EPS%C2%A0-CX...
and just for 40 euro u r sacrificing something that is just awesome
http://www.amazon.co.uk/GIGABYTE-GA-B75M-D3V-Micro-ATX-...
get this mobo with an i3
phenom is old hot and just. outdated an i3 will beat it in CPU intensive games.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...
it says an i3 is best only to be rival by an overclocked fx.
but if u still want to pursue amd cpu for gaming get a phenom 4x 955 as it will perform same in the games. it is just your loss anyway
a c 177 U Graphics card
December 11, 2012 7:03:21 PM

@ Rabszeh: Like this?

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/650w-corsair-enthusiast-...

Whatever you choose, QUALITY should be importaint, cheap PSUs do not deliver their claimed output and lack protection-They are cheap for a reason!
If you are going to get a higher resolution monitor, a stronger graphics card will be useful, and, like the new powersupply, can be carried over into future upgrades.
While the HD6950 is still a powerful piece of kit the HD7950 is even better and you can get both the linked powersupply and a HD7950:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/3gb-xfx-radeon-hd-7950-d...
and STILL stay well under budget.
And I'm using that exact same card right now on an 'old' i5 750 (albeit overclocked to 3.4GHz)..
And they run on a 1920x1080 monitor quite sweetly, thank you :)  .
December 11, 2012 10:04:02 PM

coozie7 said:
@ Rabszeh: Like this?

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/650w-corsair-enthusiast-...

Whatever you choose, QUALITY should be importaint, cheap PSUs do not deliver their claimed output and lack protection-They are cheap for a reason!
If you are going to get a higher resolution monitor, a stronger graphics card will be useful, and, like the new powersupply, can be carried over into future upgrades.
While the HD6950 is still a powerful piece of kit the HD7950 is even better and you can get both the linked powersupply and a HD7950:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/3gb-xfx-radeon-hd-7950-d...
and STILL stay well under budget.
And I'm using that exact same card right now on an 'old' i5 750 (albeit overclocked to 3.4GHz)..
And they run on a 1920x1080 monitor quite sweetly, thank you :)  .



Interesting stuff man! :o  I'm thinking of getting my own rig for now but I am really interested what kind of graphics card I can upgrade to in the future if I buy a really strong PSU.

I was thinking of buying the 7970 but is it much of a difference compared to the 7950? I'm not so sure of for now but I guess i'll wait for a reply ^.^

Also the 6970 that I will get soon looks like an amazing first upgrade in my honest opinion but I'm more than sure that there are much more better graphics cards on the market that are capable of anything really.
a c 177 U Graphics card
December 12, 2012 9:54:16 AM

For many there's not enough performance increase over the HD7950 to justify the extra cost of a HD7970, but the choice is yours to make.

You did ask in your first post if we could make other suggestions, well here's mine:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/650w-corsair-enthusiast-...
Modular, so less clutter in the case, it's got dual 8-pin PCI-E connectors, plenty of power and it's quiet.

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/3gb-xfx-radeon-hd-7950-d...
Gets a little noisy under extreeme stress, but I can never hear it when gaming-yes I have this exact same card.

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/amd-phenom-ii-x4-965-bla...
This Black Edition has an unlocked multiplier-plenty of overclocking potential-and will drop straight into your existing motherboard. As has already been said, a 6 core CPU is not really needed for gaming.

Total comes to a fraction over your original £358 and you'll get better results.

One last point, it may pay you to do the upgrade in stages: Get the PSU/card first then consider the CPU/motherboard later. The reason? The motherboard is quite old and it may be more cost effective to go for an Intel 'i' processor and new motherboard when you upgrade the monitor rather than tying your money up in the current platform.
a b U Graphics card
December 12, 2012 4:28:30 PM

No issues yet :-P It's when next year's games and the year after start dragging down performance that you'll really notice the frame latency. If you're somebody who buys a new high end card each year though to stay on top (and there's nothing wrong with that) then through 'brute force' of frames/second, you should have enough muscle there for smooth performance in current games.

As for Overclockers, they may be better than they used to be, but I don't use them any more. They had absolutely horrible after-sales / returns service - refusing to accept back dead-on-arrival hardware and then demanding a 're-stocking fee' of £20. They had a rating of just under 3 on Google product search. Rating has improved a lot now so they either sorted it out or they wrote/purchased a load of fake reviews. Up to you whether you want to roll the dice. They also charged £7 delivery too, which took the pss a bit. Check:

scan.co.uk
aria.co.uk
dabs.com
ebuyer.com
novatech.co.uk
a c 177 U Graphics card
December 12, 2012 4:36:29 PM

And, again in the interests of fair play I'll say that I've used Overclockers quite a bit and never had issue with them, when I returned an aweful HD4870 under the Distaince Selling Regulations the RMA was handled quickly and the money refunded within days...Anyone else have anything to add on this-way off topic-point?
I keep forgetting poor old Novatech in my lists, popped 'em onto the Favourites again.
Of course, those other places are likely to have the same card ;) .
a b U Graphics card
December 12, 2012 4:48:34 PM

Yeah Novatech tends to be my last port of call... to be honest, they rarely have the best prices any more, but delivery is free and there's occasionally an excellent deal. And an occasional deal is reason enough to check!
a c 177 U Graphics card
December 12, 2012 6:17:44 PM

^ Seldom have truer words been spoken ;) !
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