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January 28, 2013 3:05:00 AM

Im trying to build a Gaming Capable Pc.. Keyword being capable, not just outstanding, I mostly xbox, but i like to veg on the pc and play from time to time. I dont hit up Bf3, or Borderlands, so Consider wow to be a benchmark test for me.

My build on pcpartspicker will be listed..

I am using only items with good reviews, and am trying to stay below 650$ (Cuz im Poor)
I am also trying to be as future proof as possible.. I know amd is less future proof.. but i have a build for intel and amd, and would like some feedback on both if at all possible..

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/A1vL

Intel Build: z77 - i5 2500k - 16gb - *** Video card

Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor or 3570k
Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
ASRock Z77 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard
G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
Seagate Barracuda 750GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Zotac GeForce GTX 550 Ti 1GB Video Card
Rosewill REDBONE U3 ATX Mid Tower Case Total: $631

Or
Amd Fx 6300 - Radeon 7850 1gb - 24gb ram -
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/A1tm

AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor
Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
ASRock 970 Extreme3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard $84.99
G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600
Seagate Barracuda 750GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
XFX Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card
Rosewill REDBONE U3 ATX Mid Tower Case Total:$611

(This amd build comes with free 39$ value ddr3 1600 Pc3 12800 Stick of 8gb ram to make 24gb)

All parts have been hand picked and researched thoroughly, All have Good reviews.
Im assuming the amd will be an all around decent gaming rig short of single threaded applications, but less future proof as the intel 3570 z77 setup.

Any Thoughts would be much appreciated!

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January 28, 2013 3:20:56 AM

The second one is better. The 550ti is a weak GPU
Only get 8gb of RAM. games don;'t use more than 4gb

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($188.79 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.50 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($194.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $658.21
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-28 00:20 EST-0500)

This will be the best all around build. The GPU is better than the 7850. and the CPU is very strong as well.
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January 28, 2013 3:24:09 AM

I already have a Plextor 870 a burner.. Its ide, but its built by lite-on and supports dvd dual layer, so i could lose that 20, add it to the cpu and get the 2500k, or 3570k and be able to overclock.. I like ur psu, but i gotta go check the color, the antec i have in my build is smoky grey.. I dont like that alluminum look and both are 80 plus certified
Thanks for the reply tho..

Quick ? Is the patriot Viper 8gb better than gskill sniper 1866?
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January 28, 2013 3:24:15 AM

both are wasteful for gaming

The AMD build is a much better gamer thanks to having a decent graphics card
But cut the RAM to 2 x4 gig
and use the money you save there to get a Hyper 212 cooler

and you will need a power supply
450 watts , 80+ bronze or better
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January 28, 2013 3:25:30 AM

also the cooler master i have is notorius for running amazingly.. so that 20 could go toward the z77 board rather than h77
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January 28, 2013 3:27:31 AM

There are no IDE ports on motherboards . You could buy an adapter and us that in a pci slot , but a SATA dvd drive is probably cheaper
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January 28, 2013 3:30:07 AM

I already got an adapter, Via 6421 Chipset ;) .. Has 3 sata, and 1 ide
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January 28, 2013 3:33:47 AM

Ok, well heres a real question for ya, Should i drop the extra 8gb and bump up to the 83xx vishera? or go with a non overclockable intel?
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January 28, 2013 3:38:27 AM

go with the 6300 and the best graphics card you can afford
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January 28, 2013 6:11:03 AM

ok, So after looking around for a bit, i decided to head over, grab 8gb of ram, but i still get another 8gb free with the purchase of the board.. Should i abandon the dual 4gb gskill sniper 1866 and keep the value series 1600 single channel 8gb.. Or stick em all in there and run at 1600?

Also decided to go for the 2gb 256bit 7850.. Better reviews and all
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January 28, 2013 7:24:55 AM

dual channel gives you a boost in performance of 6 - 10 %

using the extra stick would force you back to single channel so sell it to someone else
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January 28, 2013 8:03:33 AM

K.. understood.. dont think i made clear what i was saying.. I removed the 1866 memory to get back under budget.. down to single 8gb gskill ripjaw x 1600 - The other stick i get for free is also G-skill (Value) 1600 - both are dual channel sticks, with same everything, Only difference i can see is one has a heat spreader, even on spec sheets the gskill x timing is 10-10-10-30 - and the value 8gb 1600's timing is 11-11-11-28.

What i was asking is if i stuck both sticks in there would it be a performance increase due to 16gb v. 8gb, or should i drop the other stick since most programs dont use more than 4gb or so anyway? - Or is there enough of a difference to care?
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January 28, 2013 8:30:13 AM

You want matched ram for dual channel. Check out this build.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($159.15 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($79.98 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($36.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 620W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $636.07
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-28 05:23 EST-0500)

With a 212+, you can OC an fx8320 at least a couple notches past 4ghz on this mobo. Good ram. Not 1600 speed, but good cas latency. You likely won't notice the difference in games. Quality HDD. HD7870 with custom cooler to overclock(cool and quiet). HAF 912 has some great features for the price. That neo eco 620 is great at that price. just make sure you have a power cable.

What about OS? If retail windows u r good, but if oem it was tied to the last mobo install on and you'd need a new copy. Hope this helps.
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January 28, 2013 8:45:02 AM

syrax442 said:
K.. understood.. dont think i made clear what i was saying.. I removed the 1866 memory to get back under budget.. down to single 8gb gskill ripjaw x 1600 - The other stick i get for free is also G-skill (Value) 1600 - both are dual channel sticks, with same everything, Only difference i can see is one has a heat spreader, even on spec sheets the gskill x timing is 10-10-10-30 - and the value 8gb 1600's timing is 11-11-11-28.

What i was asking is if i stuck both sticks in there would it be a performance increase due to 16gb v. 8gb, or should i drop the other stick since most programs dont use more than 4gb or so anyway? - Or is there enough of a difference to care?



Those timings are grimly bad. Lower is better . 9-9-9-24 or LOWER

and buy a kit of 2 x4 gig . They have to be matched or they wont work together [ usually]
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January 28, 2013 6:45:35 PM

Ive got an win 7 ultimate with 2 keys left, Im liking the build, but im worried price/performance from the vishera 6300 - 8300 isnt cost effective, and i dont have the money to front before i get all the rebates back (if i get them back) so it needs to be about 600 or so before rebates. gonna play around and see what i can come up with
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January 28, 2013 7:33:50 PM

Here is something you might want to consider:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 975 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($82.18 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($49.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($36.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 620W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB/RSBS DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $527.10
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-28 16:21 EST-0500)

All you need is a decent heat sink/fan cpu cooler to overclock a 975BE oem on this mobo. The cooler master hyper tx3 can push 4ghz+ while staying cool and quiet. It costs 19.99 at amazon or newegg with free shipping both places, so your total before rebates is under 600 bucks. Those tx3 links:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0028Y4S9K/?tag=pcpapi-20

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

At similar clock speeds, a phenom II x4 should match(if not beat) an fx6300. Phenom II cores are each 3 way super scaler while fx cores are 2 way super scaler(4x3 versus 2x6). Better single thread performance in Phenom II should work out better for you(games right now are pretty much using between 2 and 4 cores). Also, Phenom II has an FPU per super scaler(12 total) while fx has an FPU per module(3 total, but twice as wide). Given that, you could say Phenom II has double the floating point performance of fx6300(previously I was talking about integer units). Floating point prowess is generally more important for gaming than integer prowess. Hope this helps.


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January 28, 2013 8:09:46 PM

Ok so heres what i came up with, Keeping a black on black theme, good gaming experience, and staying at a Total or $633 After Tax & Shipping, but only$593 After Rebates - I Came up with a solid build.. What do ya think?>


NZXT GAMMA Classic Series GAMA-001BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -
ASUS M5A97 R2.0 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOs
PowerColor AX7850 2GBD5-DH Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR5
Antec NEO ECO 620C 620W Continuous Power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS Certified
G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Cas Latency = 9
AMD FX-6300 Vishera 3.5GHz (4.1GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Six-Core Desktop Processor \
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm
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January 28, 2013 8:11:30 PM

I didnt mention, All these parts are from newegg, With combo deals, and instant rebates applied.. I dont shop anywhere else unless i make a trip to Microcenter
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