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January 31, 2013 1:58:19 AM

Hello,

Looking for some advice/recommendations on the proposed build I've listed below. I haven't built a PC since 2003, so am a little out of the game with regards to components (been running laptops and ipad for a while). I would like to return to a PC for improved performance (60 to 75% of needs), and for gaming (25 to 40% of needs). The games I intend to play are FSX, AC-10, Lock On 3, Civ 5, Football Manager, and Company of Heroes. There is no need to FPS games as those are fine on my Xbox. I believe a 7870 should suffice for these games, and don't really want to spend more (could be convinced). I've always been an Nvidia guy, but lean heavily towards the 7870 due to price to performance.

Most say you don't need it, but I really want SSD and 16Gb of Ram (avg laptop use is 4Gb without games??). Would I benefit from 8gb kit with CL8 vs. the CL9 I picked, or negliable difference?

The PSU also has me baffled - no idea which one to go with!

My preference is to buy from one vendor, but the below is ~$200 understated due to the price for the 840 Pro not returning from Newegg.

I do not need a monitor, keyboard, mouse, or speakers. I do however need a wifi card (n), and possibly drive cables and bay adapters for SSD? Any recommendations?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Phil


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($214.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1035.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-30 22:55 EST-0500)

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January 31, 2013 2:35:57 AM

Short version - looks ok.

16Gb of ram is kinda overkill, but if you think you'll use it then go ahead, it's relatively cheap.
You can probably downgrade the motherboard a bit, the Extreme 4 is a popular board and should be a bit cheaper, unless there is something you specifically need from the Extreme 6.
If you want to be overclocking heavily then you might want to spend more on the cooler. 212 is a great cost/performance unit, depends on your expectations.
Power supply is more than you need really. I usually suggest the XFX Core 550 as a good quality unit.
Graphics card, you should check out the 7870 XT. Despite the name, it's actually more of a HD7950 on a diet than a 7870 on steroids.
You shouldn't need drive bay adaptors, pretty much all modern cases come with universal mounting systems or dedicated SSD points.

You are totally on the right track though.
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January 31, 2013 2:36:23 AM

You don't need that much ram. 6gb is fine for me, and I can max out almost any game.
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January 31, 2013 2:51:01 AM

Build looks good. I wouldn't change much there for the $. The SSD should leave you a good amount of space for your applications and games.
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January 31, 2013 2:51:14 AM

Yeah, 6 or 8GB is MORE than plenty. Using Battlefield 3, Photoshop, and 50 tabs in chrome all at once, my computer doesn't use more than 8GB.

I'd see what I could do to upgrade the graphics card as much as I can.
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January 31, 2013 12:47:06 PM

Thank you for the feedback.

The Radeon HD 7870 XT's are hard to track down - perhaps they are popular. I will keep searching though.

On the PSU, while I read 500W was required for the HD7870, I also saw that 650W was recommended (believe it was on AMD or XFX's site). Is there any problem with having 650W vs. 550W other than high electric bills and heat? I'm hoping the advantages (stability, minor overclocking etc) outweigh those two items.

Finally, on the memory, would 8Gb of CL8 be noticeably better than the 16Gb at CL9. Alternatively, I could go for either 8Gb or 16Gb or DDR3 1866 (as opposed to the DDR 1600 I selected). Again, any difference, or negligible?
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January 31, 2013 1:05:38 PM

Thank you for the feedback.

The Radeon HD 7870 XT's are hard to track down - perhaps they are popular. I will keep searching though.

On the PSU, while I read 500W was required for the HD7870, I also saw that 650W was recommended (believe it was on AMD or XFX's site). Is there any problem with having 650W vs. 550W other than high electric bills and heat? I'm hoping the advantages (stability, minor overclocking etc) outweigh those two items.

Finally, on the memory, would 8Gb of CL8 be noticeably better than the 16Gb at CL9. Alternatively, I could go for either 8Gb or 16Gb or DDR3 1866 (as opposed to the DDR 1600 I selected). Again, any difference, or negligible?
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January 31, 2013 1:37:37 PM

With what parts you have selected you could even run fine with a quality 450w PSU. With a 550w or 650w PSU you have plenty of room for OC'ing and other upgrades down the road

The RAM should be fine at 1600 mHz @ stock voltage of 1.5v CAS 9. You shouldn't see much difference going up to 1866 mHz, IMHO.
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January 31, 2013 2:47:55 PM

PhilH930 said:

The Radeon HD 7870 XT's are hard to track down - perhaps they are popular. I will keep searching though.

They are pretty new, haven't seen more than a couple of versions yet. I assume more are coming but it's a little strange there isn't a wave of them. At the price they are, they are a pretty tempting proposition, but I can only see the Powercolor version which I'm not sure I'd buy.

PhilH930 said:

On the PSU, while I read 500W was required for the HD7870, I also saw that 650W was recommended (believe it was on AMD or XFX's site). Is there any problem with having 650W vs. 550W other than high electric bills and heat? I'm hoping the advantages (stability, minor overclocking etc) outweigh those two items.

There aren't really any disadvantages to having a bigger PSU. It should only draw what it uses (plus losses to efficiency ofc). What I would say is that if your budget is $XX, then it's better to spend it all on quality than spend it on Watts. For the sake of potential future upgrades though, 650W is still sensible.

PhilH930 said:

Finally, on the memory, would 8Gb of CL8 be noticeably better than the 16Gb at CL9. Alternatively, I could go for either 8Gb or 16Gb or DDR3 1866 (as opposed to the DDR 1600 I selected). Again, any difference, or negligible?

Not a lot either way, quantity is only good if you can use it and speed (over a point) doesn't make massive gains. When you are building a computer these days, fancy ram isn't really a place to plow money into. 8Gb is the kinda accepted mark, 4Gb is still serviceable if you are on a budget. 16Gb is more than most people need, but like I said before, if you really want it then go ahead, it's not like you've read the maximum ram size of the motherboard and thought "thats the amount I need".
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February 2, 2013 3:21:59 AM

Pretty settled on most components now, but am revisiting due to possible GPU conflicts/poor performance with the games I desire to play.

I posted the following in the Graphics forum
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/390959-33-7870-7950-n...

Does anyone have any experience or thoughts on a AMD 7870 or 7950 vs a Nvidia 660Ti.
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February 2, 2013 11:11:54 AM

Build looks good, I would switch 16gb for 8gb and get the azrock extreme4. Maybe with the spare $$$ you can get a noctua d14
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February 2, 2013 5:12:39 PM

Quick feedback would be great. In Microcenter, and having a pretty good sale on some items. Also have me second guessing CPU due to prices.

I5-3570k for $190 or I7-3770k for $230.
Samsung Pro for $225
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February 2, 2013 5:14:09 PM

I'd definitely be tempted by the i7. For games it is of no benefit whatsoever, but it's a great deal.
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February 2, 2013 5:17:57 PM

And with the I5, the Astock extreme 4 would be $80. This could be fun!
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February 2, 2013 5:18:46 PM

^Go with the i5. You're not going to see a benefit from the i7 unless you do a whole bunch of rendering.
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February 2, 2013 5:19:22 PM

PhilH930 said:
And with the I5, the Astock extreme 4 would be $80. This could be fun!


I don't live in the states but as I understand it, Microcenter do a board+CPU for crazy cheap, very little else is great value but its so they can get you in their store and sell you more.
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February 2, 2013 5:22:22 PM

try this:CPU Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core $223.79
CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing $33.20
Motherboard ASRock Z77 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 $89.99
Memory Corsair 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 $39.00
Storage Toshiba 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM $49.99
Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" SSD $92.66
Video Card MSI GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB $283.98
Power Supply Corsair 650W ATX12V / EPS12V $69.99
Optical Drive Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer $16.98
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) $89.98


it totals to $980 all you need is a case :D 
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February 2, 2013 6:31:29 PM

Got some lunch and figured would settle for the following:

I5-3570k -$199
Asrick extreme 4 -$80
840 pro 256gb - $225
Few other parts about $5 to $10 lower than online (eg win7 oem, wireless card).

Will buy online:
PSU
Video card (undecided)
Case
CPU cooler
Memory

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February 2, 2013 8:15:48 PM

NICE deal! What is your remaining budget for the parts that your going to buy online?

PSU - $50 - $10 MIRc = $40!! Antec NEO ECO 520C 520W Continuous Power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
GPU - 7950 or 7870, which ever fits your budget
Case - Corsair 200 is a good and economical option.
CPU Cooler - I would wait on this unless your planing on OC'ing soon.
Memory - I would make sure you have RAM that has low heat spreaders (not sticking up much), so you can use whatever CPU HSF in the future. Also make sure you use 1600 mHz with 1.5v @ CAS 9 speeds.
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February 3, 2013 12:47:01 AM

Thanks for the feedback. The deal got even better at the register - the 840 Pro dropped to $205 (and iphone typo above as I5 was $189, not $199). Fortunate timing, as in total I picked up 7 components today, and bettered Neweggs pricing by $165 in total.

The budgets a little loose, and keeps tweaking (keep looking at one video card higher). But in reality, I'd like to spend ~$500 on the remaining parts as $1200 feels a fair price to re-start a PC hobby.

The Antec PSU looks excellent. Probably down to 4 or 5 PSU's. Just can't settle on a damn video card (would have bought a 7950 by now if it wasn't for mixed/poor FSX feedback).
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February 3, 2013 1:36:01 AM

blade2697 said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/B5EM

My build, $1,273.78


Any particular reason for the 660ti? I can't get that same price when clicking through your build.
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February 3, 2013 1:37:04 AM

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/B9tG
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/B9tG/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/B9tG/benchmarks/

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.16 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($184.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 850W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($122.75 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Other: mobo asus ($124.00)
Other: 3570k ($224.00)
Total: $1265.80
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-02 22:36 EST-0500)

Total: $1265.80

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February 3, 2013 5:31:28 AM

PhilH930 said:
Any particular reason for the 660ti? I can't get that same price when clicking through your build.


Well if you dont want the 660ti get the radeon HD 7950/7970 <-(I think there more expensive)

but i got the 660TI because in the future i believe more games will be Phsyx enabled, and I plan on playing quite a bit of battlefield 3, and battlefield 3 is nvidia sponsored (660 TI is Nvidia) 660ti full name is Nvidia GeForce 660 TI

If you cant get the same price make sure you get the Asus version and it has to have 2GB too.
I updated my build too, Still having a hard time deciding between two cases (Check my thread http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/363741-28-case)

but heres my build with Corsair 400R http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Bb9C
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