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January 31, 2013 3:15:49 PM

Greetings all.
I am going to build a new gaming system and I priced out some stuff from NewEgg and also did a bit of research, but I was hoping for final thoughts/suggestions on what I came up with before I plop the dollars down.

Here is what I have in mind:
MOBO: ASUS Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 ATX

CPU: AMD FX-Series, FD8350FRHKBOX AM3+ Vishera 8-core FX8350, 4x2mb L2 Cache, 8mb L3 cache Thermal Design 125W

RAM: G.Skill Ripjaw X, F3-1600C9D (PC312800) CAS lat. 9, timing 9/9/9 1.5volt dual channel kit unbuffered 16gb (2x8gb)

GPU: NVidea GTX550-TI (from a previous system)

HDD: Seagate BarracudaST31000524AS 1TB 7200rpm, sata 6gb

Optical: ASUS DRW-24B1ST as Black SaTA 24x DVD Burner

CASE: COOLERMASTER HAF932 (existing)

PSU: CORSAIR HX850 ATX12V/ESP12V 850W (existing)

I run two 19" lcd 1600x900 monitors

I already have the PSU and Case (as i just moved over my last MB/CPU to it temporarily.

Thoughts/Suggestions? It's around a $1000 2-phase build (phase 1 was the case/psu ~$300.00)

This computer will hopefully last 5 or so years on this build. My current one is around 6 years old

Thanks for your help!
January 31, 2013 3:43:26 PM

Your 550 Ti is going to be a major bottleneck for gaming on even one monitor, much less two monitors. It's barely acceptable for a low end $500 build.

You are blowing too much money places they aren't helping (like $300 for a case and power supply, and a sabertooth motherboard) and not on the one thing that actually makes games run well - the video card. On a $1000 gaming build, you should be putting $300 into the video card if not more.
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January 31, 2013 3:57:44 PM

twelve25 said:
Your 550 Ti is going to be a major bottleneck for gaming on even one monitor, much less two monitors. It's barely acceptable for a low end $500 build.

You are blowing too much money places they aren't helping (like $300 for a case and power supply, and a sabertooth motherboard) and not on the one thing that actually makes games run well - the video card. On a $1000 gaming build, you should be putting $300 into the video card if not more.

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You don't need 16GB of RAM. 8GB is more than enough now and in the next 3 years at least. Even if you do need more later, it is very easy to just add another 8GB later.
If you plan to SLI/Crossfire, just do it now. Adding a card later is usually not worth it because by the time you do need to add another card there is a single card option out at that time that is as powerful or more powerful than the SLI/Crossfire will be.

You already have the case and PSU, so nothing we can do to cut back there.

Use the money saved from RAM and MB to upgrade the video card.
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January 31, 2013 4:03:32 PM

GTX 660 Ti or 7950 or higher.
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January 31, 2013 5:08:09 PM

I see what you are saying. I could technically save a good amount of money by scaling back a bit, and as you suggested, I could put it back into the GPU. Would you consider a GTX 660 TI to be a good choice, or should I get something else? Admittedly, I wasn't figuring on a new GPU, so I really haven't really looked into them.

I could skip the HDD and drop a memory stick, that would almost cover the GPU cost. Should I cut back on the CPU to a less expensive 6core? Basically, I usually run 4 clients of EVE online & Netflix at the same time and games like BF3, Blackops II, etc. I want something that i wont have to mess with for about 4-5 years.

I currently run a Intel Core 2 Quad, Q8200 (2.33GHZ) it still works good and I am going to move it back to the original case for my fiance.
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January 31, 2013 5:39:48 PM

iceclock said:
its not a true octocore. its 4 physical cores that have 2 clusters each.




It has Eight integer cores and 4 floating point cores. So it depends on the workload.


AMD does have 16 core opteron processors, so even by your loose definition, they do have "true" 8 core chips.

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January 31, 2013 6:37:29 PM

if u saw what am cpus are the so called 8core is 4 threadsx2modules, not a true octocore at all, similar to 3770k 4cores+4ht cores but with slightly different architecture.

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January 31, 2013 7:25:54 PM

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if i was you, i would get a 670 and an i3. droping to an i3 along with your hdd and ram downgrades will pay for the better GPU, and no, it does not bottleneck the gtx 670.

http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/G/364516/original/CPU-scaling.png

please note, im not saying "teh itree is betur den teh AMD EiteTreeFitty!!11!!11!1!!one!11!!1"

its comparable, will it run faster in everything? no. will you see a noticeable diffrence? no. but it is 90 Dollars cheaper. when are you ever going to use 8 cores, anyways? 4 cores i can see, but not 8. the i3 doesn't choke that bad even on multi-core optimized games, and with higher res/aa/genral quality it is more GPU depenent, removing most, if not all, differences in FPS. end of the day, you get twice the fps from the GPU upgrade, and of that, loose 2% from the lower cpu


Yes. Gaming rigs you *ALWAYS* (repeat *ALWAYS*) want to put more in the GPU than you do in the CPU. That's where it really counts. There's very few games that make use of the high number of cores that the AMD FX has and there's almost no games that take advantage of hyper threading.
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January 31, 2013 8:03:44 PM

For gaming and overall robustness, I would select something like below:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($113.79 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 620W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB/RSBS DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $909.27
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-31 16:58 EST-0500)


* CPU is one of the best you can get!
* Mobo has all of the essentials.
* RAM is plenty for quite some time and fast enough without breaking the bank!
* GPU is good for the $ and if you feel your lacking in the GPU department, just turn down the settings or upgrade the GPU later.
* Case has plenty of room and can hold up to 300mm GPU's (12"). Has 2 x USB 3.0 ports.
* PSU has 48A on the 12v rail, so you will have plenty for any single GPU out there.
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January 31, 2013 9:21:20 PM


AMD FX-8320 Vishera: $170

2x4GB will be fine -- but DDR3 2133 will be even better.

And ...

LOL at using a GTX670 to game at 16x9



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January 31, 2013 9:35:50 PM

i have dislexia and somethimes my laptop keyboard seems to skip a lette dunno why, also ur comments have been reported, this type of behavior isnt allowed on toms, we are here to help and not make fun of other peoples disabilities.

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January 31, 2013 9:48:23 PM

masterman467 < Knock of the insults and negative comments,or a perma ban is coming real soon.
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January 31, 2013 10:16:04 PM

Wow, thanks all. This is awesome. I appreciate all your input. The last time I built a system was probably 8 or so years ago and a lot has changed. I went against my instincts and bought a LX6810-01 from gateway (which is my current computer). I wont ever buy a pre-made system again. It is a POS, but it really got me through the last few years.

I am kind of taking this all in and I weighing out the build

I will probably end up with something along these lines. I dont need to change my HDD at the moment so I am getting this down to a narrower parameter and many thanks for someone using PartPicker! I now have an easier way to do things.

CPU: Intel Core i5-2310 2.9GHz Quad-Core Processor ($174.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z75 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($82.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($309.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB/RSBS DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $639.51
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-31 19:09 EST-0500)
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January 31, 2013 11:31:30 PM


If you are going with Intel, you should wait until late-Spring for Haswell and socket 1150 motherboards.

Sandy/Ivy socket 1155 is kinda a dead end.

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January 31, 2013 11:34:33 PM

At $640 you can alternately use an AMD FX 6300

And an ASUS 990X motherboard

Game performance will be very similar to the i5 , but you have the option to overclock and when you do that you come very close to a 3570K at stock speeds
You also have a future upgrade path . The intel socket is dying in a few months but AMD will keep using AM3+ for at least one more generation
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February 1, 2013 12:34:19 AM

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/AL2h
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/AL2h/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/AL2h/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.87 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock 970DE3/U3S3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($43.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($219.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $663.77
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-31 21:33 EST-0500)

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February 1, 2013 2:48:46 AM

AMD Build with room for upgrades later:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6100 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($113.79 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 620W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB/RSBS DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $824.71
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-31 23:47 EST-0500)

~$85 ess than the i5 3570k build I listed above (mainly from CPU price difference).
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February 1, 2013 3:08:16 AM

more than his budget tho.

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February 1, 2013 3:11:03 AM

iceclock said:
more than his budget tho.

If I'm not mistaken "It's around a $1000 2-phase build (phase 1 was the case/psu ~$300.00)", so I'm well within the $1k budget.
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February 1, 2013 3:20:12 AM

fx-6100 sucks, though. I really does. And Especially when fx-6300 is only $10-15 more.

Wisecracker said:


Sandy/Ivy socket 1155 is kinda a dead end.


Every socket is a dead end. Socket 1155 i5's perform excellent and will be relevant for a long time. Haswell isn't looking to be much of a leap in performance. I would get ivy bridge, though, because they aren't any more expensive, perform a few percent better and use a bit less power.
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February 1, 2013 3:20:35 AM

no
he spent 300$ already, hes got 700$ left. or so if u read that correctly.

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February 1, 2013 1:27:54 PM

twelve25 said:
fx-6100 sucks, though. I really does. And Especially when fx-6300 is only $10-15 more.



Every socket is a dead end. Socket 1155 i5's perform excellent and will be relevant for a long time. Haswell isn't looking to be much of a leap in performance. I would get ivy bridge, though, because they aren't any more expensive, perform a few percent better and use a bit less power.


socket 1155 will be *relevant* for about 4 more months


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February 1, 2013 1:51:34 PM

Wisecracker said:
socket 1155 will be *relevant* for about 4 more months


So should I plan on my Sandy i5 self-destructing on the day Haswell is released? Will my games fail to load on that day? Should I plan on my photo edits to take 10x longer to complete than they do today?

If you are OK with the performance of Socket 1155 processors today, then it will be "relevant" until it no longer provides acceptable performance for the apps that are being released.

Besides, did you see the Engineering sample benchmarks for HAswell? Pathetically close to Ivy Bridge. It's going to be another power-savings upgrade more than anything. And yes I know it is a pre-production, but once it gets this far, only minor tweaks are going to happen. It's not going to suddenly turn into a 25% jump.





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February 1, 2013 2:00:18 PM

lol wisecracker u couldnt be more wrong, haswell gonna add at what 10% to 12% increase in performance at best, and be more power consumption friendly. 1155 not gonna be obsolete as am3 been active for a few years now and still running, well am3 and am3+.

until amd comes out with a magic trick they will continue to lose money, theyre biggest error buying ati, and not just concentrating on cpus.

thats the day they started slumping more.

hopefully theyres still time for them to have a royal flush.

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February 1, 2013 2:23:22 PM

It's hard to argue with the Radeon acquisition considering that's the industry they are actually a market leader in. And consider what Radeon has done for their APUs, which again, is a market they actually can win. I think the argument could be made that they should have dropped focus on high-end desktop processors a few years ago since they have almost no hope of taking that market back.

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February 1, 2013 4:02:51 PM

maybe, who knows, but i wish amd had a solid highend chip, oh i miss the amd days.

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February 1, 2013 4:16:08 PM

What is the difference between a i5-3350P from the i5-2310? They are both priced very close, but the bench mark data shows a decent difference. Is it just the intergrated video that drives up the price on the 2310? Other than that, they look very similar other than the speed.
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February 1, 2013 4:22:18 PM

3350P is a newer generation (3rd gen i5 or Ivy bridge). 2310 is 2nd gen i5 (or Sandy Bridge).

Also, the "P" indicates there is no integrated video support, so you'd have to use a stand alone video card, which you are planning on anyway.

They will perform very similar, but the i5-3350P does have about a 8% speed advantage and will use about 15% less power.



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February 1, 2013 4:31:42 PM

yes, the p will have an advantage

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February 1, 2013 4:34:46 PM

Ok, I am thinking this for Phase II after looking at all your thoughts
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/AR9H
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/AR9H/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/AR9H/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3350P 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($48.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.00 @ Compuvest)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Microcenter)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $800.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-01 13:34 EST-0500)
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February 1, 2013 4:37:30 PM

Looks great. And you can still get about $80 for your 550 Ti on ebay, so that would pretty much get you back to budget. ($1000-$300 already spent)

I probably wouldn't worry about going higher than DDR3-1600, but that's a good price on the 2133, so why not?

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February 1, 2013 4:57:05 PM

are u gonna be overclocking or using sli, if not i can reduce the cost.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ARmz
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ARmz/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ARmz/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master DP6-9EDSA-0L-GP CPU Cooler ($8.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($43.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.00 @ Compuvest)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Microcenter)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $724.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-01 13:57 EST-0500)

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February 1, 2013 5:02:22 PM

That's only really cheaper if you live next door to a Microcenter. And that cooler is likely worse than the one that comes in the CPU box.
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February 1, 2013 5:03:35 PM

iceclock said:
are u gonna be overclocking or using sli, if not i can reduce the cost.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ARmz
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ARmz/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ARmz/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master DP6-9EDSA-0L-GP CPU Cooler ($8.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($43.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.00 @ Compuvest)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Microcenter)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $724.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-01 13:57 EST-0500)

Assuming he can go into a Micro Center store to get the "In Store Only" price that you have listed. I don't know if he's near a Micro Center store to get that price?
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February 1, 2013 5:21:45 PM

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ARzS
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ARzS/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ARzS/benchmarks/

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master DP6-9EDSA-0L-GP CPU Cooler ($8.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($43.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.00 @ Compuvest)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Microcenter)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Other: 3470 intel i5 ($199.00)
Total: $773.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-01 14:21 EST-0500)

fixed :) 

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February 1, 2013 6:24:05 PM

I think I am going to stick with my last build posted. I don't have the immediate requirement to use the crossfire capability, but that may change and I want the ability to just add a card rather than find another mobo. Thanks for all your help and comments.
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February 1, 2013 10:19:07 PM

sounds good :D 

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