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Anonymous
April 12, 2005 4:52:09 AM

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This certainly can shock a few of us!

Blade DTS for $192
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6383...

Past 3 years stats:

Min: $28.77
Avg: $63.14
Med: $55.48
Max: $114.29

Scream DTS for $256
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6383...

Min: $31.60
Avg: $54.63
Med: $45.46
Max: $99.99


If getting a complete collection is the motivation, so be it.
But if DTS is the main motivation, the Japanese $35 R2 DTS DVD is full
bitrate:

http://www.dvdtherapy.com/reviews/blade_dts.php
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=PCBH-50043

Go figure...

Julien

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Anonymous
April 13, 2005 9:24:02 PM

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On 12 Apr 2005 00:52:09 -0700, "Julien Wilk" <generikz@gmail.com>
wrote:

>This certainly can shock a few of us!
>
>Blade DTS for $192
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6383...
>
>Past 3 years stats:
>
>Min: $28.77
>Avg: $63.14
>Med: $55.48
>Max: $114.29
>
>Scream DTS for $256
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6383...
>
>Min: $31.60
>Avg: $54.63
>Med: $45.46
>Max: $99.99
>
>
>If getting a complete collection is the motivation, so be it.
>But if DTS is the main motivation, the Japanese $35 R2 DTS DVD is full
>bitrate:
>
>http://www.dvdtherapy.com/reviews/blade_dts.php
>http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=PCBH-50043
>
>Go figure...
>
>Julien


I have both of these dts LD's and have the Japanese DVD of Blade as
well. The sound on the Blade dts LD is much better. If I play the LD
on my HLD-X9 and the DVD on my Sony 7700, there is no competition, the
DVD pales in comparison. I use a upgraded Denon AVC-A1SE as my
surround amp. Not ony is the bass deeper, but the sound field is much
more enveloping. And before anyone says it, the difference I hear is
NOT becaus the LD sound is mastered at a higher level. I have checked
with a digital sound level meter with memory and they both reach the
same maximum SPL at the exact same places in the movie.

Arne
Anonymous
April 13, 2005 11:33:33 PM

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Arne Johannessen wrote:
> I have checked
> with a digital sound level meter with memory and they both reach the
> same maximum SPL at the exact same places in the movie.
>

Peak is peak, not dynamic range. Peak is far from the full story when it
comes to dynamic range. What is the RMS output. It could be that the
dynamic range is different. The DD could have 70dB of DR and the DTS
could have 40dB. That difference could be interpreted as "more enveloping".

Matthew

--
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You can't win
You can't break even
You can't get out of the game
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Anonymous
April 14, 2005 12:33:17 AM

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I have been mentioning this a long time, this debate started back with Men
in Black years ago and others.

People who had quality audio systems were finding less bass and less
dynamics with DVD. The DVD's with DTS soundtracks are better and I always
look for DTS on the DVD cases.

LD initially was not any better than a VHS tape. Then as home video took
off and digital sound was published as clearer and better (I have LD's where
the Analog sound is superior over the digital) the pressure finally started
and the THX group started up to improve audio and this process got everyone
in line. No more did we get a digitized version of the analog track, we
finally started getting remastered digital tracks. Then AC-3 and DTS. You
have to remember that LD was consider a niche group and the pressure for top
quality sound as in the theaters was pushed by Videophiles/Audiophiles. The
average consumer was not considered a LD owner as it didn't record.

Then DVD was pushed as a format for everyone. This means sound through TV
speakers, Sounddesign systems (If they are still around) to Bryston, Ayre
and other Audiophile systems. The low end cannot handle the dynamics so
just make it loud and limit the dynamics, just like top 40 CD's are
produced.

Now some DVD's have better sound than others but I have never heard a DVD
out perform a LD for Sound.

Kurtis

"Matthew L. Martin" <nothere@notnow.never> wrote in message
news:115rb2ar46s08c9@corp.supernews.com...
> Arne Johannessen wrote:
>> I have checked
>> with a digital sound level meter with memory and they both reach the
>> same maximum SPL at the exact same places in the movie.
>>
>
> Peak is peak, not dynamic range. Peak is far from the full story when it
> comes to dynamic range. What is the RMS output. It could be that the
> dynamic range is different. The DD could have 70dB of DR and the DTS could
> have 40dB. That difference could be interpreted as "more enveloping".
>
> Matthew
>
> --
> Thermodynamics and/or Golf for dummies: There is a game
> You can't win
> You can't break even
> You can't get out of the game
Anonymous
April 14, 2005 2:34:09 AM

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> I have both of these dts LD's and have the Japanese DVD of Blade as
> well. The sound on the Blade dts LD is much better. If I play the LD
> on my HLD-X9 and the DVD on my Sony 7700, there is no competition, the
> DVD pales in comparison. I use a upgraded Denon AVC-A1SE as my
> surround amp. Not ony is the bass deeper, but the sound field is much
> more enveloping. And before anyone says it, the difference I hear is
> NOT becaus the LD sound is mastered at a higher level. I have checked
> with a digital sound level meter with memory and they both reach the
> same maximum SPL at the exact same places in the movie.
>
> Arne

Isn't it nice to be reminded every once in a while why we still love and
keep those big shiny discs?


Troels
(proud owner of 109 DTS-ldtitles)
Anonymous
May 11, 2005 6:20:48 AM

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But the bottom line is "Scream" in any version worth over $200?? Damn you'd
have to pay me $200 to make me sit through that "formage" of a
movie......damn the uncut version...even more barf bags please.....yikes.

These are the same dudes paying ridiculous amounts for DTS versions of
"Flubber" and the Signature Collection version of "The Frightners".
These movies simply "stink". Wish I had cases of these DTS lasers in my
garage so I could get 8 freakin Bryston monoblocks in my rack after all my
sales on ebay!
Anonymous
May 11, 2005 3:04:45 PM

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redline1 wrote:
> These are the same dudes paying ridiculous amounts for DTS versions
> of "Flubber" and the Signature Collection version of "The
> Frightners". These movies simply "stink".

The Frighteners Director's Cut does not "stink," IMHO. I find it quite
enjoyable after multiple viewings.

-Junior
Anonymous
May 11, 2005 3:14:41 PM

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redline1 wrote:
> But the bottom line is "Scream" in any version worth over $200?? Damn
you'd
> have to pay me $200 to make me sit through that "formage" of a
> movie......damn the uncut version...even more barf bags
please.....yikes.
>
> These are the same dudes paying ridiculous amounts for DTS versions
of
> "Flubber" and the Signature Collection version of "The Frightners".
> These movies simply "stink". Wish I had cases of these DTS lasers in
my
> garage so I could get 8 freakin Bryston monoblocks in my rack after
all my
> sales on ebay!

I've been monitoring ebay DTS LD releases for some time. Another blade
& screen DTS LS are up for auction as well.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=...

Will see how much that ends for I suppose many of these people who pay
outlandish prices for the LDs simply don't know to look around at
thrift stores, garage sales, and pawn shops to get LDs for cheap.
Perhaps they do not live in close proximity to these types of
venues/stores. Albeit, I too get LDs from ebay, but I'm not going to
pay ridiculous prices for them. I just picked up the Star Wars Trilogy
Widescreen Face version LDs, CAV boxset of the Lion King, and DTS
Nightmare Before Christmas all for a grand total of $6.00 at a garage
sale.
Anonymous
May 12, 2005 1:50:14 AM

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"rhiohki" <rhiohki@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1115835281.869770.75600@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I just picked up the Star Wars Trilogy
> Widescreen Face version LDs, CAV boxset of the Lion King, and DTS
> Nightmare Before Christmas all for a grand total of $6.00 at a garage
> sale.
>

NICE!


Troels
Anonymous
May 12, 2005 3:21:03 AM

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Those are nice buys. What's wrong with the anamorphic DVD versions of ANY
DTS Laser? I'll take a nice anamorphic transfer over any 4:3 LTBX DTS
laser, sans higher sound resolution.
I think alot of these buyers simply have to justify their purchase no
matter if the movie is good or bad.
As long as it's in DTS or rare, they feel the need to own it. Even though
the the movies are "dogs" from the get go.
Anonymous
May 12, 2005 3:36:31 AM

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Your titled to your opnion and so am I. The director had no clue which way
the movie was going. Was it supposed to be scary, a comedy, or a little
romance? I guess I shared the same opinion as the majority because the
movie bombed at the box office.
I guess Michael J. Fox felt he owed Robert Zemekis a favor for all those
BTTF films...wasn't Zemekis the producer?
I fondly remember the transfer of the laser, I beleive the Signature
Collection version is the exact same transfer as the regular LTBX one,
just loaded with extras.
Anyway I had the LD in my CLD-97 at the time feeding a iScan Pro line
doubler, could not get a nice picture no matter how much I tweaked the
doubler. In any case, the terrible picture suited the overall jist of the
movie....le formage!
Anonymous
May 12, 2005 12:24:40 PM

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Thanks to correct this "cheesy" deformation of French ^_^;

Rgds,
Julien
Anonymous
May 12, 2005 12:55:38 PM

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Joshua Zyber wrote:
> The word is "fromage".

redline1 wrote:
> Your titled to your opnion and so am I.

Not to mention that I'm ENTITLED to my opinion, as well. :-)

-Junior
Anonymous
May 12, 2005 3:14:24 PM

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"redline1" <retel1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5fa21ba70393581e84f2bc4920404a47@localhost.talkaboutvideo.com...
> In any case, the terrible picture suited the overall jist of the
> movie....le formage!

The word is "fromage".
Anonymous
May 13, 2005 6:00:06 PM

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On 11 May 2005 11:14:41 -0700, "rhiohki" <rhiohki@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>redline1 wrote:
>> But the bottom line is "Scream" in any version worth over $200?? Damn
>you'd
>> have to pay me $200 to make me sit through that "formage" of a
>> movie......damn the uncut version...even more barf bags
>please.....yikes.
>>
>> These are the same dudes paying ridiculous amounts for DTS versions
>of
>> "Flubber" and the Signature Collection version of "The Frightners".
>> These movies simply "stink". Wish I had cases of these DTS lasers in
>my
>> garage so I could get 8 freakin Bryston monoblocks in my rack after
>all my
>> sales on ebay!
>
>I've been monitoring ebay DTS LD releases for some time. Another blade
>& screen DTS LS are up for auction as well.
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=...
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=...
>
>Will see how much that ends for I suppose many of these people who pay
>outlandish prices for the LDs simply don't know to look around at
>thrift stores, garage sales, and pawn shops to get LDs for cheap.
>Perhaps they do not live in close proximity to these types of
>venues/stores. Albeit, I too get LDs from ebay, but I'm not going to
>pay ridiculous prices for them. I just picked up the Star Wars Trilogy
>Widescreen Face version LDs, CAV boxset of the Lion King, and DTS
>Nightmare Before Christmas all for a grand total of $6.00 at a garage
>sale.


you are only saying that because you just got that stuff for $6...not
everyone lives in areas where laserdiscs floursihed back in the day,
and not everyone lives in areas where people are discarding laserdiscs
that sell for $100+ on eBay for $1 each.

since you seem to think that they are paying so much, how about you
put one of those up for buy it now 10$?

i didn't think so.
Anonymous
May 14, 2005 12:09:35 AM

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You must have not read my entire post. I did mention that maybe those
people paying these prices weren't close to areas were pawn shops,
thrift stores, and garage sales thrived. I am a collector of a lot of
things not only laserdiscs. I'm an avid collector of vintage PC games
and console games, magazines, and comics. The best part of collecting
is "THE HUNT" meaning finding that hard to find item or that one piece
you've been looking for at a great price. Ebay is NOT the be-all,
end-all of the laserdisc market. Sure, there are discs that I have to
use Ebay for, but I'm definitely not going to buy all my discs off of
ebay. And I'm definitely not going to put a high-proxy bid or get into
a bid war on a disc that I'm pretty sure will surface again. I have
nothing against ebay, in fact, I have plenty of ebay feedback as both a
buyer and a seller. I am just curious as to why people will get into
bid wars for a disc that most likely will be up again sometime in the
near future. But to each his own I guess.


xixo wrote:
> you are only saying that because you just got that stuff for $6...not
> everyone lives in areas where laserdiscs floursihed back in the day,
> and not everyone lives in areas where people are discarding
laserdiscs
> that sell for $100+ on eBay for $1 each.
>
> since you seem to think that they are paying so much, how about you
> put one of those up for buy it now 10$?
>
> i didn't think so.
Anonymous
May 14, 2005 10:08:15 AM

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xixo wrote:
> since you seem to think that they are paying so much, how about you
> put one of those up for buy it now 10$?

And what EXACTLY would that prove?

-Junior
!