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February 3, 2013 5:39:03 PM

I'm not sure which one to choose.

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Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ Outlet PC)
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CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($133.79 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.99 @ Newegg)
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Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VH232H 23.0" Monitor ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($16.89 @ Amazon)
Total: $815.59
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The intel one is cheaper and allows me to upgrade to an i5 later, but the FX allows me to overclock.
If I upgrade to an i5-3570k later, would the MSI motherboard allow me to overclock?

Edit: This is for decent gaming purpose.

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February 3, 2013 6:31:06 PM

these cpu+gpu combinations are just fine, in intel build upgrade wouldn't make much difference (for most games, not all though)
As i see it, upgrading to i5 would make sense if you owned at least(!) 7870 and up to 7970

and yes, z77 mobo will allow overclocking
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February 3, 2013 6:33:07 PM

spend the extra 60 bucks and get an intel quadcore, it will last you a lot longer
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February 3, 2013 6:37:46 PM

neon neophyte said:
spend the extra 60 bucks and get an intel quadcore, it will last you a lot longer


Completely agree here, and it's easily doable on $800 plus you can get a better GPU on top of that:

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February 3, 2013 6:38:16 PM

What's your budget, because if you can add more, and Intel quad core i5, such as the i5 3570K, and upgrade the GPU to a GTX 660ti or Radeon HD 7870GHz Edition. The GTX 660ti would be a better option as your resolution is 1920x1080.
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February 3, 2013 6:41:58 PM

locomoco321 said:
What's your budget, because if you can add more, and Intel quad core i5, such as the i5 3570K, and upgrade the GPU to a GTX 660ti or Radeon HD 7870GHz Edition. The GTX 660ti would be a better option as your resolution is 1920x1080.


Most cases a 3570K isn't really obtainable on a strict budget - you have to sacrifice somewhere and overclocking is a luxury that if you don't have it isn't really essential to a solid performing machine. But you can always upgrade later.
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February 3, 2013 6:43:26 PM

if looking at 'today'

take the AMD system, throw in a 20-30$ cooler and crank the damn cpu to 4.5Ghz and dont worry about i5, just use system till you are done with it, if you do this, chances are that there will be a much better system/opportunity available when you decide to upgrade. and with i3 what are you doing? spending 120+ dollars to be replaced?

Overclock.
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February 3, 2013 6:52:50 PM

g-unit1111 said:
Most cases a 3570K isn't really obtainable on a strict budget - you have to sacrifice somewhere and overclocking is a luxury that if you don't have it isn't really essential to a solid performing machine. But you can always upgrade later.

Agreed, but if this person wishes to upgrade later anyway, and he has some extra money in his budget, why not buy it now? I mean, it would save money in the long run versus buying 2 CPUs. For that reason I asked around what the budget was, in order to see how much can be spent, and where. But I do understand where you are coming from, and in that case, this person could go with a cheaper dual core i3, or even Ivy Bridge Pentium to get through until the money is available for the upgrade.
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February 3, 2013 7:22:23 PM

I want to try to keep the budget below 800, I know the AMD is a bit over but it seems worth the extra bit of money. With my budget, it's really hard to get an i5 and a monitor in there. I also heard that overclocking with the FX-6300 is beast. I would get the Cooler Master 212 EVO later on so I could overclock it to about 4.5 if I do buy the AMD one.
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February 3, 2013 7:48:09 PM

realchaos said:
I want to try to keep the budget below 800, I know the AMD is a bit over but it seems worth the extra bit of money. With my budget, it's really hard to get an i5 and a monitor in there. I also heard that overclocking with the FX-6300 is beast. I would get the Cooler Master 212 EVO later on so I could overclock it to about 4.5 if I do buy the AMD one.

I would go with the AMD build, but if you can, squeeze in a Radeon HD 7870GHz Edition card. It's about $50 USD more, but it's worth it. Check this out: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=548 plus, it overclocks like a beast. If not, go with the GTX 660ti, but that's more expensive, and might be breaking the bank.
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February 3, 2013 7:54:43 PM

maximum budget?
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February 3, 2013 7:57:35 PM

I already looked over the 7870 but I decided it was too much for me. The 7850 would do just for me.
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February 3, 2013 8:01:16 PM

Maximum budget would be really close to the 800 mark
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February 3, 2013 8:06:54 PM

do u need os?

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February 3, 2013 8:10:07 PM

Those two builds will game quite similarly , but the AMD will be marginally ahead , unless the game engine is old and cant multithread .
The AMD will destroy the intel in encoding and productivity applications

Intels socket 1155 dies in a few months , AMD's socket AM3+ will be current for at least one more whole generation of processors

Yu can easily save the price difference by
1/ using the cheaper sniper RAM in the AMD build
2/ changing the motherboard to the Asrock 970 extreme3 which has the same features and same chipset

The Corsair 200R case can save you $15 too

Id probably make those changes but spend some of the saving on the Xigmatek GAIA cpu cooler [ $20 newegg ] which is every bit as good as the hyper 212 and would let you OC the AMD and get much better gaming than the intel
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February 3, 2013 8:15:22 PM

The AMD system is better than the intel one from your hypothetical build.
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February 3, 2013 8:18:48 PM

i do think the amd build is better. i think it is way too late in the game to be building dual core systems.

i also think the user should just save up 60 more dollars and get an intel quadcore.
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February 3, 2013 8:21:41 PM

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Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 520W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Zalman MZ230ED 23.0" Monitor ($122.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($16.89 @ Amazon)
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February 3, 2013 8:22:18 PM

also to note the 1155 is nowhere near dead. thats a false statement.

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February 3, 2013 8:32:52 PM

iceclock said:
also to note the 1155 is nowhere near dead. thats a false statement.


When Haswell is released in a few months there are no more socket 1155 processors . Production will probably have ceased by then too , and only existing stock will remain .

It is absolutely true to say that socket 1155 dies in a few months
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February 3, 2013 8:39:48 PM

thats sad. am3 existed for a few years. talt 1155 would exist for aleast another year or so.

guess im wrong.

doh.

and me wanting to get a 1155 soon.

got a link to that official statement of intel stopping production?

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February 3, 2013 8:47:41 PM

Tick Tock

Every year Intel change socket or manufacturing process . So you either get a new architecture or a new process .
1155 is still with us now only because intel is behind schedule ... probably thanks to the slow down in cpu sales

Haswell is socket 1150

Google will find your answer for you
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February 3, 2013 8:59:57 PM

well technically its been 2 years, i find it stupid to change socket so often, whynot just use same architecture but bring out new revisions of the socket.

yes google is ur friend i agree. but just hard to beleive now im gonna have to buy haswell or x79 :( 

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February 3, 2013 9:03:52 PM

Outlander_04 said:
Tick Tock

Every year Intel change socket or manufacturing process . So you either get a new architecture or a new process .
1155 is still with us now only because intel is behind schedule ... probably thanks to the slow down in cpu sales

Haswell is socket 1150

Google will find your answer for you

+1 Yeah, Intel is switching to mostly BGA (CPU soldered on the motherboard) for OEM products, and LGA1150 for enthusiasts. This will limit the CPU's so most likely an i5 3570(K), and i7 3770(K), an i3 4XXX, and a low power CPU for LGA. Sandy Bridge stopped production and is going out of stock. Only the i5 2500(K) and the i7 2600(K) CPUs remained in production for about 2 months after Ivy Bridge was released. No doubt this will happen again for Haswell.
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February 3, 2013 9:09:24 PM

im sad this is happening.

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February 3, 2013 9:25:21 PM

The desktop 1150's wont be soldered . That story is not correct

But may of the haswell cpu's will be for mobile devices like tablets and ultrabooks so they will be BGA and soldered in


Chances are intel will still use the exact same physical socket as 1155 and 1156 for 1150 .
The pin assignments will be changed though so there is no backward compatibility . Thats what they did when they went from 1156 to 1155

If I was cynical I'd say intel just wanted to sell a motherboard chipset every time they sell a processor
But the answer is actually that a new family of processors in an existing socket would need a BIOS update , and intel dont think their clients are smart enough to do that
So they sting them for the new chipset too and call it a win win ... with intel getting both wins
:-)
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February 3, 2013 9:28:06 PM

so basically its about making money and not being green and earth friendly. how fun.

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February 3, 2013 9:36:38 PM

The reason they're changing sockets every 'tock' is because they integrate another part of circuitry into the CPU. With Sandy Bridge it was GPU, with Haswell it's VRM and with Skylake it's going to be PCH aka Southbridge (I'm not 100% sure on the last one, just remember reading somewhere about it).
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February 3, 2013 9:38:25 PM

ya they could do it and for less money, instead of changing stuff.

i think they like forcing people to spend money

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February 3, 2013 9:42:19 PM

If you check the history of intels business practices you may be shocked .

In brief
Intel built compilers [computers that convert human written programs into code computers run ] were set to compile so that if they found an AMD processor in the client computer they ran the code as SLOWLY as possible .
Result: eventual legal problems for intel but only after much damage to AMD from benchmarks that showed their processors didnt work as well

Intel paying cash kick backs to oem computer manufacturers to keep using intel processors . They could have just discounted the sale price to reflect faur value , but by getting a kickback they kept processor prices high in retail channels and ripped off all the system builders with an inferior product .
Result: legal action in Europe and the US resulting in billions in fines , and a cash settlement to AMD of more than $1 Billion + licensing variations for X86 processors

Intels superiority is largely built on business practices that have not withstood legal scrutiny ... but did enough economic damage to AMD that intel have come to dominate the market
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February 3, 2013 9:44:55 PM

Soda-88 said:
The reason they're changing sockets every 'tock' is because they integrate another part of circuitry into the CPU. With Sandy Bridge it was GPU, with Haswell it's VRM and with Skylake it's going to be PCH aka Southbridge (I'm not 100% sure on the last one, just remember reading somewhere about it).


Yes there is some merit to that argument .
But you have some details incorrect . Socket 1156 included processor graphics on many of the cpu's and no change was required to move to 1155.

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February 3, 2013 9:46:30 PM

bah im not impressed, and if amd doesnt come out with steamroller soon, im sticking again with intel.

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February 3, 2013 9:47:42 PM

iceclock said:
ya they could do it and for less money, instead of changing stuff.

i think they like forcing people to spend money

No they couldn't. I have a 1st gen i5 based on Nehalem (Lynnfield) architecture which works in conjunction with P55 chipset. If I somehow forced Sandy Bridge onto my motherboard, my P55 chipset wouldn't have the circuitry required for utilizing the IGP on the new CPU. It's that simple.

All AMD ever does is CPU core restructuring which doesn't require additional chipset logic because the CPUs, through their revisions, stay essentially the same piece of hardware (CPU and memory controller).
Intel is integrating additional component into their CPUs every odd revision, hence the need for a new chipset that can communicate with it. New sockets are being introduced merely for the sake of consumers not wasting time and money on incompatible motherboards.
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February 3, 2013 10:00:34 PM

Soda-88 said:
No they couldn't. I have a 1st gen i5 based on Nehalem (Lynnfield) architecture which works in conjunction with P55 chipset. If I somehow forced Sandy Bridge onto my motherboard, my P55 chipset wouldn't have the circuitry required for utilizing the IGP on the new CPU. It's that simple.

All AMD ever does is CPU core restructuring which doesn't require additional chipset logic because the CPUs, through their revisions, stay essentially the same piece of hardware (CPU and memory controller).
Intel is integrating additional component into their CPUs every odd revision, hence the need for a new chipset that can communicate with it. New sockets are being introduced merely for the sake of consumers not wasting time and money on incompatible motherboards.

Oh that makes so much sense now! I always wondered why there was a jump from LGA1156 to LGA1155. But form what I've been reading, BGA is expected to take over the OEM market for Haswell, example, pre-built Dell computers, and LGA will remain for enthusiasts, or DIY.
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February 3, 2013 10:01:46 PM

interesting

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February 3, 2013 10:19:57 PM

locomoco321 said:
Agreed, but if this person wishes to upgrade later anyway, and he has some extra money in his budget, why not buy it now? I mean, it would save money in the long run versus buying 2 CPUs. For that reason I asked around what the budget was, in order to see how much can be spent, and where. But I do understand where you are coming from, and in that case, this person could go with a cheaper dual core i3, or even Ivy Bridge Pentium to get through until the money is available for the upgrade.


I wouldn't go as far as getting a dual core but the i5 I linked to is a pretty capable CPU from the reviews I've been reading. I use an i5-3450 on my work PC and it works great without overclocking. Personally if you ask me I'd rather put more in the GPU than in the CPU.
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February 3, 2013 10:22:41 PM

+1 like i said more gpu than cpu. i3 works fine in gam1ng

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February 3, 2013 10:36:34 PM

I could save money by getting an ASrock 970 extreme3 mobo, but I still don't know if it supports Vishera without needing a bios update. The main reason I choose the asus one is because I can do a usb flash bios if i need a bios update. Anyone know what bios version the asrock 970 extreme3 comes with?
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February 3, 2013 10:38:01 PM

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CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.96 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($43.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($194.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 520W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Zalman MZ230ED 23.0" Monitor ($122.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($16.89 @ Amazon)
Total: $787.53
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will do good for u.

without a bios update
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February 3, 2013 10:49:59 PM

Thanks iceclock! I took your build but kept with the asus monitor since I really like asus products.
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February 3, 2013 10:50:01 PM

Best answer selected by RealChaos.
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February 3, 2013 11:23:40 PM

shur no problem. if u need more help hit me up

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