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Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition (1GB) OR GeForce GTX 650 (2GB)?

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December 22, 2012 4:07:50 PM

Hello all! I am currently contemplating on whether I should get this:

MSI Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition (1GB) ($124.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or

EVGA GeForce GTX 650 (2GB) ($134.99)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I will also be upgrading my power supply so any suggestions are great (I currently run on a 250 watt PSU).

My specs:

Model: a4327c

Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 240 Processor 2.80 GHz

RAM: 4.00 GB (3.75 GB Usable)

64 - bit Operating System

Open Slot of PCI Express X16

Current Graphic Card: NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430

Power Supply: 250 watt

My budget is $300.00.
December 22, 2012 4:24:47 PM

Your cpu would be a major bottleneck I would recommend you upgrade cpu/mobo/ram also
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December 22, 2012 4:26:23 PM

Pgooch said:
Your cpu would be a major bottleneck I would recommend you upgrade cpu/mobo/ram also


CPU as in my processor? Well, are there any that are affordable (under 100) that are good?

EDIT: I just found this. Will this help? :) 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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a b U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 4:38:02 PM

egnhan98 said:
CPU as in my processor? Well, are there any that are affordable (under 100) that are good?

EDIT: I just found this. Will this help? :) 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


That will work just as fine. And for the graphics card, go with the one that plays your game the best.
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December 22, 2012 4:40:25 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Pentium G860 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($63.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H61M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($65.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill NS 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($21.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($117.55 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($25.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $295.51
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-22 13:38 EST-0500)


If your budget is 300 and you can use your old Hard drive and DVD drive, Go for this, would be alot better in performance
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December 22, 2012 4:42:14 PM

Also your not going to be able to use that Processor with your current motherboard, Which i believe is an old compaq?
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December 22, 2012 4:42:50 PM

Pgooch said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Pentium G860 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($63.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H61M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($65.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill NS 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($21.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($117.55 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($25.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $295.51
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-22 13:38 EST-0500)


If your budget is 300 and you can use your old Hard drive and DVD drive, Go for this, would be alot better in performance


I see... hmm. Also, the game I look forward to playing is Guild Wars 2. That is why I'm getting these upgrades.
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December 22, 2012 4:46:16 PM

I never played it myself but i think i read somewhere that it is pretty CPU dependent, So even if all you did was upgrade your graphics card you still wouldn't see the performance results you are wanting.
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December 22, 2012 4:46:44 PM

Pgooch said:
Also your not going to be able to use that Processor with your current motherboard, Which i believe is an old compaq?


Sorry* I'm a newbie at computer stuff. What's my mother board and why do I need a new one again?
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December 22, 2012 4:51:48 PM

Your motherboard is for a pre built and they lock them down to not accept many CPU, and that would be your bottleneck and to replace that you will need a new motherboard.
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December 22, 2012 4:55:00 PM

Pgooch said:
Your motherboard is for a pre built and they lock them down to not accept many CPU, and that would be your bottleneck and to replace that you will need a new motherboard.


Okay. And I don't want too many upgrades, so would I be good with my Radeon HD 7770 Ghz edition with:

A mobo / processor upgrade?
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December 22, 2012 5:00:36 PM

You would need to buy what i listed up there assuming your hard drive and DVD drive are sata.. Is there a wide flat cable hooking into them or small red one usually ?
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December 22, 2012 5:02:29 PM

If not you would need to stretch the budget another $75 if possible.
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December 22, 2012 5:10:13 PM

Pgooch said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Pentium G860 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($63.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H61M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($65.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill NS 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($21.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($117.55 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($25.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $295.51
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-22 13:38 EST-0500)


If your budget is 300 and you can use your old Hard drive and DVD drive, Go for this, would be alot better in performance


Good sir, I'm going to go with this build and i'd like your opinion.
UPGRADES:
1. CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
2. Motherboard - http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-H61M&c=CJ
3. Memory ( I already have a 4GB so I don't think I will need this. )
4. Video Card - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
5. Power Supply - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total: 100 + 70 + 130 + 70 = 370.
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December 22, 2012 5:18:37 PM

You will have to have an AMD motherboard instead on intel if you went that route don't know much about AMd but i would recommend this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You would also have to check the sticker on your memory and see if its ddr3 if its ddr2 which i believe it is you will need to upgrade that also.
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December 22, 2012 5:19:02 PM

You don't have to upgrade your cpu, a 7770 and an athlon would work fine.
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December 22, 2012 5:20:05 PM

samuelohagan said:
You don't have to upgrade your cpu, a 7770 and an athlon would work fine.


But what about the bottleneck .. :( 
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a c 79 U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 5:21:07 PM

some of those parts arent even compatible,

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tELT

alot better:

CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual-Core Processor ($112.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock B75 PRO3-M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($107.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.90 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($42.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $384.85
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-22 14:20 EST-0500)

and are all compatible :) 

his cpu isnt very good, it will def bottleneck any decent card -_-
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December 22, 2012 5:21:09 PM

Pgooch said:
You will have to have an AMD motherboard instead on intel if you went that route don't know much about AMd but i would recommend this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You would also have to check the sticker on your memory and see if its ddr3 if its ddr2 which i believe it is you will need to upgrade that also.

Wait - why do I have to upgrade my motherboard too?
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December 22, 2012 5:21:59 PM

I would go with the intel i suggested though About the same performance in games and a better upgrade path later down the road so you wouldn't have to buy all these parts again...
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a c 79 U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 5:22:19 PM

my part choice is very within ur budget and alot better, go with my build, my processor is faster and the parts i chose are of better quality :) 

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December 22, 2012 5:23:34 PM

iceclock said:
some of those parts arent even compatible,

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tELT

alot better:

CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual-Core Processor ($112.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock B75 PRO3-M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($107.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.90 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($42.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $384.85
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-22 14:20 EST-0500)

and are all compatible :) 

his cpu isnt very good, it will def bottleneck any decent card -_-



My parts are compatible also and would give very similar performance. His budget is $300 and your $84 over and since when did the 2100 give noticeable performance gain over the g860 in games? Sure in other apps it would but he probably doesnt do any photo/ video editing. Mine is cheaper and you can upgrade to an i5 later down the road. Yours is better but mine is within budget and give similar performance
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a c 79 U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 5:25:29 PM

nope, i3 kills amd dude, even the higher end fx series is slower than a intel i3.

u have to overclock the fx series to even see a remote performance increase to be close to the i3s stock performance.

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December 22, 2012 5:29:31 PM

Read up i suggested a g860, OP said something about AMD i gave him that option too but told intel was better.
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a c 79 U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 5:29:45 PM

the i3 is faster in gaming, whats ur needs gaming or alot of multitasking?

if you really want amd heres a amd build, but i suggest against it if u wanna do mainly gaming:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tERO
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tERO/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tERO/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-4170 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($119.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($107.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.90 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($42.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $381.84
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-22 14:32 EST-0500)

but like i said intel is superior for gaming.

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December 22, 2012 5:30:32 PM

Cores and Clocks doesnt mean much Intels architecture is a lot better
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December 22, 2012 5:36:26 PM

Also the i3-2100 will get you maybe 1-5 fps in games over the g860 not worth the $50 if on a tight budget. Although it is better in non gaming applications and multi threaded applications
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a c 79 U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 5:38:45 PM

dude u do realise the i32100 will tromp the g860 and get alot more than 5 fps,

in games,

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December 22, 2012 5:42:07 PM

I'd like to see benchmarks proving that, I looked at anandtech compared the two went to bottom look at games. thats where i got mine at one game was 9 fps higher while other were the same or 1-3 fps higher
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December 22, 2012 5:43:20 PM

Also i compared the g850 with it figured be about the same so the g860 should be slightly better
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a c 79 U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 5:44:02 PM

well its still more dude, and its got more cache and runs better than the 860, 860 is designed for htpcs, officework not gaming or mainstream apps.

sorry but id never recommand such a cheap, id even recommand amd a8s before that thing.

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December 22, 2012 6:01:28 PM

Your wrong... Price to performance the g860 is just as good if your gaming is your most concern. All your doing is confusing the OP, Your build is $85 bucks over budget and wouldnt get more than 5 fps over my build thats the bottom line.
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a c 79 U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 6:03:09 PM

he cannot use the same case nor would i recommand it,

my suggestion is quite good, if he cannot afford it better to saveup 80$ more than to get less good components.

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December 22, 2012 6:06:43 PM

Where was those benchmarks showing the i3-2100 being so much better than the g860 in GAMES ? The OP stopped posting a while ago..
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a c 79 U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 6:09:39 PM

they are like atleast 4-6 fps more in games, its not huge that can make the difference between 55 and 60fps, where 60 been smooth gameplay. every bit makes a difference.

im done here.

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a c 79 U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 6:13:18 PM

the lowest id recommand as a build is this:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/p/tF9e
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/p/tF9e/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/p/tF9e/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD A8-5600K 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor (£75.54 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A75 Pro4 ATX FM2 Motherboard (£59.49 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£15.50 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card (£99.95 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: Xigmatek Asgard II Black ATX Mid Tower Case (£28.15 @ Novatech)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£36.98 @ Novatech)
Total: £315.61
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-22 20:12 GMT+0000)

15$ overbudget but worth every penny ;) 

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December 22, 2012 6:30:41 PM

My build would definitely kill that one.. Why would you recommend an apu with a dedicates card? but he probably does need a case got me there.
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a c 79 U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 10:28:18 PM

nah, thats a great cpu overclock to over 4.5 gigahertz, and kill that intel budget chip.

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December 23, 2012 12:07:54 AM

This guy is feeding you a bunch of stuff but doesn't show Prof of anything this build is very similar to the once I suggested but the graphics card I suggested is faster. http://www.game-debate.com/gaming-pc/index.php?r_id=145...


It pulls 57 average frames per second at 720p in guild wars 2 there you go OP some proof for you ..
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a b U Graphics card
December 23, 2012 12:27:31 AM

If you swap motherboards, your OS may cease to function(win 7 home premium 64 bit OEM that came installed on the PC).

Not many options for cpu upgrade(ebay, maybe). Don't know if your mobo supports overclocking(doubt it). There may be utilities that allow you to adjust ram timings and base clock in the OS(instead of in the bios). Your chip is 2.8ghz at 65w and should have some decent headroom(but you may need better cooling, which may or may not fit in your chassis). You could research overclocking options to see if a free program is available. You might consider a replacement case and better cooler if you find you can overclock. Your mobo is limited to 95w am2+ processors(weird how the support page lists your athlon II x2 240 as an am3 cpu, as does wikipedia. interesting). You won't get extra cores overclocking(those are separate chips with more L3 cache than a x3 or x4 and use a completely different die with only 2 cores), but you may be able to substantially increase your cpu clock. FYI, your chip uses a 45nm process. That is a plus as far as overclocking is concerned(versus the previous 65nm chips).

If you read that other thread, you know that a 970BE and hd7870 can run higher visual settings, but a i5 3570K and hd7770 make for less lag/stuttering. Not sure if that has more to do with clock speed/architecture or if having 4 cores really helps in gw2 versus only 2(970BE and 3570k are both quads).
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a c 79 U Graphics card
December 23, 2012 12:43:56 AM

he only has 300$ thats why i suggested the i3 or the amd and overclock it well :) 

he has a very limited budget
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a b U Graphics card
December 23, 2012 3:20:44 AM

I know. only 300 for everything(cpu,mobo,gpu,ram?,OS?). That's why I suggested free overclocking software(if applicable) a decent atx midtower(cooler master haf 912 or antec three hundred two because they are both great cases for the money and wider to allow for a decent tower style heat sink/fan such as a cooler master hyper 212) and a better cooler. Case and cooler would be less than 100, leaving 200 for a gpu(have seen haf 912 for around 50, 212 plus for around 20, hd7850 2GB for around 175).
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a c 79 U Graphics card
December 23, 2012 3:29:29 AM

yeah theres not much he cant do with 300$,

thats why my recommandations are fair within his budget

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a b U Graphics card
December 23, 2012 5:19:17 AM

I just read a newegg review of hyper 612(30 bucks) that is 7c cooler than hyper 212(rivaling the intel liquid cooler). Get that over a 212.

Oops. forgot about that 250w psu. Here is a list of parts if you can figure out how to overclock you cpu:

haf 912 at ncix for 51.52 and free shipping at ncix: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55583&vpn=RC-912-KKN1&...

hyper 612 for 29.99 after a MIR of 15 and free shipping at newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2GB xfx hd7850 for 169.99 after a MIR of 20 and free shipping at ncix: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=77602&vpn=FX-785A-CNL4...

xfx 550w 39.99 after a MIR of 10 at ncix: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=59615&vpn=P1550SXXB9&m...

Orders of 50 dollars or more(49.99 doesn't count) at ncix ship free. Alone, the psu costs money to ship. Not so with gpu and case.

The total is more than 300 before rebates and under 300 after.
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a b U Graphics card
December 23, 2012 5:19:45 AM

i believe he has no reason to upgrade his cpu at all. i really dont think an athlon 2 x2 would bottleneck a 7770 to any considerable degree. so i suggest the OP to not worry about getting a new cpu and motherboard coz honestly its not necessary and just get the 7770 ghz edition .
you could always upgrade your cpu and mobo maybe 2 years down the road when it becomes really outdated and cant handle anymore new games. but for now your cpu is still decent enough to handle a 7770.
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a c 79 U Graphics card
December 23, 2012 5:23:20 AM

yes except that cpu will really be choppy in modern games, its not very efficient.

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a b U Graphics card
December 23, 2012 6:27:50 AM

I think we've established gw2 is hard on the cpu. What I'm wondering is whether it really needs a quad core, or if a faster dual core will suffice(might be possible with some overclocking).
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a c 79 U Graphics card
December 23, 2012 2:12:51 PM

well his motherboard supports the following upgrades:

AMD Phenom II Quad-Core
AMD Phenom II Triple-Core
AMD Phenom Quad-Core (A) 9xxx series (AM2+)
AMD Phenom Triple-Core (T) 8xxx series (AM2+)
AMD Athlon X4
AMD Athlon X3
AMD Athlon X2 (B) (AM2+)

most of those arent that easy to find, mostly ebay so yeah.

i think for his budget the amd i recommand is good, and overclocks hella high.

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