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December 22, 2012 6:46:23 PM

hi guys im building a budget system i just dont know what gpu to go with.
Zotac GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB, or
Sapphire AMD Radeon HD 7770 1GB
Thanks

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a b U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 7:33:59 PM

Can you please post your specs so may be I can help you with the best one to pick up?
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December 22, 2012 7:37:37 PM

Commandermadi said:
Can you please post your specs so may be I can help you with the best one to pick up?

mobo: asrock 970 extreme 3
cpu: amd fx 8120 3.1GHz
Ram: 4 x 4GB Kingston ram at 1600
thanks
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December 22, 2012 7:38:55 PM

also im running a 450w psu
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a b U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 7:39:00 PM

How much are you willing "at maximum" to pay for your GPU? below 200? 200? 300? 400? or more?
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December 22, 2012 7:41:00 PM

Commandermadi said:
How much are you willing "at maximum" to pay for your GPU? below 200? 200? 300? 400? or more?

max $180
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a b U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 7:43:08 PM

GTX560 Ti is massively more powerful than the 7770. Make sure also you don't confuse it with the GTX650 Ti, which is a lot less powerful (though still better than the 7770).
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a b U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 7:45:40 PM

If 180 is your maximum, then you can't buy the GTX 560ti 1GB as its above that. However, you can go with the 7770 but its much worse than the GTX 560ti. If you want something that performs in between, go for the GTX 650ti then :) 
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a b U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 7:47:40 PM

sam_p_lay said:
GTX560 Ti is massively more powerful than the 7770. Make sure also you don't confuse it with the GTX650 Ti, which is a lot less powerful (though still better than the 7770).


lol here we go again mate, GMTA :) 
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a b U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 7:48:29 PM

Commandermadi said:
If 180 is your maximum, then you can't buy the GTX 560ti 1GB as its above that. However, you can go with the 7770 but its much worse than the GTX 560ti. If you want something that performs in between, go for the GTX 650ti then :) 


OP lists the GTX560 Ti in his original post, so I guess he's found one at that price?
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a b U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 7:49:20 PM

Commandermadi said:
lol here we go again mate, GMTA :) 


I just learnt the meaning of GMTA :-D
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December 22, 2012 7:49:30 PM

sam_p_lay said:
GTX560 Ti is massively more powerful than the 7770. Make sure also you don't confuse it with the GTX650 Ti, which is a lot less powerful (though still better than the 7770).

i think i should go for the 560 ti. does zotac make quality gpus though?
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a b U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 7:51:15 PM

LazyBonez23 said:
i think i should go for the 560 ti. does zotac make quality gpus though?


The GPU is always made by nVidia, Zotac just manufacture the board and the other components. I wasn't sure about them when they first appeared a few years ago, but I think they're quality - tend to get good reviews. They're not a super cheap brand like Palit.
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a b U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 7:52:34 PM

Did you find A new GTX 560ti under 180? Can you link it to me please?
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December 22, 2012 7:55:54 PM

sam_p_lay said:
The GPU is always made by nVidia, Zotac just manufacture the board and the other components. I wasn't sure about them when they first appeared a few years ago, but I think they're quality - tend to get good reviews. They're not a super cheap brand like Palit.

thanks, just wanna know would a 450w psu be able to handle this build with the 560ti?
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December 22, 2012 7:58:17 PM

Commandermadi said:
Did you find A new GTX 560ti under 180? Can you link it to me please?

please send me your email address so i can email u the link, there are only 10 left and i really want one im really scared they sell out
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a b U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 7:58:30 PM

Should be absolutely fine. You're looking at a TDP of 170 watts on a GTX560 Ti. Plus 125 watts for your processor leaves over 150 watts for other components and headroom.
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a b U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 7:58:58 PM

LazyBonez23 said:
please send me your email address so i can email u the link, there are only 10 left and i really want one im really scared they sell out


If you click the green icon by one of his posts, you can private message it to him ;-)
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a b U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 8:02:12 PM

LazyBonez23 said:
please send me your email address so i can email u the link, there are only 10 left and i really want one im really scared they sell out


Haha don't worry I am not going to buy it, I already have the 670 :p 

And as Sam said, send me a private message please, it would be better :) 
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December 22, 2012 8:20:07 PM

sam_p_lay said:
Should be absolutely fine. You're looking at a TDP of 170 watts on a GTX560 Ti. Plus 125 watts for your processor leaves over 150 watts for other components and headroom.

i was just worried coz on the specs page of the 560ti it says minimum psu must be 450w
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a b U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 8:30:35 PM

LazyBonez23 said:
i was just worried coz on the specs page of the 560ti it says minimum psu must be 450w


Which is exactly what you're running :-) Disregard what the manufacturer says anyway - they don't know what else you have in your system already! For all they know, you're running hundreds of watts of other hardware... or next to nothing above the essentials. They just choose a number that seems like a safe bet for somebody with a load of extra stuff in there. They couldn't say for sure what you need without knowing your other hardware.
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December 22, 2012 8:49:54 PM

sam_p_lay said:
Which is exactly what you're running :-) Disregard what the manufacturer says anyway - they don't know what else you have in your system already! For all they know, you're running hundreds of watts of other hardware... or next to nothing above the essentials. They just choose a number that seems like a safe bet for somebody with a load of extra stuff in there. They couldn't say for sure what you need without knowing your other hardware.

thanks sam, where i live (south africa) its 1 am so im gonna sleep now, wake up at 7 and hope there is still 1 card available for me, thanks for you help
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a b U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 8:56:37 PM

No worries mate :-)
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a b U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 9:13:21 PM

I'd steer clear of Sapphire - I've owned three and all three died on me within six months of warranty expiry. Anything from MSI, Gigabyte or Asus within $180?
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December 22, 2012 9:20:44 PM

That's strange, sapphire is generally one of the more respected brands, at least from what I can tell.

Here is a gigabyte
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I just noticed that you live in South Africa, will that influence the prices and availability of your options or should we continue our recommendations based on what is available to us.
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a b U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 9:24:50 PM

Yeah plenty of people will have good experiences with them and they're frequently recommended. Just sharing my experiences really - after 3 cards it's a 100% failure for me :-) I doubt there's any manufacturer that's never had a single product fail, but after my experiences, I won't be taking a chance on another Sapphire.
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December 22, 2012 9:32:33 PM

LazyBonez23 said:
hi guys im building a budget system i just dont know what gpu to go with.
Zotac GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB, or
Sapphire AMD Radeon HD 7770 1GB
Thanks



i have the amd 7770 i think it is the biggest bang foir the buck get the msi version
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a b U Graphics card
December 22, 2012 9:47:57 PM

I'd definitely +1 the MSI - they're an excellent manufacturer. GTX560 Ti really is a lot faster though - it's a really excellent option. My brother has one and it handles everything he can throw at it 1080p and AA.
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December 23, 2012 3:43:22 AM

usbgtx550 said:
That's strange, sapphire is generally one of the more respected brands, at least from what I can tell.

Here is a gigabyte
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I just noticed that you live in South Africa, will that influence the prices and availability of your options or should we continue our recommendations based on what is available to us.

yes as i cant ship to sa from newegg which sucks coz they often have great deals, im thinking about buying something and asking someone if i can ship it to their adress and they forward it to me at the cheapest rate but im scared im not sure if i can trust anyone :( 
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December 23, 2012 3:46:49 AM

Well as others said the 560ti is the better card compared to the 7770 if those are your two options.
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a b U Graphics card
December 23, 2012 10:13:33 AM

Yeah I'd be very careful about that. Unless it's somebody you already know of course. You could start a new thread about shipping services, somebody may have an idea. I remember seeing recently somebody posted about a delivery service for a business that didn't normally deliver to that person's country.

South Africa surely isn't that bad though? Maybe you just haven't found the South African equivalent of Newegg? In Britain, we have half a dozen British Newegg equivalents, you just need to know who is good :-) Why not Google product search a GTX560 Ti and see which companies come up for you? Check reviews and see who you have with 4.5+ star rating over hundreds of reviews.
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December 23, 2012 10:38:59 AM

sam_p_lay said:
Yeah I'd be very careful about that. Unless it's somebody you already know of course. You could start a new thread about shipping services, somebody may have an idea. I remember seeing recently somebody posted about a delivery service for a business that didn't normally deliver to that person's country.

South Africa surely isn't that bad though? Maybe you just haven't found the South African equivalent of Newegg? In Britain, we have half a dozen British Newegg equivalents, you just need to know who is good :-) Why not Google product search a GTX560 Ti and see which companies come up for you? Check reviews and see who you have with 4.5+ star rating over hundreds of reviews.

thanks, i will start a thread about that, the mobo im looking at buying only costs 75$ but the shipping here is $59 which in my eyes is a waste of money. Went with the 560 Ti, hope it performs, thanks for your help :hello: 
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a b U Graphics card
December 23, 2012 10:56:26 AM

Pleasure :-) And agreed about the shipping, I'd consider £10 ($15 USD) a bit of a rip, and anything more unacceptable.
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December 23, 2012 10:59:11 AM

sam_p_lay said:
Pleasure :-) And agreed about the shipping, I'd consider £10 ($15 USD) a bit of a rip, and anything more unacceptable.

do you know of any companies that ship internationally?
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a b U Graphics card
December 23, 2012 11:06:26 AM

Only the international couriers, but it depends who Newegg would be willing to use. You could ask them if they'll do it as a one-off, but I suspect that if they were willing to do international shipping, they already would be. You really are better off finding South African equivalents. I'll be amazed if you have none. In Britain, we use Scan, Dabs, Aria, Ebuyer and Novatech (and maybe Overclockers).
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December 23, 2012 11:10:38 AM

sam_p_lay said:
Only the international couriers, but it depends who Newegg would be willing to use. You could ask them if they'll do it as a one-off, but I suspect that if they were willing to do international shipping, they already would be. You really are better off finding South African equivalents. I'll be amazed if you have none. In Britain, we use Scan, Dabs, Aria, Ebuyer and Novatech (and maybe Overclockers).

The "cheap" stores over here are still more expensive than the prices with shipping, the cheapest site i use is ebay... Dabs has great deals, too bad they dont ship internationally :pfff: 
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a b U Graphics card
December 23, 2012 11:15:30 AM

By stores, you're talking about online businesses or actual shops? Because shops will always be more expensive. I'd always buy online because you get ripped off in a shop - between rent, staff and other overheads, they have a lot extra that they need to cover, so margins increase by necessity. It's why they're going out of business!
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December 23, 2012 11:18:27 AM

sam_p_lay said:
By stores, you're talking about online businesses or actual shops? Because shops will always be more expensive. I'd always buy online because you get ripped off in a shop - between rent, staff and other overheads, they have a lot extra that they need to cover, so margins increase by necessity. It's why they're going out of business!

Even the online stores are a rip off, im looking into shipito which does mail forwarding, just battling to get a quote...
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a b U Graphics card
December 23, 2012 11:21:43 AM

Cool, I think that's the thing that was mentioned in the other thread.
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December 24, 2012 4:25:04 PM

sam_p_lay said:
Cool, I think that's the thing that was mentioned in the other thread.

Hey sam, just wanna ask you something, would i notice much difference between using an asrock 970 extreme 3 and a 990fx extreme 3 with a fx 8120?
thanks
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a b U Graphics card
December 24, 2012 5:19:33 PM

I doubt it, though I think the differences will be things like number of PCI-E channels, connectivity-type stuff. The top-end enthusiast chipsets on AMD boards are 790FX, 890FX, 990FX and I think the -70 variants lose some of the features. I'm an Intel guy personally though, so I couldn't say off the top of my head. If you go to ASRock or AMD's site, there's probably a comparison feature to compare the two. Somebody made a really useful thread about international online hardware retailers, and there were a few for South Africa. I'll see if I can find it.
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December 24, 2012 5:28:07 PM

sam_p_lay said:
I doubt it, though I think the differences will be things like number of PCI-E channels, connectivity-type stuff. The top-end enthusiast chipsets on AMD boards are 790FX, 890FX, 990FX and I think the -70 variants lose some of the features. I'm an Intel guy personally though, so I couldn't say off the top of my head. If you go to ASRock or AMD's site, there's probably a comparison feature to compare the two. Somebody made a really useful thread about international online hardware retailers, and there were a few for South Africa. I'll see if I can find it.

thanks, that would help, I did find one, I can manage to get the 990fx extreme 3 for about $150, I know its not that cheap but its the best i can get for the price.
Another thing, would this work if i used 2 of these to power a 560Ti, the other ones ive seen take 2 molex plugs?
http://titan-ice.co.za/product_info.php?products_id=386...
or would this be better?
http://titan-ice.co.za/product_info.php?products_id=121...
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a b U Graphics card
December 24, 2012 8:00:28 PM

Here we go:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/358998-13-worldwide...

For hardware:
http://www.prophecy.co.za/index.php?osCsid=bf839edbfeb5...
http://www.comx-computers.co.za/computer-and-laptop-sal...
http://www.landmarkpc.co.za/
http://www.rebeltech.co.za/
http://www.rampage-gaming.co.za/
http://www.fireflytech.co.za/Live/
http://www.ikonicit.co.za/
http://www.sybaritic.co.za
http://www.takealot.com/
http://www.chaoscomputers.co.za/

And I dunno how much that motherboard normally costs, but that doesn't sound like a bad price. As for the adapters, their use is generally not recommended. I've had graphics cards include one in the box though and then say in the manual that they recommend against using them! So not 100% sure.
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December 24, 2012 8:18:11 PM

sam_p_lay said:
Here we go:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/358998-13-worldwide...

For hardware:
http://www.prophecy.co.za/index.php?osCsid=bf839edbfeb5...
http://www.comx-computers.co.za/computer-and-laptop-sal...
http://www.landmarkpc.co.za/
http://www.rebeltech.co.za/
http://www.rampage-gaming.co.za/
http://www.fireflytech.co.za/Live/
http://www.ikonicit.co.za/
http://www.sybaritic.co.za
http://www.takealot.com/
http://www.chaoscomputers.co.za/

And I dunno how much that motherboard normally costs, but that doesn't sound like a bad price. As for the adapters, their use is generally not recommended. I've had graphics cards include one in the box though and then say in the manual that they recommend against using them! So not 100% sure.

Hi sam, thanks for all the links:)  just want to know will this psu run this setup, Thermaltake Litepower 450w
Fx 8120
Gtx 560 Ti
Asrock 990fx extreme 3
1 sata HDD
1 DVD drive?
thanks for all your help
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a b U Graphics card
December 24, 2012 8:21:50 PM

It's no problem mate :-) And I really wouldn't recommend it. A few years ago (when I didn't know about PSUs) I bought a 650 watt Thermaltake and it died after 6 months. They have a pretty bad reputation for reliability. See what you can get from Seasonic, XFX, PC Power & Cooling, Silverpower or failing those, Corsair or Antec.
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December 24, 2012 8:38:27 PM

sam_p_lay said:
It's no problem mate :-) And I really wouldn't recommend it. A few years ago (when I didn't know about PSUs) I bought a 650 watt Thermaltake and it died after 6 months. They have a pretty bad reputation for reliability. See what you can get from Seasonic, XFX, PC Power & Cooling, Silverpower or failing those, Corsair or Antec.

what about this one?
http://m.takealot.com/computers/computer-components/hun...
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a b U Graphics card
December 24, 2012 9:51:57 PM

Haha nope.
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