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February 7, 2013 3:42:42 AM

I built my current PC in March of 2008 and it is really starting to show its age, so I would really like to build a killer new rig, but unfortunately, I am on a tight $500 budget. I am looking to upgrade my PC gaming experience for several titles coming out this year such as Crysis 3, Path Of Exile, Company of Heroes 2, Elder Scrolls Online, and Neverwinter. I have done a lot of research and it seems as though $500 is not enough for what I want to do, especially considering I would need to buy a new copy of Windows and would also like a new monitor. So, I have started to consider doing some upgrades now, and more in 6-12 months. Here are my current specs.

8GB DDR3 1066mhz ram (fastest my AM2 mobo will read)
AMD Phenom 9850 Quad Core (stock speed and fan)
9800 GTX+ Video Card
500 GB 7200 RPM hard drive
600 Watt Cooler Master power supply
19" Samsung 1440x900 monitor

I originally wanted to build a new rig around an AMD FX-6300 processor with a good motherboard and an HD 7850 video card, along with 8GB DDR3 1600mhz ram and a 23" monitor with a 1080p display. After a lot of research I found that to be able to stick to my budget on a new build, I would need to reuse my current hard drive, DVD drive, power supply, case, and even my old monitor. I started looking for corners to cut, but I don't want to be in this same spot in 12-18 months. Would it be a better use of my $500 to buy a better video card(maybe a 660 ti or an HD 7950), a new monitor, and then maybe a better processor fan so that I could try and OC my current processor for a bit better performance now? Then within the next year I could upgrade my CPU, motherboard, memory, and hard drive to go with my monitor and video card to complete the build.

I know this has been a long winded post, but I want to make sure I make the right investments in my rig so that I can enjoy gaming more in 2013, but also for the next 3-4 years.

Thanks for any and all feedback or advice.
February 7, 2013 4:02:15 AM

You need a new video card.

You might be shocked at the improvement.

9800 GTX+ has 128 Cuda cores, a new GTX 660 has 960 Cuda cores, while that is not the only thing that determines speed, video cards have come a long way, since the 9800 GTX+

For example
EVGA SuperClocked 02G-P4-2662-KR GeForce GTX 660 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 is $219.99 at newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For the extra twenty dollars, I prefer this one for the better and quieter fans
EVGA 02G-P4-2663-KR GeForce GTX 660 FTW Signature 2 2GB 192-bit GDDR5

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Since you mentioned you were on a budget, I went with the GTX 660 instead of the GTX 660 Ti, but if your interested in Crysis 3 then the GTX 660 Ti might be a better idea.

EVGA 02G-P4-3664-KR GeForce GTX 660 Ti FTW Signature2 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 for $299.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
February 7, 2013 4:32:06 AM

I definitely agree, but will I be held back considerably by my processor? I would love to be able to play newer game on high and ultra settings at 1080p.
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February 7, 2013 4:40:11 AM

Those old phenom Is had the cold bug. No matter how much cooling you threw at them, they wouldn't overclock much higher than the clocks they shipped with. I can definitely see your current cpu significantly holding back a decent gpu upgrade.
a b B Homebuilt system
February 7, 2013 4:51:45 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
34.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
43.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
56.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
165.00
http://www.microcenter.com/product/400664/Core_i5_3470_...
145.00
447.00
using your old 500g sta drive and 600w ps.
keep the 3470 and change the b77 mb for a z77 so you could drop in and unlocked chipset or spend the extra 40.00 on a asrock mb.
February 7, 2013 4:53:24 AM

I can live with running Crysis 3 on high at say, 35fps versus 50fps until I upgrade the rest, but I may have to rethink things if the upgrade won't allow me to enjoy smooth frame rates at 1080p. Would a nice card like the 660ti or 7950 be a waste in my current PC, or would it be a solid upgrade now and even bigger upgrade with a new build later?
a b B Homebuilt system
February 7, 2013 6:05:57 AM

ImageOfChaos said:
I can live with running Crysis 3 on high at say, 35fps versus 50fps until I upgrade the rest, but I may have to rethink things if the upgrade won't allow me to enjoy smooth frame rates at 1080p. Would a nice card like the 660ti or 7950 be a waste in my current PC, or would it be a solid upgrade now and even bigger upgrade with a new build later?


QUICK ANSWER:
Buy one of these cards (*Crysis 3 and Bioshock coupons!; one is a 3-slot card which I recommend if it fits your system)
Two HD7950's:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Long answer (recommend reading this):
Your processor won't allow a good graphics card to perform as well as it would with an i5-3570K, however building a system that is a noticeable improvement over your current rig plus one of the above cards will cost roughly at least $800.

My advice is spend about $300 on a graphics card upgrade, and keep your CPU overclocked (say 25% though I'm not familiar with your CPU) with a half-decent CPU HSF if you don't have one already ($30 or so).

It really comes down to the budget and that's a choice YOU have to make.

Other:
The most COMMON mistake I see in PC gaming is people max out games at the expense of frame rates. Don't run a game at 20 to 30FPS on MAX quality. Run at 40FPS, or better yet 60FPS VSYNC'd if it looks good.

Also, GAMES VARY considerably in their GPU/CPU demands. There are many, many great games that would run at 60FPS full quality (or close) with your system and a new card. Far Cry 3 is NOT one of them.

If you'd like a LIST of these games let me know the genre you like. (Bioshock ran really great, whereas Fallout 3/NV is a stuttering beast).
a b B Homebuilt system
February 7, 2013 6:12:31 AM

Other issues:

Windows 64-bit?
32-bit Windows can only use 4GB of memory. That's not just your RAM, it also includes your graphics card memory (VRAM). It's basically IMPOSSIBLE to use a 2GB or 3GB card with 32-bit Windows as a 3GB card would leave LESS than 1GB for your System, regardless of how much the motherboard has installed.

Graphics card compatibility notes:
- verify the LENGTH will fit your case
- verify your PSU has the proper 6-pin and/or 8-pin connectors
February 7, 2013 6:41:56 AM

Yes, I have Windows 7 64bit.

Graphics card will fit, and I have the correct connector.

Thanks for the insight, that is exactly the kind of in depth response I was hoping for.

Also, after looking into the hardware parts that were recommended by Smorizio earlier in this thread, I happened to come across a pre-built computer with very near the same specs he listed for near the same price. It also comes with a 2TB hard drive which would be an upgrade from mine, as well as already having Windows 8 installed(which his build did not take into consideration) . Would it be worth picking something up like this in 6-12 months and just sticking my graphics card and power supply into it?

Thanks for all the help.
a b B Homebuilt system
February 7, 2013 6:42:48 AM

how about you get a new CPU cooler (a cheap CM hyper 212 evo) and an HD 7850 now, which should give high to ultra settings on most GPU intensive games at 1440x900, and then get a second HD 7850 later on when you have the money to buy a new mobo, CPU, RAM, and 1080p monitor (and PSU too probably). The timing might work out pretty well too, considering Haswell should be out in June.
February 7, 2013 6:49:27 AM

OP has 8GB of system ram(says ddr3 but i'm thinking ddr2 since it's socket am2). A card like gtx660ti or hd7950 may well be bottlenecked by your current cpu. What is your case and mobo? I've heard cooler master power supplies referred to as "crapper masters" if not their top tier(not sure 600w is top tier). I'm thinking phenom II x4 940 BE am2 on ebay, cooler master hyper tx3 cpu cooler, hd7850 2GB(overclocks like crazy), haf 912 case and antec neo eco 520 psu. You can OC cpu to 3.6 or 3.75 pretty easy to help remove(but maybe not completely eliminate)bottlenecks. Some linkage:

cpu: Phenom II x4 940 BE AM2 for $60+shipping from ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-940-3-GHz-Quad...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($169.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 520W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Zalman MZ230ED 23.0" Monitor ($122.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $392.94
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-07 03:35 EST-0500)
a b B Homebuilt system
February 7, 2013 6:59:15 AM

jtenorj said:
OP has 8GB of system ram(says ddr3 but i'm thinking ddr2 since it's socket am2). A card like gtx660ti or hd7950 may well be bottlenecked by your current cpu. What is your case and mobo? I've heard cooler master power supplies referred to as "crapper masters" if not their top tier(not sure 600w is top tier). I'm thinking phenom II x4 940 BE am2 on ebay, cooler master hyper tx3 cpu cooler, hd7850 2GB(overclocks like crazy), haf 912 case and antec neo eco 520 psu. You can OC cpu to 3.6 or 3.75 pretty easy to help remove(but maybe not completely eliminate)bottlenecks. Some linkage:

cpu: Phenom II x4 940 BE AM2 for $60+shipping from ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-940-3-GHz-Quad...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($169.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 520W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Zalman MZ230ED 23.0" Monitor ($122.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $392.94
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-07 03:35 EST-0500)


I have to disagree a bit on this. I don't think he should put money into a less old CPU in a very old socket. is it cheap? yes, i suppose. is it a good use of money? no, not imo.
February 7, 2013 11:36:12 AM

If OP's mobo and that cooler can get the 940BE up to 3.75ghz, then it would be faster than a 980BE(which is fine for gaming). If OP decides to keep their case, they might bump up to a hd7870(which with the latest drivers is as fast as gtx660ti). Cranking up in game settings will switch the burden back to the gpu, making possible cpu limitations less relevant. The current 9850BE is pretty much stuck at 2.5ghz(and with only 2MB L3 cache). a 940BE at 3.6 or 3.75 would be 1.1-1.25 ghz faster(and has 6MB of L3 cache). More expensive chips like fx8320 and i5 3570K(and corresponding motherboards) are nice and all, but when you are on a tight budget, Phenom II x4(BE) can game. here's a link to a xfx dd hd7870 for 214.99 after $20 MIR and free shipping @newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Edit: while the hd7850 I specced previously is 8inches long, this hd7870 is 9.5 inches long. Hyper tx3 is smaller than a 212 and easier to mount(and capable).
a b B Homebuilt system
February 7, 2013 9:02:05 PM



First of all, commit to a BUDGET so we can give better advice.

Second, if you're spending all this money on a new gaming PC you might as well do it right. I know a lot and don't mind helping. For the budget you seem to be looking at there's only ONE CPU that you should be purchasing and that's the Intel i5-3570K.

The basics look like this:
- CPU ( Intel i5-3570K)
- Motherboard (1155/Z77; Asrock/MSI/Gigabyte/Asus)
- 8GB DDR3 1600MHz (2x4GB)
- HD7950?
(I'm recommending the HD7950 mainly because of the game deal and the value. Your BUDGET would dictate the best balance of parts. I like the 3-slot Asus cards as they're very quiet under load.)
- 650W Power Supply (quality)
- Windows 8 64-bit OEM + Start8 (from Stardock)
a b B Homebuilt system
February 7, 2013 9:16:23 PM

I seriously think people are under-valuing your current processor. Yes, there are far greater processors available, but yours isn't exactly a slouch. Will your system have a bottleneck due to the older processor? Probably, but I'd say it's like (hypothetically speaking) averaging 40FPS rather than 60FPS. You probably wouldn't even notice.

Go with a graphics card upgrade now and carry it over to a new system later on down the road.

-Wolf sends
a b B Homebuilt system
February 8, 2013 3:54:32 AM

Wolfshadw said:
I seriously think people are under-valuing your current processor. Yes, there are far greater processors available, but yours isn't exactly a slouch. Will your system have a bottleneck due to the older processor? Probably, but I'd say it's like (hypothetically speaking) averaging 40FPS rather than 60FPS. You probably wouldn't even notice.

Go with a graphics card upgrade now and carry it over to a new system later on down the road.

-Wolf sends


That was my recommend up above somewhere.
I said, either get a $300 graphics card to boost your system, or else budget for a system that would be significantly better than his current one (no point is spending $500 or more for a 20% boost).

Basically he needs to commit about $300 for the graphics card or $1000 for a completely new system.
a b B Homebuilt system
February 8, 2013 4:11:49 AM

Read this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

It will give you a rough idea of what to expect as it's comparing various games with the same graphics card but different CPU's.

*Note that games vary significantly on how much the CPU bottlenecks things, and of course there are plenty of games that you could play at full quality.

So I'm still recommending that 3-slot ASUS HD7950 I linked up above. Why not buy that and then rebuild your system in two years?
February 8, 2013 2:58:35 PM

Minimum frame rates would be affected in addition to average frame rates based on the slower cpu(OP's current cpu is notably slower than all the ones used in this outdated Tom's article). If you want a stutter fest(article used a hd7970), by all means try to use a the current cpu with a higher end card like a gtx660ti and above or hd7870 and above. If you read Tom's system builder marathons(focusing on the $500 price point), you might know that in June they paired a celeron g530(2.4ghz) with a gtx560ti. In August, they paired a pentium g860(3ghz)with a gtx560(non ti) and got better performance than the build in June with a faster gpu but slower cpu. Most games only use two threads nowadays, but some games are starting to use 4 threads(or more). In most games, a 9850BE would be slower than the celeron g530. In probably all games, an overclocked 940BE would be faster than a pentium g860. I might mention that in the SBM following the one in August, the $500 build had a pentium g850(2.9ghz) and a 1GB HD7850. That performed even better than the August $500 build. I think an overclocked 940BE and a HD7850 2GB would be a good pair for some time yet.

OP, I am curious about your model of mobo(so I can research to see how well it might overclock a new cpu), your model of case(to see how well it would fit a decent size aftermarket tower cpu cooler) and your model of coolermaster cpu(since you live near Fry's, I'm guessing you live in the US. There are 3 600w power supplies listed on Cooler Master's North American site and one is discontinued. Since your system is a bit on the older side, I'm guessing it's the discontinued extreme power 600w. Split rail design with 2 18A +12v rails that has relatively poor reviews on newegg. Add to that the fact that it is likely several years old with some level of capacitor aging, and I'd be reticent to use it with a new gpu you'll want to overclock for the best price to performance and an overclocked cpu). The antec neo eco 520 is no long such a great deal. pcpartpicker isn't listing ncix right now, but that site is still up. The powercolor HD7850 I specced is no longer in stock at newegg, bit it is at ncix. the next 7850 up on pcpartpicker costs a bit more. When you by $100 or more at ncix and under 200 pounds in weight, shipping is free. I'm going to post links to the card/psu at ncix and a revised build a pcpartpicker for the rest. First the video card:

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=78185

now the psu(seasonic built,long life ball bearing fan, 80+ bronze, 44A +12v rail, enough pcie connectors for hd7970 ghz ed. or gtx690, 5yr warranty) :

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=59615&promoid=1257

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Zalman MZ230ED 23.0" Monitor ($122.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $182.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-08 11:51 EST-0500)

Also, I found another 940BE on ebay for cheaper(50 bucks with one bid right now and free shipping). Auction ends 4pm Pacific on Sunday. Here it is :

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-940-3GHz-6M-L3...

There are other auctions, but this seems like you could get it for a good price and soon. Hope this helps.

Edit: you could also get the HAF 912 at ncix and a HIS HD7850 2GB at newegg. That might save you a few bucks on rebates up front. Here's those links/mods:

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55583&promoid=1312

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Zalman MZ230ED 23.0" Monitor ($122.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $322.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-08 12:08 EST-0500)
a b B Homebuilt system
February 8, 2013 8:31:58 PM

*Let's not start designing his new PC until he makes a decision, and if he does decide to build a new PC we'd need a budget.
February 8, 2013 9:33:47 PM

my understanding is the "right away" budget is 500. I'm not suggesting a whole new system. Keep the mobo, ram, OS, HDD, optical, keyboard, mouse, speakers/headset. Replace cpu, cpu cooler, gpu, power supply, lcd, case. If the OP can get a 940BE to 3.6/3.75ghz with a hyper tx3 on their current mobo, that is closer to a 50% improvement in CPU performance. A HD7850 2GB should be more than twice as fast as the old 9800gtx+(that's based on the hd7850's launch performance. With the latest drivers and a healthy dose of overclocking, it would be notably faster still). On down the road a better gpu can be purchased to replace the hd7850, with the 7850 being sold to help recoup some of the cost of the then newer card.

Edit: don't forget to update your mobo bios so it will support the newer phenom II quad core processors.
February 9, 2013 2:44:30 AM

Sorry for the delay in responding, I have been crazy busy with work. To answer a few questions and assumptions;

After cracking my case open to investigate my power supply, I discovered that it was actually a 500 watt Cooler Master and not a 600.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It is one year older than my current rig, but it still seems to run smoothly.

Also, I did some research on my motherboard as it was the one piece of my system I was completely unfamiliar with, and it looks pretty dated.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I believe someone posted that it most likely only supported DDR 2 memory and they were correct, I have 8 GB of DDR2 1066 memory.

Also my case is an Antec 300.

So, to get back to the conversation of deciding on a budget, things have changed a bit with my financial situation.

The good news is that I was able to bump my budget to $650(not including an OS anymore, as a friend has an extra activation code for Windows 7), the bad news is that I will be unable to do any major upgrades to it for 2 years.

I think reusing my current Hard Drive and optical drive will be fine as it will open my budget up a bit more for everything else. Also, I should note that my $650 is a hard budget that must include any tax or shipping and cannot include mail in rebate savings, as I would have to pay those up front.

Thanks.
February 9, 2013 7:17:09 AM

So you can reuse case, psu, hdd, optical, keyboard, mouse, speakers/headphones, and have a unused windows license available. That means cpu, mobo, ram, gpu and lcd screen. Try this set of parts on for size:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3550 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($207.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z75 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($76.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($48.92 @ Amazon)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Zalman MZ230ED 23.0" Monitor ($122.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $636.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-09 04:09 EST-0500)

The i5 3550 is faster than a i5 2500k at stock, and this mobo will let you overclock within the confines of turbo bins(stock cooler should handle it). 2x4GB of fairly low latency ddr3 1600. Feature rich mobo(will allow for i5k or i7k to overclock in the future if you want). HD7850 2GB(still overclocks great on your PSU's single pcie 6pin connector). decent 1080p lcd(tn so not professional color or wide viewing angles, but who cares for gaming. faster response time will be better to not ghost while gaming). Price includes shipping and NO REBATES.
February 9, 2013 5:46:54 PM

*Had to edit and correct my processor link.

I like that build a lot, but I think I may have found a slightly better deal on the CPU, motherboard, memory at Micro Center that I could pick up locally and be able to return should there be any issues.

Processor: http://www.microcenter.com/product/388577/Core_i5_3570K... ($189.99)

Motherboard: http://www.microcenter.com/product/401769/Z77A-G41_LGA_...
The price listed in the link is $94.99, but if buy it with the above motherboard, it drops to $44.99

Memory: http://www.microcenter.com/product/366806/8GB_DDR3-1600...(PC3-12800)_CL_9_Dual_Channel_Desktop_Memory_Kit_(Two_4GB_Memory_Modules) ($39.99)

This would save me an additional $58.92, which I could use to jump to the 7870 video card and still be saving $3.92.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


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cpu: good deal, but you can't really overclock with the Intel heat sink fan. You could use it at stock for now(maybe a mild overclock within the confines of its turbo bins), and get an inexpensive air cooler like a hyper tx3 for 20 bucks on down the line to push the clocks some more(minor upgrade).

mobo: looks pretty decent. no real sli/crossfire support, but that would be a big upgrade. feature rich, overclocks ok.

ram: 2x4GB pny ddr3 1600 cas 9. has heat spreaders, but the fact it's 1.65v gives me some pause(I like to shoot for 1.5v). I know the default voltage for the memory controller in sandy bridge is 1.5v. Not sure if ivy is the same or lower. Looking at newegg user reviews, most are using this kit in an amd ecosystem. maybe a few on LGA1155. One instance had the kit with a sandy i3 on a H61 mobo. The mobo lowered the voltage to 1.5 and the speed to ddr3 1333. I think the corsair ram I specced generally has a better rep than pny ram. It costs more, but it's arguably worth it.

gpu: HD7870 requires 2 pcie 6pin connectors. Your psu has ONE. The xfx model you specced lacks any adapters. It does overclock well(with proper power), runs cool/quiet, and has a lifetime warranty. If you go for this card, you will want a 2molex(50w each) to one pcie 6pin(75w) adapter. Using a one molex to one pcie 6pin adapter is asking for trouble. Also, your power supply has 2 +12v rails at 16A each(192w each or 384w total). In the scenario being mulled over, you might need to take load balancing on the +12v rails into account. If you get a hd7850 now, you can easily swap in a more powerful card in the future and then sell the hd7850 to help defray the cost of the then new gpu.

I'm guessing you checked out that zalman display and figure it'll work out for you(maybe I'm wrong). That's all I can think of right now.
a b B Homebuilt system
February 10, 2013 12:33:47 AM

jtenorj said:
Also, your power supply has 2 +12v rails at 16A each(192w each or 384w total). In the scenario being mulled over, you might need to take load balancing on the +12v rails into account.


just to be clear, to calculate the total number of amps available on the 12V rails, you take the number of watts capable of being used by the 12V rails (usually written on the side of the PSU), and divide by 12. this particular PSU doesn't have that number on the side, of course, so it's impossible to my knowledge to know exactly how many amps/watts are available to the 12V components. however, your method gets you relatively close to the true number. i just didn't want you to make the common mistake in the future of adding the stated amps of each individual rail together and multiplying by 12 in order to get the total number of watts on the 12V rails.
February 10, 2013 1:52:37 AM

Thanks for the feedback.

I plan on picking up an inexpensive cpu fan in a few weeks for overclocking. As far as the mobo goes, I never SLI/Crossfire, so it should be great. I think I will stick with the Corsair Ram you recommended just to be on the safe side. And as far as the monitor goes, yes it looks perfect for my needs. And finally, thanks for the catch on my power supply issue. I would not have caught that until I got home and realized I needed the adapters.

I really appreciate your help, and everyone else's(especially photonboy), on helping me through this process.

I am looking forward to getting my new rig!
February 10, 2013 2:02:54 AM

If you buy the 7950 within the next few days you get Crysis 3 and Tomb Raider. That will save you the $ of having to buy them later so look at it as $120 discount. I just got a 7870 and I'm returning it for a 7950 that is $59 more. It will have a little bit better FPS and I'll save money because I was going to spend the $120 buying those game anyway. Yea Newegg
February 17, 2013 5:06:55 PM

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