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February 7, 2013 5:45:25 AM

My PC part picker list

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BXAq


my reddit build a pc post

http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/17zcg7/build_...


So basically, I have a 750w PSU that i have been using in my current PC and a 500g HDD which i plan to format for a clean start, since i am installing win7 as i did not have it previously. I plan to use these parts in my new build that is why they are not in the parts list. ( I also have a disk drive)


i am on about a 650 budget for all of those parts and this PC will be used for video games as well as media and school schtuff. So i'm mainly building toward being able to run games (even though i play about 3) at a fast speed and around Medium settings, i would also like to multitask but seeing how i do that now already on my PC i do not think this will be a problem with this one.
Now onto the parts i am confused/worried about, i have learned ALOT recently but i have been getting different reports on some of the choices i have made with this build and i am now going to go over each part and my concerns with it

The CPU, i have people who its fine and others who say it's , through my own research i have concluded its great for the price, MY biggest concern is will it bottleneck the GPU?

MotherBoard, i have no idea what makes a motherboard good or bad but as far as i can tell from this subreddit and other sources it should be fine

Standard memory

video card, Some say it will be bottlenecked and that i should downgrade to a lesser one to avoid that

Case, seems fine

Win 7 64bit, seems fine

A few friends have said that my GPU will be bottlenecked by my CPU and that will cause malfunctions and stress on CPU, now i REALLY don't want to have to replace anything after i buy it and assemble for at least another 1-3 years.


ANY criticism/feedback will be greatly appreciated and i hope you take some of your time to read this post, thanks.

EDIT: forgot to mention i will be doing things in 1920x1080
February 7, 2013 6:07:47 AM

To get the most out of the GPU you will have to overclock the CPU (needs after market cooler). Since your board is AM3+ FX6300 might be a better choice.
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February 7, 2013 8:17:24 AM

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To get the most out of the GPU you will have to overclock the CPU (needs after market cooler). Since your board is AM3+ FX6300 might be a better choice.


What if i down grade the GPU a little bit? i dont really plan to overclock it and i would be okay with down grading the GPU to save some money anyways, but with the GPU as it is will it cause damage or stress on the CPU? perhaps making it last not as long? sorry if these are dumb questions, also if downgrading the GPU seems like a good choice what would be your recommendation?


Also i would be okay with getting a different motherboard of equal price/quality if it means better performance for a different CPU/other parts
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February 7, 2013 8:26:04 AM

No there is no harm in running with a bottleneck, just means that you will not get the max performance potential of the component. HD7850/70 or GTX660 would do fine in your build.
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February 7, 2013 8:52:03 AM

i agree with rolli59...
Buy a AMD FX processor which has 4 cores because that will be enough for gaming...
To play games on medium settings, a GTX 660 or Radeon 7850 is more than enough... But a GTX 660 Ti would be better if you want to play games at max settings. I have a 660 Ti and i can play Crysis 2 maxed out and get a steady 50fps... So that is great...

And for case, at that same price you can get a Corsair 200 (for a case). It is much better than the one you chose IMO.

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February 7, 2013 9:00:50 AM

If you turn image settings up and fps dont drop you had a bottleneck .

The obvious solution is turn image settings up
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February 7, 2013 10:28:52 AM

Well...

I would recommend the AMD Radeon HD 7870 over a GTX 660 Ti. The reason being that while they both perform around the same, when overclocked, the 7870 takes the lead. If you don't overclock... you're likely to appreciate the Never Settle Gaming Bundle that comes with your AMD Graphics card (Bioshock Inifinite & Tomb Raider).

The rest of your parts are good enough imo. I can't really see you having any issues with any games currently out or any which will be out in the near future.

There is one thing I'd like to add. You mentioned your friend claiming that your CPU will get damaged from your Graphics card being too fast correct? I think your friend is mistaken. Your CPU wouldn't get damaged. The worst thing that would happen is that your framerates would be limited by your CPU... that's all. In order to alleviate that you could always overclock your CPU a tad.

Anyway... Good luck!
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February 7, 2013 10:46:47 AM

So i think for 30$ more this build would be more optimized

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BZB5


Any problems with this build?

also is there any legal way to get windows 7 for cheaper? the 100$ price tag is killing me
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February 7, 2013 11:26:17 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-4300 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($123.79 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($94.15 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $657.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-07 08:26 EST-0500)


What PSU are you buying???
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February 7, 2013 11:27:03 AM

i have a 750w psu thats about a year old that i plan to use
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February 7, 2013 11:31:21 AM

ok...
And to answer your question, there is no way to get Win 7 at a lower price legally. Maybe your friend will want to sell one for 10 bucks less :p 
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February 7, 2013 11:36:59 AM

Quote:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-4300 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($123.79 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($94.15 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $657.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-07 08:26 EST-0500)


What PSU are you buying???



Why did you change the motherboard and the ram? thanks for taking the time to look at my build, friend :) 
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February 7, 2013 11:39:32 AM

This topic has been moved from the section CPU & Components to section Systems by Mousemonkey
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February 7, 2013 11:49:11 AM

Mousemonkey said:
This topic has been moved from the section CPU & Components to section Systems by Mousemonkey


Sorry about that im very new to these forums. :) 
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February 7, 2013 12:05:28 PM

Bobandfreinds said:
Why did you change the motherboard and the ram? thanks for taking the time to look at my build, friend :) 

I changed the RAM simply because it was cheaper :p 
You wont notice a difference between 1333Mhz RAM and 1600Mhz RAM... Kingston is a good brand so no need to be worried ;) 

I change the motherboard because it has a Internal USB 3.0 Header which is needed for the Corsair 200R is it has front panel USB 3.0 ports...
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February 7, 2013 1:00:09 PM

Get the FX 6300 not the FX 4300. For $10 more, it is worth the upgrade. Also, for GPU, choose the AMD Radeon 7870 XT. With mnoey left over, get an aftermarket cooler for your CPU.
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February 7, 2013 1:29:00 PM

Here is my stab at it.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/C0Eg

The case was fine, everything else changed was either performance oriented or to get some wiggle room price wise for the higher performing parts.

CPU
AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor

Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard

Memory Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory

Video Card HIS Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card

Case
Azza Triton 401 ATX Mid Tower Case

Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)

Base Total: $678.93
Combo Discounts: -$10.00
Mail-in Rebates: -$30.00
Shipping: $17.55
Total: $656.48


Edit: The memory was $1 cheaper, and is low profile, so if you do decide to get an aftermarket cooler for the CPU it will not interfere with the memory.
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February 7, 2013 1:35:38 PM

Some of you have mentioned to get the fx-6300 over the fx-4300, while the 6300 has 6 cores, I thought that stronger individual cores are better for gaming and high end GPUs than weaker but more cores.
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February 7, 2013 1:43:43 PM

Bobandfreinds said:
Some of you have mentioned to get the fx-6300 over the fx-4300, while the 6300 has 6 cores, I thought that stronger individual cores are better for gaming and high end GPUs than weaker but more cores.

you are right... the FX4300 has a clock speed of 3.8Ghz and the FX6300 as a clock speed of 3.5Ghz... So for gaming it will perform a bit better. And for gaming, you do not need 6 cores. Unless your are editing Video a 6 or 8 core CPU is unnecessary...

So id still stick with an FX4300 if i were you...
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February 7, 2013 2:59:47 PM

If nothing else changes in my build what would be the better card?

the 660ti
or
the Radeon HD 7950 3GB


also i really like the idea of the radeon 7870 card because it puts my build under 600.

what are your guys thoughts on those
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February 7, 2013 3:09:39 PM

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/548?vs=647

see 1920x1200 benchmarks... The 660 ti performs much better in some games and the 7870 performs just a tad better in other games...

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http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/550?vs=647

see 1920x1200 benchmarks... same thing here too- The 660 ti performs much better in some games and the 7950 performs much in other games...

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Choose the card according to the games you play. The GTX 660 Ti also has low power consumption which may matter to you...
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February 7, 2013 3:10:22 PM

my decision would be between the GTX 660 Ti and the 7950...

I went though the same situation and ended up buying the GTX 660 Ti over the 7950... And im very happy with it...
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February 7, 2013 3:44:42 PM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BZFE

im really leaning toward this as the final build, mostly because i think the GPU will perform what i need it to do but its 60$- ish less than the other 2 gpu's. Thanks to all you guys that offered input on the build. Are there any final oversights ive made with this final build? dimension/bad parts wise, because i would really like this build to last a good 3 ish years

Also the PSU i plan to use is a coolmax 700w, i dont think it will cause any problems in this build but i did buy it a year ago when i didnt know jack *** about computers.
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February 7, 2013 3:51:11 PM

timarp000 said:
you are right... the FX4300 has a clock speed of 3.8Ghz and the FX6300 as a clock speed of 3.5Ghz... So for gaming it will perform a bit better. And for gaming, you do not need 6 cores. Unless your are editing Video a 6 or 8 core CPU is unnecessary...

It isn't quite that simple for three reasons:
1) New games especially, are getting more multithreaded
2) The FX-6300 is clock for clock faster than an FX-4300, because it has 1.5x as much L3 cache per core (4MB total vs 8MB) as the FX-4300 (although not enough to make up .3 ghz)
3) The FX-6300 is unlocked and overclockable, so stock clocks don't matter as much as how far each will overclock.

For 10 or $20 more I would get the FX-6300 every time. It is just more future proof.
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February 8, 2013 8:28:29 AM

jacobsta811 said:
It isn't quite that simple for three reasons:
1) New games especially, are getting more multithreaded
2) The FX-6300 is clock for clock faster than an FX-4300, because it has 1.5x as much L3 cache per core (4MB total vs 8MB) as the FX-4300 (although not enough to make up .3 ghz)
3) The FX-6300 is unlocked and overclockable, so stock clocks don't matter as much as how far each will overclock.

For 10 or $20 more I would get the FX-6300 every time. It is just more future proof.

That is true, but even crysis 2 doesnt need more than 4 cores... if ther difference is very small (I have not checked) then he could go for the 6 core... But for todays games, 4 core is enough...
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February 8, 2013 8:34:33 AM

If you want AMD and you want it cheaper,
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-4300 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($123.79 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($94.15 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($244.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $642.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-08 05:31 EST-0500)

The 7870XT is an updated version of the 7870. It performs almost the same as a GTX 660 Ti... IMO, its worth it ;)  And the Corsair 200R is much better case... Motherboard has USB 3.0 header which is needed for the Corsair 200R's front panel USB 3.0 ports
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February 8, 2013 11:15:24 AM

timarp000 said:
If you want AMD and you want it cheaper,
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-4300 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($123.79 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($94.15 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($244.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $642.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-08 05:31 EST-0500)

The 7870XT is an updated version of the 7870. It performs almost the same as a GTX 660 Ti... IMO, its worth it ;)  And the Corsair 200R is much better case... Motherboard has USB 3.0 header which is needed for the Corsair 200R's front panel USB 3.0 ports


why do you say the corsair 200R is a much better case? also i do kinda want an nvidia card overall but the 7870 seems like it will perform enough for me while being 60$ cheaper
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February 8, 2013 12:31:24 PM

Bobandfreinds said:
why do you say the corsair 200R is a much better case? also i do kinda want an nvidia card overall but the 7870 seems like it will perform enough for me while being 60$ cheaper

The Corsair has a better better quality materials, corsair has better customer support is something goes wrong, its easy to build in as everything is tool-less and it has front panel USB 3.0 which will be handy in the future
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February 8, 2013 12:31:46 PM

And cable management is better too ;) 
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