My New Rig!

[gustafangus]

So, My old 4 year old custom PC died... And I'm buying a new one - Gonna make it myself 'fcorse.

Anyway i got about 1200€ and no more, but i did set up a good rig for 1255€.

Here's what i got (for the 1200€), with links!

MOBO: Asus p9x79 ( http://goo.gl/mL30n )
CPU: Intel i7 3820 ( http://goo.gl/lRiK6 )
CPU cooler: Scyther Grand Kama Cross ( http://goo.gl/OPN13 )
PSU: XFX 850W Black edition ( http://goo.gl/Kz07B )
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 1600MHz 16Gb ( http://goo.gl/oOfGg )
HDD: Western Digital WD10EZEX ( http://goo.gl/Pyq8W )
GPU: 2X XFX Radeon HD 7870 ( http://goo.gl/vpFb2 )
Case: I already have a Cooler master HAF 922 w/ 6 fans
CD-ROM: Already have one

So... this is the first PC I built (this one was by my Brother) and i still don't know all the things... Anyway here are some questions:

-Would a 850W PSU power a system like this?
-Does the PSU look ok, and does it have the appropriate connections or whatever? (if not please send my a link to any PSU under 150€ that would be good for my setup)
-Is the GPU option ok? Because i'm going to Triple-screen on 3 19" diplays so i figured it's better for 2 good cards than 1 amazing card. What do you think?
-Will everything fit together and do i get all the cables (like sata, power supply cables ect) when i buy these things or do i need to buy them seperately?
-Would a setup like this run something like Crysis 3 on triple screens?
-Do you think i could get anything better for the price? and if so, what?

Thanks!

 

[TheBigTroll]

-use a i5 3570k if you are gaming
-use a asrock z77 extreme4 motherboard, gigabyte z77x-ud3h, z77x-ud5h or a asus z77-v pro. you dont need x79
-a cooler master hyper 212 evo is a better choice
-750w is sufficient
-get one powerful video card such as the gtx 670 or the 7970 instead. getting 2 weaker cards is never as good as a single powerful card. if you are going triple monitor (assuming you already have 3 monitors, other wise dont waste your time), get the 7970
-crysis 3 is hard to max out, even with a gtx 690. but only time and driver updates will tell

also, if you have money left over, get a 120/128gb SSD to speed things up. id also recommend you to post this in German over at the german forums (if you happen to be german given the url)

 

[gustafangus]

-use a i5 3570k if you are gaming
-use a asrock z77 extreme4 motherboard, gigabyte z77x-ud3h, z77x-ud5h or a asus z77-v pro. you dont need x79
-a cooler master hyper 212 evo is a better choice
-750w is sufficient
-get one powerful video card such as the gtx 670 or the 7970 instead. getting 2 weaker cards is never as good as a single powerful card. if you are going triple monitor (assuming you already have 3 monitors, other wise dont waste your time), get the 7970
-crysis 3 is hard to max out, even with a gtx 690. but only time and driver updates will tell

also, if you have money left over, get a 120/128gb SSD to speed things up. id also recommend you to post this in German over at the german forums (if you happen to be german given the url)

Sorry I'm sticking with a i7, i have an i7 now, and once you go i7... you can't go back... But the 7970 have quite low clock speed for the price... I mean the asus 7970 has a clock speed of 925 and 5.5ghz memory clock, while the listed xfx has 1050mhz clock speed and 5000 memory speed... except for the 384bit thing and 3gb, what makes these cards any better ffrom the 7870, with a price diference of 220€?

Also i understand 750w is enough but is the PSU i listed ok? Does it have the nescercary connections?

Oh yeah, I'm not german, nor do i speak it, I just live in EU and the german amazon is the cheapest place around!

thanks!

 

[TheBigTroll]

i have a i7. i turn off hyper threading (i turn it into a i5). no performance lost whatsoever. its stupid to get one for gaming

clockspeed is irrelevant when you are comparing different GPU chips. a pitcarin 7850 at 1.5ghz still wont be as powerful as a tahiti 7970 at stock clocks.

and plus, you can tweak the overclocking yourself.

a single card is always better than 2 cards. it uses less power, does not have scaling issues (2 cards dont mean 2x performance of a single card), is not as prone to micro-stuttering, and leaves you a upgrade path

750w is enough

 

[gustafangus]

What 7970 do you reccomend?

And whick PSU do you reccomend?

Thanks!!

 

[TheBigTroll]

sapphire, xfx and gigabyte are good choices for a 7970. the 7970 from asus is triple slot and doesnt cool better so no recommendation there

for sapphire, look for the dual x or the toxic editions. but if they are too pricy, i wouldnt get them

for gigabyte, grab the cheapest windforce 3x card

for xfx, grab the cheapest double dissipation card

 

[gustafangus]

sapphire, xfx and gigabyte are good choices for a 7970. the 7970 from asus is triple slot and doesnt cool better so no recommendation there

for sapphire, look for the dual x or the toxic editions. but if they are too pricy, i wouldnt get them

for gigabyte, grab the cheapest windforce 3x card

for xfx, grab the cheapest double dissipation card

UUUUUUUUUUUU just found a SWEET Gigabyte 7970 with 6000 mem. clock and 1100 core! check it!

http://www.amazon.de/GIGABYTE-Grafikkarte-GV-R797TO-3GD-Edition-Mini-DisplayPort/dp/B008VJXX2Y/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1360369934&sr=1-2

Is there any stronger card for a simmilar price?

What do you think of it?

I'm just dissapointed at only the 4 inputs... the asus has 6 inputs or more, but i'm not buying asus gpu again... Because i'm gonna get a broken, 7yr-old screen from someone soon now, so it's a total of 4 screens, the 4th just to monitor temps, time, fan speed ect. when gaming...

Anyway, should i go for it?

here's a psu: http://www.amazon.de/ZT-Series-OCZ-ZT750W-Stromversorgung-intern/dp/B0068OEBZM/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1360370970&sr=1-4

it's 80+ bronze, but i don't know if it has the right inputs for the CPU, MOBO, GPU, ect...

And are all the other parts listed above compatible?

thanks!!!

 

[TheBigTroll]

this card is much better
http://www.amazon.de/Sapphire-VAPOR-X-7970-Grafikkarten-11197-12-40G/dp/B008I7YZJY/ref=pd_sim_sbs_computers_3

but then if you pay 50 bucks less, you still get around the same performance, just not as high of a overclock headroom
http://www.amazon.de/Sapphire-Grafikkarte-GDDR5-Speicher-mini-DisplayPort/dp/B0096WIHL2/ref=pd_sim_sbs_computers_9

 

[TheBigTroll]

since i cant find the 750w version of the xfx psu, i guess the 850w that you started out with will have to do
http://www.amazon.de/XFX-850W-Black-Edition-Netzteil/dp/B0050751YS/ref=sr_1_17?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1360375499&sr=1-17

still better than ocz

 

[Firespert]

but then if you pay 50 bucks less, you still get around the same performance, just not as high of a overclock headroom
http://www.amazon.de/Sapphire-Grafikkarte-GDDR5-Speicher-mini-DisplayPort/dp/B0096WIHL2/ref=pd_sim_sbs_computers_9

Get the Ghz edition for sure, it's much faster. Like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125439&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID= it also comes with Crysis 3 and Bioshock 2 with purchase

This PSU also looks great http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182264&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

 

[TheBigTroll]

the gigahertz edition is not much faster. the difference can be easily achieved through overclocking

 

[Firespert]

Then overclock the gigahertz edition

 

[TheBigTroll]

they all end up in the 1250 mark anyways.

 

[gustafangus]

I,m not really thinking of Overclocking.... So now i am between Sapphire or gigabyte.

So as far as I know:

Gigabyte 7970
CC: 1100
MC: 6000 (1500)

Sapphire Vapor X
CC: 1050
MC: 6000 (1500)

Both are 384bit... So which one should i get for tripple screening?

 

[TheBigTroll]

well the whole point of custom coolers on cards is so that you can overclock. its easy and it takes less than a minute

i wouldnt recommend a ghz edition 7970 at all since you arent going to overclock and that they are 50 euros apart

 

[Praxeology]

-use a i5 3570k if you are gaming
-use a asrock z77 extreme4 motherboard, gigabyte z77x-ud3h, z77x-ud5h or a asus z77-v pro. you dont need x79
-a cooler master hyper 212 evo is a better choice
-750w is sufficient
-get one powerful video card such as the gtx 670 or the 7970 instead. getting 2 weaker cards is never as good as a single powerful card. if you are going triple monitor (assuming you already have 3 monitors, other wise dont waste your time), get the 7970
-crysis 3 is hard to max out, even with a gtx 690. but only time and driver updates will tell

also, if you have money left over, get a 120/128gb SSD to speed things up. id also recommend you to post this in German over at the german forums (if you happen to be german given the url)

These recommendations are good, though I disagree on the video card changes. Crossfire 7850/70s(SLI 660/660TI) has the best performance for the price. You should probably go with an 850w psu to give you room for degration over time if you do go to 7850/70s. Benchmarks @ get one powerful video card:Metro2033 for 1 example As far as performance is concerned there is no question about what's the better buy. If you CF 7850s you will smoke any 7970, and especially the suckers who bought 7970s day one instead of just CF the more reasonable models in the 7000 series. I would argue for CF 7850's as they are the sweet spot. The only downside to a CF build is dealing with drivers, which aren't too bad but better with nvidia, and increased PSU requirements/bill every month lol.

Edit: Here is a resource on the i5 3570k vs i73770k Not The Best Benchmarks but true none the less. Hyperthreading and 100 dollars is the only difference between these two processors.

Edit 2: More resources

 

[TheBigTroll]

if you are running triple displays, you will need the extra vram and mem bus provided by the 7970. you might get a tad more performance out of CF 7850s and 7870s on a single screen, but id doubt on 3

cf video cards also draw more power

and also, a 7850 cf will only need a 650w psu. they draw around 120w full load a piece

 

[Potential]

Sorry I'm sticking with a i7, i have an i7 now, and once you go i7... you can't go back... But the 7970 have quite low clock speed for the price... I mean the asus 7970 has a clock speed of 925 and 5.5ghz memory clock, while the listed xfx has 1050mhz clock speed and 5000 memory speed... except for the 384bit thing and 3gb, what makes these cards any better ffrom the 7870, with a price diference of 220€?

Also i understand 750w is enough but is the PSU i listed ok? Does it have the nescercary connections?

Oh yeah, I'm not german, nor do i speak it, I just live in EU and the german amazon is the cheapest place around!

thanks!

Soooo basically you just want an i7 sticker. I see now

 

[Praxeology]

if you are running triple displays, you will need the extra vram and mem bus provided by the 7970. you might get a tad more performance out of CF 7850s and 7870s on a single screen, but id doubt on 3

cf video cards also draw more power

and also, a 7850 cf will only need a 650w psu. they draw around 120w full load a piece

A 3 monitor display will run better on cf 7850 than a single 7970, 79fps vs 55 fps on metro, 2560x1600p(Even higher than a cheap 1080p 3way set up) Resource. Single 7970/680s or really anything over the 850/660 levels are pointless when you can CF them for 30+ fps over the 7970s and 680s for a cheaper/equal price. Interested on a source for 7870s full load, but if you are positive then a 650w sounds great.

 

[Praxeology]

Soooo basically you just want an i7 sticker. I see now

I don't think he understands that there is no difference xD, hopefully he will take a look at the benchmark sources above and think about it.

 

[gustafangus]

I like the i7 3820 because of it's LGA 2011, the fact that is has quad-channel ram (most i5 boards have dual) is already a bonus + look at the 8 Ram slots! Isn't it amazing?! This PC isn't just for gaming, it's for high-end video making, rendering, multi-tasking and much more!

As for the GPU... i have absolutely no idea what you guys are talking about. I understand that maybe (maybe) 2 7870's (xfx 7870 ) that i listed, might outperform a sapphire 7970, atleast that's what i understand. But aparently some games don't handle 2 cards, there's more risk factions, bluescreens and so on.

Could you just tell me 2 things:

1. What should i get (2 xfx 7870 or 1x 7970 sapphire)
2. Will the 850W PSU i listed (link below) have the appropriate inputs for the power? I don't know, will the cable go into the MOBO, or the GPU i don't know this...

thanks!

 

[Praxeology]

I like the i7 3820 because of it's LGA 2011, the fact that is has quad-channel ram (most i5 boards have dual) is already a bonus + look at the 8 Ram slots! Isn't it amazing?! This PC isn't just for gaming, it's for high-end video making, rendering, multi-tasking and much more!

As for the GPU... i have absolutely no idea what you guys are talking about. I understand that maybe (maybe) 2 7870's (xfx 7870 ) that i listed, might outperform a sapphire 7970, atleast that's what i understand. But aparently some games don't handle 2 cards, there's more risk factions, bluescreens and so on.

Could you just tell me 2 things:

1. What should i get (2 xfx 7870 or 1x 7970 sapphire)
2. Will the 850W PSU i listed (link below) have the appropriate inputs for the power? I don't know, will the cable go into the MOBO, or the GPU i don't know this...

thanks!

1. Better performance with cf 7870, by roughly 30+ fps.

2. An 850W Corsair/Seasonic Gold PSU will have the appropriate inputs for the power. The pcie cables from the psu go into the gpu.

3. Quad channel has no performance increases in gaming whatsoever, 8 dimms slots is useless as 8GB is all that is used in any games, and 16 is plenty of buffer room. Any game that doesn't handle cf 7870s will run fine on 1 7870. Any big title that is graphically intensive will run cf 7870. There are no blue screens provided things are set up properly and the only risk factor is you have 2 components instead of 1 that can fail. If they are working on arrival they will work for the rest of their lifespans. If that is a big worry and you live in the US/Canada get XFX cards(Lifetime Warranty), if you live abroad go MSI. The main things I want you to take away from this thread is that quad channel vs dual channel memmory has no bearing on fps, and cannot be noticed outside of synthetic benchmarks. And a 3820 will perform = or worse than an i5 3570k in games while simultaneously being 100 dollars more expensive + 100 dollars more expensive on the motherboard side of the equation. GL with your build, but unless you make money in your "high-end video editing/rendering" I would go with the i5 and render things 20seconds slower pocketing 200 bucks to throw at SSD.

 

[TheBigTroll]

you do notice that a i7 3770k is still faster than the 3820

 

[gustafangus]

you do notice that a i7 3770k is still faster than the 3820

Again with the CPU's... I'll decide on the CPU just please tell me, if having dual cards is stable.

On this thread (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/315156-15-single-dual-cards) they say there are software/hardware compatibility problems, dual gpus have shorter life span...

(this was taken from the thread):

Pros:
-Fast
-Able to add another to get Quad SLI/Crossfire
-Have lots of life in them

Cons:
-When they get outdated its more expensive to replace...
-You can SLI/Crossfire two or more cards and have it equal or rival the dual GPU
-You can only pair two of them together
-Loud
-Hot
-Power Hungry (But most SLI/Crossfire setups are)
-2x the Chance to get a DOA (Two GPU's in there)
-Drivers can be Iffy (Crashes/BSOD's/Stuttering/Ect)...
-Games will see it as a SLI/Crossfire setup, and not all games are able to use SLI/Crossfire

BigTroll, would you reccomend dual gpus?

 

[TheBigTroll]

its stable, but i wouldnt do it. id never recommend 2 weaker video cards over a single stronger GPU