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December 25, 2012 2:45:49 PM

Right, Hi Guys :) 

Basically i need some help, i bought a new computer made by "Medion" and it works fine but i want to upgrade the graphics card on it, but i don't know if my motherboard or other components would be compatible with it.

The graphics card im interested in is;
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Car...

And my Motherboard model is a MS-7658

Also need to know if my case will be able to fit the Graphics card in so here are the measurements;
Width - 180mm
Depth - 390mm
Height - 360mm

My weak area in computing is compatibility and sizing so please help :) 

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Anonymous
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December 25, 2012 3:16:31 PM

this looks like your board:


and considering that GTX 650 isn't any longer than "average" it will fit unless you have a hard drive rack in the way, which would also block the 24 pin power connection . .( or close to it)
December 25, 2012 3:58:32 PM

Ok thanks alot, i will check to see if my hard drive gets in the way, so after that i should be good to go? and do you know whether its definitely compatible or not?
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Anonymous
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December 25, 2012 4:10:44 PM

xVyren said:
Ok thanks alot, i will check to see if my hard drive gets in the way, so after that i should be good to go? and do you know whether its definitely compatible or not?

the motherboard and case ought to be fine but what is your power supply?

that GTX 650 needs:
1x 6-Pin PCI-E Connectors required

granted the card uses ~65 watts at most (which the PCI slot can provide 75 watts) but not having the connector will cause it to be unstable.
December 25, 2012 4:44:11 PM

Anonymous said:
the motherboard and case ought to be fine but what is your power supply?

that GTX 650 needs:
1x 6-Pin PCI-E Connectors required

granted the card uses ~65 watts at most (which the PCI slot can provide 75 watts) but not having the connector will cause it to be unstable.


Ok i just opened up my computer it says i got a 400w psu :S so where do i go from here?
a b U Graphics card
December 25, 2012 4:59:36 PM

you need to upgrade your psu, 400W is not enough.
Anonymous
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December 25, 2012 5:14:26 PM

xVyren said:
Ok i just opened up my computer it says i got a 400w psu :S so where do i go from here?

ok. a few things.

on the label you ought to see the 3.3, 5 and 12 volt amperage.

then what cpu do you have?

even though 400 CAN BE enough; what really matters is how any amps are on the 12 volt rail and what cpu you have. (because both the graphics and cpu uses 12 volts)
December 25, 2012 5:19:45 PM

Simu said:
you need to upgrade your psu, 400W is not enough.


what psu would be suitable??
December 25, 2012 5:23:00 PM

Anonymous said:
ok. a few things.

on the label you ought to see the 3.3, 5 and 12 volt amperage.

then what cpu do you have?

even though 400 CAN BE enough; what really matters is how any amps are on the 12 volt rail and what cpu you have. (because both the graphics and cpu uses 12 volts)


i have a Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU 540 @ 3.07GHz Quad-Core
Anonymous
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December 25, 2012 5:32:32 PM

xVyren said:
i have a Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU 540 @ 3.07GHz Quad-Core

ok you need to have this from the PSU:


i would NOT suggest using one of these:


can you afford this?:
CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 $39.99
$19.99 after $20.00 rebate card

you really need 24+ amps on the 12 volt "rail"


(edit: yes it will fit your case with no worries!)
a b V Motherboard
December 25, 2012 5:32:53 PM

Get any quality PSU Quality > Quantity

Pretty much any *quality* 400+W PSU will do the trick. Don't try to upgrade anything until you get a PSU. I constantly see PSU's die on name brand (think Dell, HP) computers because they cheap out on the PSU. You're also going to have to see what kind fits. Without specifics it's possible yours is a standard, modular, or something else.

First figure out what fits properly (ie doesn't block any air movement, wires, etc) and then figure out what you want to buy. Give us the model of your computer and you'll get better advice.
December 25, 2012 5:47:20 PM

Anonymous said:
ok you need to have this from the PSU:
http://cdn.erodov.net/portal//reviews/guide/pci-e-connector/pci-e-power-connector-2.jpg

i would NOT suggest using one of these:
http://images.tigerdirect.com/itemDetails/s15-9802/S15-9802-call08-ozpr.jpg

can you afford this?:
CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 $39.99
$19.99 after $20.00 rebate card

you really need 24+ amps on the 12 volt "rail"


(edit: yes it will fit your case with no worries!)


So if worst comes to worst and i don't have these connections, do you reckon you could give me a suggestion of a graphics card that is better than an NVIDIA GeForce 310 and fits to these specifications?

Motherboard: MS-7658
RAM: 4GB
CPU: Intel(R) Core i3 CPU 540 @ 3.07Ghz Quad-Core
PSU: 400W

by the way this is what my psu looks like for your info :) 


http://images.pcwelt.de/images/pcwelt/bdb/2042012/800x....



Anonymous
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December 25, 2012 6:07:06 PM

xVyren said:
So if worst comes to worst and i don't have these connections, do you reckon you could give me a suggestion of a graphics card that is better than an NVIDIA GeForce 310 and fits to these specifications?

Motherboard: MS-7658
RAM: 4GB
CPU: Intel(R) Core i3 CPU 540 @ 3.07Ghz Quad-Core
PSU: 400W

by the way this is what my psu looks like for your info :) 


http://images.pcwelt.de/images/pcwelt/bdb/2042012/800x....


you're good to go! :) 
FSP FSP400-60EMDN

not exactly a stellar PSU but far from turning into a flaming brick. btw, it looks like to dies have a 6 pin PEG (or Pci-E graphics) power connection (?)
http://uk.hardware.info/productinfo/112576/fsp-fsp400-6...
Connectors
6 pin PEG 1
December 25, 2012 6:16:53 PM

Anonymous said:
you're good to go! :) 
FSP FSP400-60EMDN

not exactly a stellar PSU but far from turning into a flaming brick. btw, it looks like to dies have a 6 pin PEG (or Pci-E graphics) power connection (?)
http://uk.hardware.info/productinfo/112576/fsp-fsp400-6...
Connectors
6 pin PEG 1


Explain that last bit haha confused me abit, and so are you saying that im good to buy that graphics card or do i need to buy other stuff first? :) 
Anonymous
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December 25, 2012 6:36:47 PM

xVyren said:
Explain that last bit haha confused me abit, and so are you saying that im good to buy that graphics card or do i need to buy other stuff first? :) 

that FSP power supply is ok. on the label is specs 336 watts MAX for the 12 volts combined; that enough for you to get a 650.

and it looks like it ought to have one of these to power the card (repost)

^
Connectors 6 pin PEG 1

the "review" i found has it @ 81.5% efficiency, not all that great but it isn't the junk i feared it to be.; i expected a horrible "no name" PSU in that.


in other words, no need to buy anything . . .
December 25, 2012 6:44:38 PM

Anonymous said:
that FSP power supply is ok. on the label is specs 336 watts MAX for the 12 volts combined; that enough for you to get a 650.

and it looks like it ought to have one of these to power the card (repost)
http://cdn.erodov.net/portal//reviews/guide/pci-e-connector/pci-e-power-connector-2.jpg
^
Connectors 6 pin PEG 1

the "review" i found has it @ 81.5% efficiency, not all that great but it isn't the junk i feared it to be.; i expected a horrible "no name" PSU in that.


in other words, no need to buy anything . . .


Thanks mate you have been a massive help, so if i check to see if it has one of those connections, i'll be alright to order it? and just incase, if i put the GTX650 in my computer and it doesnt work what happens then? will it have caused problems to my computer? :) 
Anonymous
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December 25, 2012 7:46:15 PM

xVyren said:
Thanks mate you have been a massive help, so if i check to see if it has one of those connections, i'll be alright to order it? and just incase, if i put the GTX650 in my computer and it doesnt work what happens then? will it have caused problems to my computer? :) 

you'll be fine.

if you install the card and it does not work, i am 99.9% sure no harm will come to your system (0.1% for an act of god.) the screen will just stay black.
December 25, 2012 7:53:18 PM

Anonymous said:
you'll be fine.

if you install the card and it does not work, i am 99.9% sure no harm will come to your system (0.1% for an act of god.) the screen will just stay black.


Alright mate thanks again looks like im ordering me a GTX650 :D 

So to verify, im not buying anything else (because i dont need to), my psu is sufficient to run the 650, it all will fit fine in the case, the motherboard will be compatible, no harm will come to my system if *** hits the fan? and i will be able to put the 310 back in? :)  :pt1cable: 
Anonymous
a c 117 U Graphics card
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December 25, 2012 8:25:42 PM

yes, yes, yes, yes, yes and yes.
December 25, 2012 8:38:31 PM

Anonymous said:
yes, yes, yes, yes, yes and yes.


Alright then, thanks for the help buddy and enjoy christmas! (if you celebrate it i dunno :D  ) :bounce:  :pt1cable: 
Anonymous
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December 25, 2012 9:43:08 PM

you're welcome and merry christmas.
December 26, 2012 12:49:54 AM

Sorry back again, haha i just thought of a new problem basically my psu and graphics card will be very close and there might be a problem with air flow? any suggestions? lol
Anonymous
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December 26, 2012 2:31:28 AM

that is just a 650, not like a 480 that was like putting a small oven in a cabinet, it'll be fine.
December 26, 2012 9:24:01 AM

I was thinking more of the psu's fans are going down and obviously the graphics card will be going up and since they will be abit close will that effect anything? :) 
Anonymous
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December 26, 2012 2:06:21 PM

there won't be a problem the 650; isn't a hot card so the overall cabinet temp won't change and if i see it in my mind's eye correctly, with both fans being across from each other blowing in opposite directions, it just may draw more air in between them.
December 26, 2012 2:08:45 PM

Thanks alot, im ordering it now, i can see why your expert rank haha
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