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February 11, 2013 8:29:46 PM

EITHER:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wdmz OR http://pcpartpicker.com/p/vi9g

This is what I have so far... I'm wondering if there is ANY upgrades, or anything else that can happen in the build without raising the price by much!

I don't know really much about computers at all - keep this in mind.. I play WoW a lot, league, etc.. Wanting to get into games with better graphics such as cod, bf3, crysis, etc..

Thank you!!!

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February 11, 2013 8:43:14 PM

Gregmillr said:
EITHER:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wdmz OR http://pcpartpicker.com/p/vi9g

This is what I have so far... I'm wondering if there is ANY upgrades, or anything else that can happen in the build without raising the price by much!

I don't know really much about computers at all - keep this in mind.. I play WoW a lot, league, etc.. Wanting to get into games with better graphics such as cod, bf3, crysis, etc..

Thank you!!!


Check online if u have any Microcenter store nearby. if yes then check my build u'll surprise that only adding $20 would give u i7 cpu as well gtx 660 and better psu

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/384549-31-gaming-buil...
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February 11, 2013 8:53:36 PM

Yeah I've been told that, I don't have one around though.
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February 11, 2013 9:02:12 PM

I strongly suggest bumping up to the Asrock extreme 4 over the pro3. you get an 8+2 phase voltage regulator instead of the 4+1 on the pro3 (much more stable overclocking, and a cooler running board), and a second pci-e 3.0 slot, if you ever decide to xfire in a 2nd 7850.

besides that, eithe rbuild is good.

cheers!
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February 11, 2013 9:06:59 PM

That's adding another $70~ to the build, anything else I could do?
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February 11, 2013 9:09:06 PM

I like the mobo on the first build better as well as the 3570k processor. You should not need an i7 unless doing allot more than gaming.
I would see what kind of deal you can find on a psu made by corsair or antec or maybe seasonic. You may be fine with the power cooling or xfx, but the three brands I mentioned are more popular with builders for their stability and long life.
Also unless you are already familiar with radeon gpu's I would, as a new builder, go with the nvidea product, as the catalyst software for radeon can sometimes be hard to get working correctly.
I like the ssd for the system drive and the hdd for storage, You should see a signifigant difference in boot time and response time in general by using an ssd.
I built a pc last year with Asrock extr3 gen3 z68 and an 120g sandisk extreme and ended up with a system that went from pushbutton to desktop in 12 seconds consistantly.

I agree about the extreme4 above...
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February 11, 2013 9:09:30 PM

just stick with the 3570k and overclock it. and you may want to check out the 7870 LE/7870 XT since its as fast a $300 660ti but cost just under $240.
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February 12, 2013 6:10:38 PM

I emailed my local computer store, and they said this: "I would tell you to get a bigger case, that CPU fan is BIG and will not fit in that case, go with a FULL TOWER case, also I would suggest going with 1- 1 TB HD and going with a SSD 120 GB or so solid state HD for your boot drive it make a big difference on performance.
PAY MORE FOR THE BOARD!!!! Go with the bigger one."

Are they correct? I told them I probably will switch for the extreme4
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February 12, 2013 6:55:18 PM

Gregmillr said:
I emailed my local computer store, and they said this: "I would tell you to get a bigger case, that CPU fan is BIG and will not fit in that case, go with a FULL TOWER case, also I would suggest going with 1- 1 TB HD and going with a SSD 120 GB or so solid state HD for your boot drive it make a big difference on performance.
PAY MORE FOR THE BOARD!!!! Go with the bigger one."

Are they correct? I told them I probably will switch for the extreme4


The only 1155 boards anyone should buy for an SLI/Crossfire build is the g45 from MSI or the ASRock Extreme4. Anything else is wasting money that could be going into SLI 660s/7850s.

-Prax :sol: 

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February 12, 2013 6:59:26 PM

So should I keep my current build?? Or should I do what they said and get a bigger case, etc..
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February 12, 2013 7:03:20 PM

Gregmillr said:
I emailed my local computer store, and they said this: "I would tell you to get a bigger case, that CPU fan is BIG and will not fit in that case, go with a FULL TOWER case, also I would suggest going with 1- 1 TB HD and going with a SSD 120 GB or so solid state HD for your boot drive it make a big difference on performance.
PAY MORE FOR THE BOARD!!!! Go with the bigger one."

Are they correct? I told them I probably will switch for the extreme4


They're right about the motherboard and wrong about the case.

You won't be able to put a side fan over the spot that the CPU cooler is, but the cooler will certainly fit in the case. Hell...at least one of the reviews of the redbone on newegg is using that cooler already. You'd think the computer store would have actually checked before telling you that.

If you want the best gaming performance for your money, leave out the ssd (for now). On a $900 budget for a gaming system, you're best served pouring as much as possible into GPU & CPU. Use a single HDD.

An SSD speeds up windows load times, and loading times for any games/software you put on it. It does not increase in-game performance. On top of that, it doesn't help at all with multiplayer game load times, since you'll just be waiting for other players to load anyway before the round/dungeon/whatever can start.
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February 12, 2013 7:04:20 PM

Oh okay, so what should this new build be with all this in mind?
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February 12, 2013 7:06:06 PM

Gregmillr said:
Oh okay, so what should this new build be with all this in mind?


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($223.79 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G45 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.31 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($76.97 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Inwin Fanqua ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $890.99
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-12 16:04 EST-0500)

And if that's too much, change the card to a gtx 660, over the 660Ti. Both own the 7850 in benchmarks. If you want to save money and downgrade to the 660, get this model

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

-Prax :sol: 
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February 12, 2013 7:14:02 PM

is it true that the 660ti has low bandwidth memory? would AMD be a better choice?
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February 12, 2013 7:23:04 PM

Gregmillr said:
is it true that the 660ti has low bandwidth memory? would AMD be a better choice?


Definitely not, the 660 outperforms the 7850 in single, and SLI configurations; The 660Ti outperforms the 7850, obviously the 660 outperforms the 7850, along with the 7870 in single, and SLI configurations.

This will give you some numbers if you like:
http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/pc-mac/pc-component...

-Prax :sol: 
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February 12, 2013 7:37:08 PM

Something along the lines of:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($223.79 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($194.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill REDBONE U3 ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($65.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)

Total: $815.68 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

Prax's build is decent, but I would stayaway from the Corsair Builder series. They're poorly-built CWT units, with the exception of the CX430, are somewhat shoddy quality and poorly reviewed. They're not cataclysmically awful, but the 430 is the only builder series PSU I would recommend in any system.

The 660ti is a good card - it has clipped memory bandwidth compared to the 670, because that's essintially what it is, a lower clocked, lower bandwidth 670. It does struggle a bit when your resolution goes above 1920x1080, but at that resolution, it does well.
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February 12, 2013 7:43:22 PM

Praxeology said:
Definitely not, the 660 outperforms the 7850 in single, and SLI configurations; The 660Ti outperforms the 7850, obviously the 660 outperforms the 7850, along with the 7870 in single, and SLI configurations.

This will give you some numbers if you like:
http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/pc-mac/pc-component...


Actually, yes it does. As I explained earlier, the 660ti has a 192 bit memory bus (as does the 660), compared to the 256 bit bus of the 670, 7850 and the 7870.

However, this doesn't really affect the cards performance until you reach resolutions beyond 1920x1080. If you have a 2560x1440 monitor, or other higher res setup, you'll see the 660ti's performance start to degrade. At 1920x1080, however, the card does very well.

Also the 660 outperforms a 7850, but not a 7870.

At the same time ,the 7850 is cheaper thanthe 660 (likewise, the 7870 is cheaper than the 660ti). AMD is running a series promo right now, offering the new bioshock and tomb raider games free when you buy a 7800 series card, and if you buy a 7900 series card, you get crysis 3 and bioshock:infinte free.

Nvidia is running a counter promotion, but imo, it's pretty weak in comparison. You get $150 of in game currency to use in Hawken, World of Tanks, or Planetside 2.
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February 12, 2013 7:44:59 PM

quilciri said:
Something along the lines of:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($223.79 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($194.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill REDBONE U3 ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($65.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)

Total: $815.68 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

Prax's build is decent, but I would stayaway from the Corsair Builder series. They're poorly-built CWT units, with the exception of the CX430, are somewhat shoddy quality and poorly reviewed. They're not cataclysmically awful, but the 430 is the only builder series PSU I would recommend in any system.

The 660ti is a good card - it has clipped memory bandwidth compared to the 670, because that's essintially what it is, a lower clocked, lower bandwidth 670. It does struggle a bit when your resolution goes above 1920x1080, but at that resolution, it does well.



If it's wise to get an upgrade from that video card, I could pay around 40 dollars more or so if there's a better card?.. Would this be a good idea
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February 12, 2013 7:47:26 PM

quilciri said:


Prax's build is decent, but I would stayaway from the Corsair Builder series. They're poorly-built CWT units, with the exception of the CX430, are somewhat shoddy quality and poorly reviewed. They're not cataclysmically awful, but the 430 is the only builder series PSU I would recommend in any system.

The 660ti is a good card - it has clipped memory bandwidth compared to the 670, because that's essintially what it is, a lower clocked, lower bandwidth 670. It does struggle a bit when your resolution goes above 1920x1080, but at that resolution, it does well.


The main point to drill into everyones head is that both the 660/660Ti outperform the 7850, and the 7870(Only the 660Ti outperforms it though). As far as corsair psu being bad... No... I understand what you're saying but they are fine and I would take it anyday over the xfx psu that like to die 9 months in.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 59% is excellent 5star

-Prax :sol: 
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February 12, 2013 7:50:06 PM

quilciri said:
Actually, yes it does. As I explained earlier, the 660ti has a 192 bit memory bus (as does the 660), compared to the 256 bit bus of the 670, 7850 and the 7870.

However, this doesn't really affect the cards performance until you reach resolutions beyond 1920x1080. If you have a 2560x1440 monitor, or other higher res setup, you'll see the 660ti's performance start to degrade. At 1920x1080, however, the card does very well.


Stop cherry picking nonsense. The question wasn't "does the 660Ti have less bandwidth than a 670 or 680," it was "I heard the 660Ti has low bandwidth, should I go amd?" Get back to the thread. 660/660Ti is the two cards that should be had in this build because they outperform AMD alternatives at all resolutions.

-Prax :sol: 
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February 12, 2013 7:51:15 PM

Gregmillr said:
If it's wise to get an upgrade from that video card, I could pay around 40 dollars more or so if there's a better card?.. Would this be a good idea


Yes its a good idea to spend the 40$ for the Ti, is there a better card within in budget no. Either the MSI 660Ti in the PCPartPicker build I linked, or the 660 newegg link I provided in the original post.

-Prax :sol: 
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February 12, 2013 7:52:10 PM

Praxeology said:
Stop cherry picking nonsense. The question wasn't "does the 660Ti have less bandwidth than a 670 or 680," it was "I heard the 660Ti has low bandwidth, should I go amd?" Get back to the thread. 660/660Ti is the two cards that should be had in this build because they outperform AMD alternatives at all resolutions.


Read it again, he asked about memory bandwidth. I described exactly what having a 192 bit bus will do, and why the 660 and 660ti are still good cards if you're gaming at 1920x1080.
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February 12, 2013 7:58:58 PM

And as long as I'm on it, to clarify one of your earlier statements.

the 660 (non ti) outperforms the 7850, but not the 7870.

However, the AMD cards are cheaper than the respective NVIDIA cards. On top of that, AMD is running a promo right now. You get Bioshock:infinite and the new tomb raider free when you buy a 7800 series, and if you buy a 7900 series, you get Crysis 3 and Bioshock:infinite free.

Nividia's counter promotion is relatively weak, imho. If you buy a 660 or greater, you get $150 of in-game currency that you can use in Hawken, World of Tanks, or Planetside 2.
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February 12, 2013 8:04:49 PM

Gregmillr said:
If it's wise to get an upgrade from that video card, I could pay around 40 dollars more or so if there's a better card?.. Would this be a good idea


I'd suggest the 7870. It can be picked up for $225. the cheapest 660ti will run you $260, at which point you may as well pick up a 7950 for $275. Once again, the AMD cards come with games (Bioshock: inifinite, and either Crysis 3 or the new tomb raider). Nvidia cards come with $150 of virtual currency you can use in Hawken, World of Tanks, or Planetside 2.
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February 12, 2013 8:18:01 PM

Revised build w/7870

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($223.79 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($224.98 @ Newegg) Case: Rosewill REDBONE U3 ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($65.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)

Total: $845.67 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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February 12, 2013 9:01:03 PM

quilciri said:
And as long as I'm on it, to clarify one of your earlier statements.

the 660 (non ti) outperforms the 7850, but not the 7870.

However, the AMD cards are cheaper than the respective NVIDIA cards. On top of that, AMD is running a promo right now. You get Bioshock:infinite and the new tomb raider free when you buy a 7800 series, and if you buy a 7900 series, you get Crysis 3 and Bioshock:infinite free.

Nividia's counter promotion is relatively weak, imho. If you buy a 660 or greater, you get $150 of in-game currency that you can use in Hawken, World of Tanks, or Planetside 2.


quilciri said:
Prax's build is decent, but I would stayaway from the Corsair Builder series. They're poorly-built CWT units, with the exception of the CX430, are somewhat shoddy quality and poorly reviewed. They're not cataclysmically awful, but the 430 is the only builder series PSU I would recommend in any system.


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As far as corsair psu being bad... No... I understand what you're saying but they are fine and I would take it anyday over the xfx psu that like to die 9 months in. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 59% is an excellent 5star

I think your advice is just wrong. Consistantly wrong it seems.

No, no and no @ 660 < 7870. 660 beats the 7870 badly, or it ties. The marketplace releases games that are nvidia optimized, and games that require nvidia technology like planetside 2 with physx play badly on AMD. Bad advice above. Get the 660, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168....

Here are some graphs.
Beats it by 20fps

Ties

Beats it by 30 fps

ties

Beats it by 10fps


-Prax :sol: 
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February 12, 2013 11:54:48 PM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/DaoW

this is the new build someone on the forums gave me..I think I'm going with the gtx 660 ti instead though - I'm not 100% sure.

EDIT: Also probably getting the extreme4 over the pro3 mobo
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February 12, 2013 11:59:38 PM

Gregmillr said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/DaoW

this is the new build someone on the forums gave me..I think I'm going with the gtx 660 ti instead though - I'm not 100% sure.

EDIT: Also probably getting the extreme4 over the pro3 mobo


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G45 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($218.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Inwin Fanqua ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $869.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-12 20:57 EST-0500)

Take this build and buy it, it's the best for the money, I promise. Select a best answer and /thread this topic ya?

-Prax :sol: 

And here is the 660Ti Version

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($223.79 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G45 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.31 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($76.97 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Inwin Fanqua ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $890.99
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-12 16:04 EST-0500)
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February 13, 2013 12:53:23 AM

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February 13, 2013 2:51:41 AM

Praxeology said:
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No, no and no @ 660 < 7870. 660 beats the 7870 badly, or it ties. The marketplace releases games that are nvidia optimized, and games that require nvidia technology like planetside 2 with physx play badly on AMD. Bad advice above. Get the 660, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168....



How about just posting a link, instead of spamming charts from a single site's review? Your opinion conflicts with tom's own review of the 660. Acc. to tom's hardware, 7870 > 660

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-gef...

and wow about the PSU comment. You just said a CWT built unit (corsair cx series), and a cheap one at that, is better than a Seasonic built unit (All xfx PSU's). excuse me while the whole of tom's hardware laughs at that.

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February 13, 2013 2:59:12 AM

quilciri said:
How about just posting a link, instead of spamming charts from a single site's review? Your opinion conflicts with tom's own review of the 660. Acc. to tom's hardware, 7870 > 660

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-gef...

and wow about the PSU comment. You just said a CWT built unit (corsair cx series), and a cheap one at that, is better than a Seasonic built unit (All xfx PSU's). excuse me while the whole of tom's hardware laughs at that.


LOL this guy, links 1 graph where the 7870 wins by 5 fps over the 660 and claims victory. Whatever helps you sleep at night bro, and yes that corsair psu is better for the price then that xfx, seasonic didn't make the psu, if they did it would say seasonic. There is a difference, regardless of what you say. This thread has been solved, have a good day, :lol: 

-Prax :sol: 
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February 13, 2013 7:53:21 PM

Praxeology said:
LOL this guy, links 1 graph where the 7870 wins by 5 fps over the 660 and claims victory. Whatever helps you sleep at night bro, and yes that corsair psu is better for the price then that xfx, seasonic didn't make the psu, if they did it would say seasonic. There is a difference, regardless of what you say. This thread has been solved, have a good day, :lol: 

-Prax


and there goes any shred of credibilty you had left.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-oem-ma...

I don't know if you're intentionally spreading buillshit, or if you're just trying to cover up things you know nothing about with bravado, but either way, you're hurting anyone looking for actual information here.

FYI, seasonic makes PSU's for several companies besides XFX.
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February 13, 2013 8:33:48 PM

Aren't they pretty much both the same..? There's very little difference from what it seems. Are they both compatible with the build?
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February 13, 2013 8:44:44 PM

Difference between what? The PSU's or the video cards?
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February 13, 2013 8:48:26 PM

quilciri said:
Difference between what? The PSU's or the video cards?


the video cards. Seems like they're pretty much on par with each other.
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February 13, 2013 8:53:49 PM

Gregmillr said:
the video cards. Seems like they're pretty much on par with each other.


You're correct. I'd suggest making a list of the games you want to play, and looking at benchmarks for how each card performs in those games specifically. That will give you a much better idea of which card is best for you than any debate here or anywhere else.
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February 14, 2013 12:12:32 AM

quilciri said:
and there goes any shred of credibilty you had left.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-oem-ma...

I don't know if you're intentionally spreading buillshit, or if you're just trying to cover up things you know nothing about with bravado, but either way, you're hurting anyone looking for actual information here.

FYI, seasonic makes PSU's for several companies besides XFX.


I am perfectly aware that Seasonic provides components for other companies that end up being those company's power supplies. With that said, I believe the only company you should buy a psu from is Corsair/Seasonic; There is a difference between each company's end-product despite the similar, and often times, same source components. Most brand named psu units are not even made by the brand company, but simply assembled/modified by that company, such as the relationship between Corsair and Channel Well. The difference shows in the end product's reliability, which is why (Regardless of the base component's source) Corsair/Seasonic power supplies the only companies I recommend anyone purchasing from; If you disagree, that's ok too :pt1cable:  . I already replied with a post specifically addressing the original psu "debate," if you can even call it that, of the corsair 500 build series psu the OP bought, vs your xfx series which was 40$ more by saying "Yes, that Corsair psu is better for the price compared to the xfx variant," condensing the above statements. For a solved thread, you certainly like to push buttons and name call, which I don't particularly find admirable, especially when it makes you look unintelligent.

-Prax :sol: 
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February 14, 2013 12:44:21 AM

just noticed that the case has no front ports - is there any options? Also, why this MSI mobo over the pro3?
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February 14, 2013 12:55:41 AM

Praxeology said:
I am perfectly aware that Seasonic provides components for other companies that end up being those company's power supplies. :


Praxeology said:
seasonic didn't make the psu, if they did it would say seasonic.


...yeah....real aware.

Now that your credibility has been shattered you're trying to backpedal. What you posted here is still bullshit. The entire PSU is built by seasonic, they don't "provide components". XFX comissions the PSU's from Seasonic.
Many upper end PSU aren't even changed from Seasonic's lineup - there are some units of other sellers that are rebranded s12ii's (and m12ii's)

The reviews of the corsair builder series are overwhelmingly bad, with the exception of the CX430. Every XFX PSU review so far has had good reviews in the vast majority. I think I'll take Jonnyguru's, tomshardware, anandtech, techpowerup's, etc PSU advice over yours.

No one called you any names. I said you're spreading bullshit.

Praxeology said:
Corsair/Seasonic power supplies the only companies I recommend anyone purchasing from; If you disagree, that's ok too :pt1cable: 


The whole of professional-reviewerdom disagrees with you, too.
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February 14, 2013 12:58:19 AM

Gregmillr said:
just noticed that the case has no front ports - is there any options? Also, why this MSI mobo over the pro3?


No idea. I don't know why he would pair a motherboard with only a 4+2 phase regulator with an upper-end unlocked CPU. not much benefit over the pro3. Just one more thing he did that makes no sense.
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February 14, 2013 1:02:10 AM

Gregmillr said:
just noticed that the case has no front ports - is there any options? Also, why this MSI mobo over the pro3?


The case does have front ports, the IN WIN USB / Audio / e-SATA Front Ports to be exact. Why the MSI motherboard over the pro 3 is an easy answer. The pro 3 has a 46% 5 star and an 18% 1 star; It only has 1 pci-e 3, making sli/crossfire nerfed hard @ 2.1x 4 for the future, and I just generally prefer MSI boards/cards for OC genie/unlocked voltages. ASRock Extreme4 is a better comparison for the g45 and that board is fine also; Asus cards are also good too, as long as they are 2-fan models and have a nice price-point.

-Prax :sol: 
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February 14, 2013 1:05:15 AM

Sadly, the build with the z77 Pro3 and 7870 XT is better than the wtf MSI and Inwin case haha.

Prax. Stop spreading crap. Seasonic is an OEM. OEM makes PSUs for other companies and other companies rebrand them as their own.

So it's a Seasonic unit in everything except name.
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February 14, 2013 1:13:56 AM

quilciri said:
You're aware? then why did you say seasonic didn't build the XFX PSU's? You're doing very poor backpedaling here now that your credibility has been shattered. What you posted here is still misinformation. The entire PSU is built by seasonic, they don't just "provide components". XFX comissions the PSU's from Seasonic. LRN2google.

The reviews of the corsair builder series are overwhelmingly bad, with the exception of the CX430. Every XFX PSU review so far has had good reviews in the vast majority. I think I'll take Jonnyguru's, tomshardware, anandtech, techpowerup's, etc PSU advice over yours.

No one called you any names. I said you're spreading bullshit.


I said Seasonic didn't build the psu, because if they did it would say Seasonic, and told you that there was a difference between the two. Seasonic provided components for the xfx power supply, but xfx name is on, and they put the finishing magic on it. With your logic, Corsair doesn't build their reliable psu, Channel Well did or Seasonic. And to a certain extent you are right in that they didn't build the components they got from cw/ss. But in the extent that matters, Corsair and XFX, or any other company for that matter, plays the major role in their product's reliability.

I am not backpedaling anything, nor has my "credibility been shattered;" There is just not understanding generalizations. The reviews of the corsair builder series, for the one I recommeneded to the OP anyway, has a 59% 5 star rating, which is not bad, and neither is the other models. All of those website's advice would agree with me in that only buying Corsair/Seasonic psu's would lead to a better building experience.
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February 14, 2013 1:16:51 AM

cutebeans said:
Sadly, the build with the z77 Pro3 and 7870 XT is better than the wtf MSI and Inwin case haha.

Prax. Stop spreading crap. Seasonic is an OEM. OEM makes PSUs for other companies and other companies rebrand them as their own.

So it's a Seasonic unit in everything except name.


I don't argue that Seasonic is the source of the components, I argue that the final product corsair/xfx send out plays an important role in psu reliability, and will take the corsair over that xfx unit everytime. Especially when it's cheaper.

-Prax :sol: 
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February 14, 2013 1:18:43 AM

Gregmillr said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/DpxO thoughts?


Bad cooling setup in that case, but if you really need usb 3.0, it is better than the IN WIN case I recommend which only has USB 2.0. The PSU is a roll of the dice. Depending on your luck the build is solid.

-Prax :sol: 
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February 14, 2013 1:19:43 AM

Praxeology said:
Why the MSI motherboard over the pro 3 is an easy answer. The pro 3 has a 46% 5 star and an 18% 1 star;


And herein lies the problem. You based your recommendation off of user reviews in which the majority can barely put together a PC, let alone analyze motherboard quality at a component level.

Seriously, I have doubts they or you could tell the difference between an iron choke and a ferrite choke.....or that you even know what I'm talking about.
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February 14, 2013 1:20:47 AM

Praxeology said:
I said Seasonic didn't build the psu, because if they did it would say Seasonic, and told you that there was a difference between the two. Seasonic provided components for the xfx power supply, but xfx name is on, and they put the finishing magic on it. .


Praxeology said:
I don't argue that Seasonic is the source of the components, I argue that the final product corsair/xfx send out plays an important role in psu reliability, and will take the corsair over that xfx unit everytime. Especially when it's cheaper.


wow, just wow. Your tenacity in clinging to your story is admirable.

if by "finishing magic" you mean a sticker, then sure. Otherwise it was all Seasonic. give it up, man.

Seasonic does not provide "components". That is more bullshit. The entire PSU is built as Seasonic plants. That is exactly what original equipment manufacturer means.
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February 14, 2013 1:23:21 AM

quilciri said:
wow, just wow.

if by "finishing magic" you mean a sticker, then sure. Otherwise it was all Seasonic. give it up, man.


Quality control could be a better definition of finishing magic, but we can go with a sticker, sure. Argue as you might Seasonic PSU say Seasonic, and XFX PSU say XFX. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. Just as there is a difference between a Corsair PSU(coming from Channel Well) and every other Channel Well rebranded psu.

-Prax :sol: 
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