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December 27, 2012 8:30:55 PM


Hello,
Love the site, should have joined a long time ago, its time to update the rig, so far I am looking at http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BU...

for the mother board and cpu (basically i5 3570k clocked at 4.6 with 16gib ram already got a 700watt psu and a full size case.

My question is two fold, I play the likes of skyrim, civ, strategy games and fps on a 1080p screen, using a old e6700 and a gtx460 soc gigabyte card, a lot of cpu bottle neck these days.

So I think the mobo and cpu choice is sound, but its all comes down to the gpu now.

Should I spend £300 and get the best I can (always been a nvidia child, so am a little biased) or go down the road of a mid range £150-£200. Would I see a difference between a 670 vs a 680? (now thrice fold question).

Any advice would help as I seem to be at a cross roads.

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December 27, 2012 8:48:17 PM

The only game that is really highly demanding on a graphics card is Skyrim. In some cases those who run addons/texture packs/mods will use up video ram pretty quickly. However, in question between the 680 and the 670 I would say that there is a very small difference between the two. You will get added performance with the 680 the cuda core count is higher. At most you would see a 10 FPS increase in some areas but nothing really to warrant the extra cost for going to a 680. The better value is the 670. I would pick up a 7970 ghz edition before picking up a 680
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December 27, 2012 9:15:48 PM

I'd go with a 7950 GPU for around $260ish if you have to tighten the budget, but the GTX 670 is a smarter purchase than the GTX 680, IMHO.
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December 27, 2012 9:18:30 PM

Well he isn't looking at cards in the United States he is looking at European prices sir.
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December 28, 2012 12:21:32 AM

the 660Ti might be the best bang for the buck in the nvida GPU world right now.
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December 28, 2012 12:41:30 AM

^Nope. The bandwidth causes problems if he ever goes SLI or runs higher-end games on a large resolution. 670 is still where it's at.
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December 28, 2012 12:45:31 AM

I agree if its between the 670 and the 680 I would say the 670 you get near the same performance and you save a pretty penny in the process.
December 28, 2012 1:19:07 PM

Get the 670 since your a nvidia fanboy
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December 28, 2012 1:51:03 PM

popatim said:
the 660Ti might be the best bang for the buck in the nvida GPU world right now.

No, it's not - the GTX 660 is. And if you wait a week or two, one should drop to $199 or so.

Can't deny the GTX 670 is amazing, though. Even though it's a better deal than the GTX 680, it still costs too much - should be priced about $300 for the performance bump over the GTX 660.
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December 28, 2012 2:30:36 PM

DarkSable said:
^Nope. The bandwidth causes problems if he ever goes SLI or runs higher-end games on a large resolution. 670 is still where it's at.

Such as? I only ask because I'm running SLi'd 660Ti's and I haven't seen any problems, so what problems am I supposed to be seeing? :heink: 
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December 28, 2012 4:54:34 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Such as? I only ask because I'm running SLi'd 660Ti's and I haven't seen any problems, so what problems am I supposed to be seeing? :heink: 

+1

The only disadvantage I've seen anywhere was in Tom's review that tested the bandwidth limitations and found a larger performance dropoff when enabling 4x and especially 8x MSAA. Nvidia's incredible performance in games has completely changed my mind on the 192-bit bus issue.
December 28, 2012 5:10:11 PM

Some good feedback here, thanks all. Think the 670 has got it for me, might wait a few weeks see if the price comes down.
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December 28, 2012 6:40:20 PM

It could very well drop but it is unclear if because the holiday sales typically bring prices down and then they go up for a few months before dropping again because of something new or because of age.
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December 28, 2012 7:29:07 PM

I'd definitely vote GTX670 since you can afford it, though +1 to jester about the GTX660 being the absolute best value. In Britain, the best warranties come from EVGA - three years standard, extended to five or ten years if you register your details within 30 days of purchase. Something to keep in mind if your card dies in 8 years or something, EVGA will replace it with its future equivalent. Second best is PNY with three years and then Gigabyte with three, but from date of manufacture. Some good retailers:

scan.co.uk
dabs.com
aria.co.uk
ebuyer.com
novatech.co.uk
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December 28, 2012 7:44:31 PM

Warranty and customer service are another thing EVGA is amazing with both as you said PNY is a bit iffy and I know for sure Gigabyte is meh! 4 week turn around on a card that goes bad no thank you! Well at least that is what its like in the states.
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December 28, 2012 7:49:05 PM

What's the problem with PNY? Same as Gigabyte with being slow for replacements?
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December 28, 2012 7:57:31 PM

They gave me a hassle with a 8800gt that I had it wasn't beyond its warranty but because I had a mail in rebate with the card they wouldn't take my card back and fix it. Pretty dumb stuff I'm sure its quite possible there PR has improved since then but I wouldn't go with them. And kind of the same thing with Gigabyte only reason I have there version of the 670 is because of how highly rated it is by people. Otherwise I would of had a EVGA or ASUS Card.
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December 28, 2012 8:04:05 PM

So rebate voids warranty with PNY? That's messed up.
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December 28, 2012 8:34:12 PM

I have no idea if that is still the case but that is what happened with me. I felt kicked in the go nads at the time I had switched to team RED ATi and went with a 4770 great little card. I eventually came back to Nvidia with my 2x 560 Ti's and now 670. But it just goes to show that customer service and care are very important things. ASUS I feel does a great job with there monitor support but I'm not sure with there graphic cards if they could reach out to the graphic side of things with the energy they do with there monitors they would rival EVGA but at this point EVGA Customer service numero uno.
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December 28, 2012 8:54:32 PM

Yeah my next card will be EVGA for that reason (including warranty). The fact that the card could die after eight years and EVGA would replace it with its 2021 equivalent is awesome.
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December 28, 2012 9:02:40 PM

indeed sure there cards may not be the quietest may not overclock the highest or even be the coolest but you know down the line evga will have your back most deff!
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December 28, 2012 9:11:16 PM

bigshootr8 said:
indeed sure there cards may not be the quietest may not overclock the highest or even be the coolest but you know down the line evga will have your back most deff!

People used to say that about BFG until they went under, just a thought.
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December 28, 2012 9:21:37 PM

God bringing out the super old companies :)  Loved BFG by the way a shame what happened to them but certainly you couldn't think that of EVGA they have been around for longer and I can't see them falling under that trap. Unless companies start providing what they do best support in the graphic card market I just don't see it.
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December 28, 2012 9:26:53 PM

What trap? Also could you rephrase that last sentence? :-)
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December 28, 2012 9:30:06 PM

Well what I mean is that I don't see them going under because they position themselves quite well for consumers to purchase there products it became harder for BFG to become profitable in the end. Basically I'm saying that if companies like asus who have a service called ARR which means when your monitor goes bad they will replace it you send it in and as you send it in they send you one back that would be better then what EVGA does or what viewsonic used to do with there monitors they would send you a new one and when you got the new one you put the old one in the box and sent it back for free if I'm not mistaken. I'm saying that because companies have yet to match them in terms of service they will be around for a long time going forward.
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December 28, 2012 9:35:56 PM

You clearly have a good knowledge of returns procedures with these companies. It would be great if this kind of information about all the tech hardware manufacturers could be complied into a single reference. My girlfriend was telling me yesterday that there's some EU regulation that all electrical goods have to be covered for six years regardless of what the manufacturer states the warranty to be. Would be really interesting to know if it applies to computer hardware...
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December 28, 2012 9:44:33 PM

Gosh I have no idea how it would apply. I would think it would be less well at least in the states it would be less its quite expensive to insure a product for that long unless you put in the money for the product for example my CORSAIR AX850 PSU cost inwards around 160 dollars on sale and has a 7 year warranty I believe so I would imagine if you spend 20 dollars you shouldn't get a double lifetime warranty :p  I just know what is good customer service and what is not.

But circling back to the OP the 670 you don't need to label him as a Nvidia fanboy there are things both companies do quite well right now the 670 is a better bargain. then the 7970 on the premise of price and performance you are paying a smaller amount for performance that you will feel where as you wouldn't feel the difference with a 7970 unless you were using a higher then 1080p resolution display or a multi monitor setup which in either case you would probably want a crossfire or sli setup anyway.
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December 28, 2012 9:50:46 PM

bigshootr8 said:
...you wouldn't feel the difference with a 7970 unless you were using a higher then 1080p resolution display or a multi monitor setup which in either case you would probably want a crossfire or sli setup anyway.


+1 to that.
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December 28, 2012 9:56:09 PM

bigshootr8 said:
God bringing out the super old companies :)  Loved BFG by the way a shame what happened to them but certainly you couldn't think that of EVGA they have been around for longer and I can't see them falling under that trap. Unless companies start providing what they do best support in the graphic card market I just don't see it.


Any company can go belly up, none of them are immune.
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December 28, 2012 10:00:51 PM

Well sure any company can but EVGA I'm sure is in the green in terms of profit.
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December 28, 2012 10:10:24 PM

bigshootr8 said:
Well sure any company can but EVGA I'm sure is in the green in terms of profit.

Let's hope so. The other company to remember is XFX, look at all the happy customers they had when they and Nvidia went their separate ways. The "Double lifetime" warranty on my 8800GT Alpha Dogs isn't worth squat now as they can't replace my Nvidia card with an Nvidia card.
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December 28, 2012 10:14:46 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Let's hope so. The other company to remember is XFX, look at all the happy customers they had when they and Nvidia went their separate ways. The "Double lifetime" warranty on my 8800GT Alpha Dogs isn't worth squat now as they can't replace my Nvidia card with an Nvidia card.


That really sucks. Dya reckon they'd replace it with a Radeon or refuse to honour the warranty?
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December 28, 2012 10:21:31 PM

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That really sucks. Dya reckon they'd replace it with a Radeon or refuse to honour the warranty?

They would most likely offer some crappy low end AMD card but that's not the point, when I bought the cards the "insurance" by way of the warranty led me to believe that in the event of an RMA it would be more of a like for like replacement but that 'aint the case no more is it?
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December 28, 2012 10:25:02 PM

Right, another company that is like this is ABIT if you remember them was a real shame when they went out of business.
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December 28, 2012 10:34:52 PM

bigshootr8 said:
Right, another company that is like this is ABIT if you remember them was a real shame when they went out of business.

http://valid.canardpc.com/2631719

The PC that this was posted from.
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December 28, 2012 11:23:39 PM

:D ! sexy
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December 28, 2012 11:27:41 PM

bigshootr8 said:
:D ! sexy

Thank you, and one in the eye for all the naysayers who reckon 680i boards went pop in five minutes. ;) 
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December 28, 2012 11:31:11 PM

back in the day when nvidia had more chipsets out there no?
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December 28, 2012 11:48:25 PM

bigshootr8 said:
back in the day when nvidia had more chipsets out there no?

The 680i chipset was a bit of bugbear for Nvidia due to the restrictive specs they put on the mobo manufacturers and the cost of the things in the first place, all this is way OT and best left to another time and a different thread though.
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December 29, 2012 12:05:37 AM

Well its nvidia since when as nvidia been cheap :p 
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December 29, 2012 9:23:09 PM

Wow I forgot about Abit... I had an nForce mobo by a company called Epox. There were a lot actually I'd forgotten about - Chaintech, DFI, Foxconn. Although Foxconn still exist, just manufacturing iPhones now I think?

EDIT: Aopen was another one.
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December 29, 2012 10:33:37 PM

DFI they made some amazing boards as well more on the overclocking end of things really high end stuff but I think they died out soon after AM2 was released.
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December 30, 2012 8:45:15 AM

I remember DFI for having some... interesting colour schemes. And for bundling backpacks with their mobos :-D
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December 30, 2012 10:45:39 AM

yup there best board eva the DFI socket 939 lanparty had a sexy black yellow and orange scheme

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December 30, 2012 12:27:02 PM

Haha me and you need to have a talk about the definition of 'sexy' :-D I still don't think you can beat Gigabyte blue PCB.
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