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February 12, 2013 10:16:26 PM

My best friend has entrusted me in spending his money on a gaming pc. He plays World of Tanks heavily, BF3 heavily, and Far Cry 3 heavily. He only has been able to play BF3 and FC3 on PS3 but he says that he is not using a console any more.


Approximate Purchase Date: e.g.: In about 2 weeks
Budget Range: $2300 - 2500
System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Youtube, Graphic Arts (Photoshop, etc.)
Are you buying a monitor: No
Parts to Buy: ALL other than monitor, mouse and keyboard
Do you need to buy OS: No
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg and Amazon
Location: USA, specifically South Carolina
Parts Preferences: He doesn't care that much, but he's always preferred Intel and Nvidia.
Overclocking: Probably
SLI or Crossfire: Yes, now or in the future
Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080
Additional Comments: BF3, FC3, Skyrim, World of Tanks. He says that he wants all emphasis on the GPU(S)
And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: His computer is weak and he wants to upgrade.

He wants to have the same case as mine: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

More about : friend build

February 12, 2013 10:37:38 PM

you can add another gtx 680 if you want
case nzxt phantom as you wish

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($499.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme6 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($219.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($86.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($219.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 680 4GB Video Card ($519.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom (Black/Orange) ATX Full Tower Case ($134.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional Gold 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($144.49 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K90 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Corsair Vengeance M90 Wired Laser Mouse ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2071.36
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-12 19:37 EST-0500)
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February 12, 2013 11:05:03 PM

^Minor Changes, the OP can't get Mirco Centre I think
as mentioned you can SLI or CF with another card if you want

For World of Tanks you really need all the single core speed you can get, sole reason I went Intel i5 3570k and still, 1 core gets loaded up, just too lazy to OC more :p 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($560.98 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 CPU Cooler ($80.50 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme6 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($219.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($83.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($101.12 @ Amazon)
Storage: OCZ Vector Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($445.91 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom (Black/Orange) ATX Full Tower Case ($134.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 850W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($122.75 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K90 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Corsair Vengeance M90 Wired Laser Mouse ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2095.18
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-12 20:08 EST-0500)


Reasonsings:
7970ghz is better than 680 IMO
You can get a Gold PSU if you want but IMO Silver is plenty
Vector is tied with 840 pro overall but has a higher sustained transfer


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February 12, 2013 11:47:43 PM

seafire01 said:
My best friend has entrusted me in spending his money on a gaming pc. He plays World of Tanks heavily, BF3 heavily, and Far Cry 3 heavily. He only has been able to play BF3 and FC3 on PS3 but he says that he is not using a console any more.


Approximate Purchase Date: e.g.: In about 2 weeks
Budget Range: $2300 - 2500
System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Youtube, Graphic Arts (Photoshop, etc.)
Are you buying a monitor: No
Parts to Buy: ALL other than monitor, mouse and keyboard
Do you need to buy OS: No
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg and Amazon
Location: USA, specifically South Carolina
Parts Preferences: He doesn't care that much, but he's always preferred Intel and Nvidia.
Overclocking: Probably
SLI or Crossfire: Yes, now or in the future
Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080
Additional Comments: BF3, FC3, Skyrim, World of Tanks. He says that he wants all emphasis on the GPU(S)
And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: His computer is weak and he wants to upgrade.

He wants to have the same case as mine: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Alright here we go :bounce: 

Build 1:

Highest Rated Case On Newegg

Great Deal On This Right Now, Get It!

Motherboard

CPU

CPU Cooler

RAM x2

GPU x2 This will be +60$ 3/13/13

SSD x2

Optical Drive

System Specs:

Intel Core i5 3570K
H100i Heatsink
SLI MSI 670s
Raid 0 128GB 840Pro(z77 boards retain trim support in raid 0, unlike z79; Another reason to avoid z79)
16GB Ram

Total Price: $2,063.87

And for anyone who thinks 7970s in crossfire are the way to go, they are overpriced and will lose to 680s; Nvidia cards are optimized for the gaming industry in general; On a neutral game nvidia's driver updates are faster and more stable; Nvidia also handles micro-stuttering better; Games that use Physx(Planet Side 2 for a recent example) run really badly on AMD. Graph Source




I sifted through more benchmarks and it loses in every game except metro2033 at a high resolution,


Now of course my build calls for SLI 670s, not 680s/7970s, because 670s have a better price/performance than the 680s. Arguments could be made that crossfire 7970s could outperform sli 670s, and sapphire has a 380$ 7970 model. Until that's made, I recommend the build above me. Currently in this thread, it's the best build.
-Prax :sol: 
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February 13, 2013 12:01:31 AM

2k builds that won't have much difference with $1k~$1.2k builds.

Don't waste his money too much.

Photoshop? 16gb of ram, i7-3930k? C'mon have you ever used photoshop before?
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February 13, 2013 12:05:48 AM

I beg to differ that the 7970 is not that great at CF

latest drivers






regardless single screen 1080p would only require a single high end card for now


keep in mind this review is before the massive performance enhancing 12.11 drivers from AMD
also the cpu is a 3960x whihc is close to the 3930k
The 680 with Physx on high performs the same as the 7970 with PhysX high


And here is CPU vs GPU handling the PhysX (the 580 has about same phsyX perf as the 660ti

pics not working so here is the full review
http://physxinfo.com/news/9425/borderlands-2-is-cpu-cap...

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February 13, 2013 12:10:47 AM

cutebeans said:
2k builds that won't have much difference with $1k~$1.2k builds.

Don't waste his money too much.

Photoshop? 16gb of ram, i7-3930k? C'mon have you ever used photoshop before?


2k builds will have a major difference, I disagree, and the gap difference will widen every following year after these 2 hypothetical builds; 2k gets you an SLI setup, and a Raid 0 array, with a nice H100i giving you a nice, cool 4.5OC easy; A 1k build gets you a 1 card setup, 1 ssd, and a hyper-212(meaning a hot 4.5OC); 16Gb of ram is nice, as games with memory leaks can slow you down with only 8, insert star wars the old republic here, not to mention rams cheap; I agree with you on the 3930k.
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February 13, 2013 12:13:31 AM

stickmansam said:
keep in mind this review is before the massive performance enhancing 12.11 drivers from AMD
also the cpu is a 3960x whihc is close to the 3930k
The 680 with Physx on high performs the same as the 7970 with PhysX high
http://static.techspot.com/articles-info/577/bench/PhysX.png

And here is CPU vs GPU handling the PhysX (the 580 has about same phsyX perf as the 660ti

Stock 2600k
average situation
http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/border_bench2.png
worst case scenario
http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/border_bench4.png
Built in benchmark
http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/border_bench5.png

EDIT: pics not working so here is the full review
http://physxinfo.com/news/9425/borderlands-2-is-cpu-cap...

Another review, not sure what cpu
Old AMD drivers (can tell due to review date)
http://www.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/review/2012-09-28/bl2-low-1920-bar.jpg

http://www.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/review/2012-09-28/bl2-med-1920-bar.jpg

http://www.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/review/2012-09-28/bl2-high-1920-bar.jpg

Review here
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Borderlands...


I appreciate the research you did and you are right, AMD has as far as benchmark fps numbers, caught up. Unfortunately it took them 8 months to get drivers that could compete with what nvidia had, 8 months AGO, proving my point as to what is the better buy. Not to mention the gaming industry favors nvidia optimizations; Better optimizations with better drivers leads to better performance when games are out, not better performance 8 months after a new game comes out; Another nice thing with nvidia is they usually have higher minimum fps rates, and less micro-stutter which are just nice cherries on the proverbial cake.
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February 13, 2013 12:19:11 AM

^ hopefully AMD will adequately address the micro-stutter as they have said
and yes I generally agree that Nvidia has more optimizations and driver turn around time

The sheer raw power of the 7970ghz can make up for it though and AMD seems to be getting back on track now though


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February 13, 2013 12:21:52 AM

For 1080p, and probably just at 60hz(the op's monitor) two cards are a waste either the 7970 or 670 gtx setup.
+1 to cutebeans.
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February 13, 2013 12:37:54 AM

cutebeans said:
You guys have to realize that people do not need SLIs 670 or 680s.

BF3? It's easily ultrad at 61 fps with 1 670 already.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/images/reviews/video_cards/...


Maybe in singleplayer campaign, a full 64man multi it can dip quite low on ultra with aa 4 and af 16. And again if the OP says budget is 2200, the budgets 2200. Toss on a good SLI build that will run for 5 years and be done with it. My brother still is running his SLI 5870 setup and will be fine for quite a few years to come. The main point is, right now as it stands, Nvidia > AMD; Better drivers, doesn't take 8 months to release drivers that can utilize their hardware; Better game optimization; Better minimum fps; And handles micro-stuttering... You guessed it, better. The world runs better on nvidia for now, enjoy it,

-Prax :sol: 
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February 13, 2013 12:44:08 AM

With the games coming out right now, A single 670 will be fine for quite a long time.

All we are getting are mostly console ports or PC games that are weakened down so that majority can play it. :) 
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February 13, 2013 12:48:07 AM

The 670's would be bandwidth and VRAM bottle necked though in the future, Crysis 3 @ 1080p 2xMSAA High, uses 1.7gb of vram so...

Somewhat saner build in response to feedback
I tend to go money crazy when large budgets are mentioned
Staying with Air until OP decide he want Closed Loop
The 2TB is a better choice as you can raid 5 them easier (at a lower cost)

7970 build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($80.26 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($148.98 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($83.72 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($101.12 @ Amazon)
Storage: OCZ Vector Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($379.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom (Black/Orange) ATX Full Tower Case ($134.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 850W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($122.75 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1661.77
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-12 21:46 EST-0500)

670 build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($80.26 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($148.98 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($83.72 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($101.12 @ Amazon)
Storage: OCZ Vector Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($363.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom (Black/Orange) ATX Full Tower Case ($134.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 850W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($122.75 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1645.76
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-12 21:47 EST-0500)
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February 13, 2013 12:58:19 AM

stickmansam said:
The 670's would be bandwidth and VRAM bottle necked though in the future, Crysis 3 @ 1080p 2xMSAA High, uses 1.7gb of vram so...


LoL I can't wait to see the benchmarks on crysis 3 for AMD. I can tell you 6 months after launch they should catch up to the 680s. As far as bottlenecking, that'd be unlikely. The game that sucks up the most vram is skyrim with 4k res mods, and they run fine. An sli 670 benchmark its good to go.

Unfortunately this is all I can find for benchmarks, it isn't modded; I want to compare this benchmark to a modded skyrim xD.

Source

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February 13, 2013 1:02:55 AM

AMD is better because it has free games LOL.

Seriously, you get 2 good games free.
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February 13, 2013 1:06:34 AM

^^ I am running an 7850 2GB for 1080p high 2xMSAA and my fps is min 45, avg 60, max 70 if that is any indication and vram usage of 1.7gb

The 7970 will be more than playable at 1080p
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February 13, 2013 1:07:26 AM

cutebeans said:
AMD is better because it has free games LOL.

Seriously, you get 2 good games free.


I like your avatar, so I will have to agree with you :cry: 

No but seriously, I think nvidia is trying to compete with AMD on that front offering 150$ in ingame currencies apparently? lol, they should bought some games.
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February 13, 2013 1:11:49 AM

Really?

Seriously though, Below is what really is happening in the world of GPU.

Low to Mid Range = AMD
High End = NVIDIA

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February 13, 2013 1:21:26 AM

cutebeans said:
Really?

Seriously though, Below is what really is happening in the world of GPU.

Low to Mid Range = AMD
High End = NVIDIA


Except it isn't, I had a convo with someone earlier on this, and just for drivers/tons of nvidia optimizations, I will likely go with an nvidia setup in my next build.:

quilciri said:
And as long as I'm on it, to clarify one of your earlier statements.

the 660 (non ti) outperforms the 7850, but not the 7870.

However, the AMD cards are cheaper than the respective NVIDIA cards. On top of that, AMD is running a promo right now. You get Bioshock:infinite and the new tomb raider free when you buy a 7800 series, and if you buy a 7900 series, you get Crysis 3 and Bioshock:infinite free.

Nividia's counter promotion is relatively weak, imho. If you buy a 660 or greater, you get $150 of in-game currency that you can use in Hawken, World of Tanks, or Planetside 2.


quilciri said:
Prax's build is decent, but I would stayaway from the Corsair Builder series. They're poorly-built CWT units, with the exception of the CX430, are somewhat shoddy quality and poorly reviewed. They're not cataclysmically awful, but the 430 is the only builder series PSU I would recommend in any system.


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As far as corsair psu being bad... No... I understand what you're saying but they are fine and I would take it anyday over the xfx psu that like to die 9 months in. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 59% is an excellent 5star

I think your advice is just wrong. Consistantly wrong it seems.

No, no and no @ 660 < 7870. 660 beats the 7870 badly, or it ties. The marketplace releases games that are nvidia optimized, and games that require nvidia technology like planetside 2 with physx play badly on AMD. Bad advice above. Get the 660, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168....

Here are some graphs.
Beats it by 20fps

Ties

Beats it by 30 fps

ties

Beats it by 10fps
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February 13, 2013 1:32:55 AM

Hi, regarding your statements.

You have to understand that the cx430 right now is the V3 version which hasn't had a review. They just named it into cx430 instead of cx430v3 for some reason.

Also, the reviews you showed everyone is how many months old. It doesn't even take into consideration the new drivers as previously stated.
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February 13, 2013 1:44:47 AM

^ those are the old drivers just saying and while it may take longer for AMD to optimize, it will still output more than playable frames

Latest drivers


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February 13, 2013 1:49:54 AM

cutebeans said:
Hi, regarding your statements.

You have to understand that the cx430 right now is the V3 version which hasn't had a review. They just named it into cx430 instead of cx430v3 for some reason.

Also, the reviews you showed everyone is how many months old. It doesn't even take into consideration the new drivers as previously stated.


"I don't like your benchmarks, they aren't new enough!" That's what you sound like. He was talking about the builder series with reviews on them, specifically the one I recommended in the OP of that thread's build. Which coincidantally had a 59% 5 star rating, which is quite good. I would be interesting in seeing a graph the shows 7870 outperforming the 660 in a game, I don't care about relative performance graphs@stick, but those look promising regarding my current belief that the 660 will indeed outperform the 7870 in any game I have seen. As it stands, they outperform the 7870, and have a better price on them, + a better company for future drivers which means better future performance.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E... 660 Prices

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E... 7870s prices
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February 13, 2013 1:53:34 AM

Yep. The new cx430s right now are different so really.

The old cx430 was not even 80+ now it has 80+ bronze cert.

That's what I am trying to tell you. The update was huge for AMD cards.

Anyway, I don't know why we need to discuss it. I'm just gonna get an FX-6300 and 7770 in my future build lol.
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February 13, 2013 1:59:38 AM

cutebeans said:
Yep. The new cx430s right now are different so really.

The old cx430 was not even 80+ now it has 80+ bronze cert.

That's what I am trying to tell you. The update was huge for AMD cards.

Anyway, I don't know why we need to discuss it. I'm just gonna get an FX-6300 and 7770 in my future build lol.


You brought it up, lol, I simply said I recommended the 500watt build series psu, some dude in another thread said it was bad, I linked that it had a 60% 5* which is pretty good, I don't know why you keep talking about the 430, the other dude in the other thread I quoted actually said the 500watt psu with 60% 5* was junk, and the only good builder series psu is the 430, which you seem to claim is really bad further proving that man's misinformation; You say the update was huge, I agree it was huge for amd, so find me a benchmark on 660vs7870, everyone I have seen the 660 wins, on the benchmarks, on the drivers, and on the price; I would like to get an fx but the single core performance is just too bad for me to tolerate I think, though that 8350 is tempting, we'll see what steamroller comes out with; They could catch up as intel is going for the tablet/laptop market with haswell, so I doubt it will be any different performance wise, to the 3570k.
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February 13, 2013 2:01:51 AM



I never said being new wasn't important, just that unless you provide sources, the 660 wins with what I have seen. 660 seems to be handling itself pretty damn well there, I don't mind it losing by 5 fps in some games, at 1920x1200 and winning in others even at the oddboll resoltuion of 1920x1200. It's funny they dont benchmark the 1920x1080, seeing as that is 85% of the marketplace.

Just looking it over, it wins in 6/10 of those graphs, and is cheaper. I am not counting that odd 7870 special edition or something, a typical stock 660 vs a typical stock 7870 even at 1920x1200(if this was 1920x1080 the 7870 wouldn't even have 4 wins) simply wins. And it's cheaper, and has better drivers/optimizations for future games with physx support, + handles micro-stuttering better, as best performance for the money is SLI 660s. I think you've proved my point good sir.

-Prax :sol: 
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February 13, 2013 2:08:10 AM

^ I think they prefer the 16:10, same for their 1280x800 and 1680x1050
I would buy a 1200p screen if they weren't so much more expensive just to get more vertical space :p 

Well those benchmarks you posted only had the 660 matching the 7870 or beating it by 10+ fps in 2 cases but both cards were at or above 60fps avg. The 7870 was handling itself pretty well back there too. Now the 660 trails only by a bit for the most part or with only 2 games having AMD win by 10+fps


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February 13, 2013 2:27:13 AM

stickmansam said:
^ I think they prefer the 16:10, same for their 1280x800 and 1680x1050
I would buy a 1200p screen if they weren't so much more expensive just to get more vertical space :p 

Well those benchmarks you posted only had the 660 matching the 7870 or beating it by 10+ fps in 2 cases but both cards were at or above 60fps avg. The 7870 was handling itself pretty well back there too. Now the 660 trails only by a bit for the most part or with only 2 games having AMD win by 10+fps


The graphs I linked were +10-20 fps higher, or it broke even. In these benchmarks the 7870 looses by 10-20 fps or wins by 5-10. And it wins in 4/10 graphs. It also took 8months for it to even do that lol. Keep in mind both benchmarks, mine and yours, are not 1920x1080(But instead use this 1920x1200) if they were, the 660 would win everytime.

Arkham City: 660=68.5 7870=67.9; .6 fps difference 660 favored

BF3: 660=49.7 7870=53.8; 4.1 fps difference, 7870 favored

Borderlands 2: 660=88.6 vs 7870=74.8; 13.8 fps difference, 660 favored

Crysis 2: 660=46.1 vs 7870=48.6; 2.5 fps difference, 7870 favored

Diablo 3: 660=111.9 vs 7870=102.5; 9.4 fps difference, 660 favored

Max Payne 3: 660=51.1 vs 7870=58.9; 7.9 fps difference, 7870 favored

Metro 2033: 660=21.7 vs 7870=23.4; 1.7 fps difference, 7870 favored

Star Craft II: 660=166.8 vs 7870=150; 16.8 fps difference, 660 favored

Shogun 2: 660=41 vs 7870=38; 3 fps difference, 660 favored

Skyrim: 660=59.1 vs 7870=68.9; 9.8 fps difference, 7870 favored

So technically they are equal, but the 660 is cheaper and has better drivers/sli scaling/handling of micro-stuttering/won't take 8 months to get best performance out of new games, I know what I want lol and if you could believe it, I am a huge AMD fanboy, but this 6870 setup will be nvidia sli 660 soon enough.

-Prax :sol: 

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February 13, 2013 2:54:41 AM

Once you consider all games, the 7870 comes out ahead
There is a 10% diff in pixels from 1200p to 1080p, and this does show effects of the memory bottleneck on 660 which will only be more apparent as you SLI on higehr resolutions
drivers is the only weak AMD link IMO, all issues they have can be traced to that bu they have been improving

The 660 may be a better price/perf buy now but not for SLI/CF IMO but I would not say they are equal, the 7870 has more performance

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February 13, 2013 3:02:17 AM

stickmansam said:
Once you consider all games, the 7870 comes out ahead
There is a 10% diff in pixels from 1200p to 1080p, and this does show effects of the memory bottleneck on 660 which will only be more apparent as you SLI on higehr resolutions
drivers is the only weak AMD link IMO, all issues they have can be traced to that bu they have been improving

The 660 may be a better price/perf buy now but not for SLI/CF IMO but I would not say they are equal, the 7870 has more performance

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/VTX3D/Radeon_HD_7870_XT_Black/images/perfrel_1920.gif


It isn't; They trade blows in things that matter, relative performance graphs lol; And AMD has the better hardware on paper but when it gets into games, ESPECIALLY NEW ONES, they are terrible and take a while to catch up, and their micro-stuttering is more severe. I have been on both sides of the fence, and nvidia is superior. Anyway, I am going to go watch star trek,

-Prax :sol: 
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February 13, 2013 3:19:16 AM

lol relative performance is compiled from all the games tested and are just as relevant as long as there are not outliers they skew performance a lot
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February 13, 2013 3:29:27 AM

Nooo. Nvidia is king?

My life has been a lie.
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February 13, 2013 3:42:08 AM

stickmansam said:
lol relative performance is compiled from all the games tested and are just as relevant as long as there are not outliers they skew performance a lot


So we agree, there are outliers that skew your relative performance benchmarks. We also agree that its best to compare benchmarks of games separately to avoid these skewed results :pt1cable: 

-Prax :kaola: 
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February 13, 2013 3:50:38 AM

^But there is an absence of outliers in this case, all games have less than 15fps difference except in Starcraft II which is skewed for Nvidia by 17fps
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February 13, 2013 3:58:48 AM

stickmansam said:
^But there is an absence of outliers in this case, all games have less than 15fps difference except in Starcraft II which is skewed for Nvidia by 17fps


I don't get it, can you explain it with dragons? :whistle: 
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February 13, 2013 4:08:10 AM

There were no outliers as all fps differences between the 660 and the 7870 were within 15fps except in one case where the 660 beat the 7870 by 17fps
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