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Anonymous
July 23, 2005 11:00:17 PM

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DVD section aside, what are the advantages of the LD-S9 over the DVL-919?
(Also, lets throw out 'high-end' and 'middle-level' and talk about specifics)

1. Advanced Comb filter
2. Improved Laser pickup (does it use the red laser like the HLD-XX?)
3. Quieter operation (I'm not sure if that is true)
4. Shuttle alpha dial (though Japanese DVL-919s have this)

Disadvantages

1. A DVL-919 can be had for as little as $1300 less.
2. DVL-919 plays PAL and NTSC discs (is that rumour correct?)
3. A step down transformer from 120v to 100v (US) (Is this completely true
as well? My wife as several Japanese made devices that havent exhibited
problems at our voltage (which fluctuates between 117-123 throughout the day
but we also use a power filter on our TV equipment)

On an HD TV there are a few things you need to really get the best
picture from a laserdisc player. One is to decide whether the composite
output is better over the S-Video output. This varies from TV to TV.
Another item is a deinterlacer / line doubler.

In my situation the DVL-919 does a pretty good job with the majority of my discs.
I use the S-Video output directly into my plasma. This delivers the best picture
a number of steps above the composite output. However, some CAVs do play 'darker',
which I've read in a review was due to CC macrovision .. would the LD-S9 really do
that much better? I only see a slight ghosting problem, but its not anything
severe. I've definately never seen any crosstalk. Aspect ratio on the plasma
does tend to squish things unless the screen is put into 16:9 mode, but this could
be solved by a DVDO. One of the big problems Joshua addresses in his LD FAQ
(askjosh) is that HD TVs are tuned for a digital signal and therefore will make an
analogue signal (such as cable or video LD) look bad. Of course, the LD picture I
get is way better than my cable picture.

Considering my experience with the DVL-919, I'd probably stick with it and maybe
get a DVDO iScan HD (I don't think I'd need an HD+) to help with the aspect ratio,
deinterlacing and macrovision issues.

More about : dvl 919

July 24, 2005 1:17:37 AM

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The LDS9 has the advanced 3D comb filter from the X9, but it does not
have the red laser that the X9 does. The X9 is a different design than
the S9, and I've read about all they share is the comb filter. The S9
is built on the design of the CLD 99. The DVL 919 is, from what I've
read, equivlant to or lower than the CLD 704 player. The S9 would be a
big step up. I have a CLD 79 and an X9 hooked up to an Iscan Ultra and
there is no comparison between the two in picture quality, the X9 is
noticably better in detail, noise levels, sharpness, and color
reproduction. The S9 does require a transformer (can't remember if
it's a step up or step down) but it will not run on normal U.S.
current. A transformer is required.

While the DVL 919 is a nice player, it does not compete with the S9.
The combo units were made to give average ld and dvd playback. The S9
was made solely with ld performance in mind. The other reason why it
is expensive is due obviously to the fact that they were never made in
large numbers and made only in japan. You shouldn't have any issues
with macrovision as laserdisc did not use macrovision protection. The
919 is a fine player, but the S9 is no doubt better.

RED MARTIAN wrote:
> DVD section aside, what are the advantages of the LD-S9 over the DVL-919?
> (Also, lets throw out 'high-end' and 'middle-level' and talk about specifics)
>
> 1. Advanced Comb filter
> 2. Improved Laser pickup (does it use the red laser like the HLD-XX?)
> 3. Quieter operation (I'm not sure if that is true)
> 4. Shuttle alpha dial (though Japanese DVL-919s have this)
>
> Disadvantages
>
> 1. A DVL-919 can be had for as little as $1300 less.
> 2. DVL-919 plays PAL and NTSC discs (is that rumour correct?)
> 3. A step down transformer from 120v to 100v (US) (Is this completely true
> as well? My wife as several Japanese made devices that havent exhibited
> problems at our voltage (which fluctuates between 117-123 throughout the day
> but we also use a power filter on our TV equipment)
>
> On an HD TV there are a few things you need to really get the best
> picture from a laserdisc player. One is to decide whether the composite
> output is better over the S-Video output. This varies from TV to TV.
> Another item is a deinterlacer / line doubler.
>
> In my situation the DVL-919 does a pretty good job with the majority of my discs.
> I use the S-Video output directly into my plasma. This delivers the best picture
> a number of steps above the composite output. However, some CAVs do play 'darker',
> which I've read in a review was due to CC macrovision .. would the LD-S9 really do
> that much better? I only see a slight ghosting problem, but its not anything
> severe. I've definately never seen any crosstalk. Aspect ratio on the plasma
> does tend to squish things unless the screen is put into 16:9 mode, but this could
> be solved by a DVDO. One of the big problems Joshua addresses in his LD FAQ
> (askjosh) is that HD TVs are tuned for a digital signal and therefore will make an
> analogue signal (such as cable or video LD) look bad. Of course, the LD picture I
> get is way better than my cable picture.
>
> Considering my experience with the DVL-919, I'd probably stick with it and maybe
> get a DVDO iScan HD (I don't think I'd need an HD+) to help with the aspect ratio,
> deinterlacing and macrovision issues.
Anonymous
July 24, 2005 5:03:47 AM

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There has never been any macrovision on LD's. That's why companies like
Disney delay the LD release three months behind the VHS Tape. If it is
darker then it was meant to be that way.

The DVL-919 is probably the second best DVL unit with the DVL-91 being the
best. I'm not a fan of DVL players if you can afford separates as you can
get a better CLD-D704 for laserdisc playback. If you are looking at a
LD-S9, it is a CLD-99 with a more advanced 3D Adaptive comb filter over the
CLD-99.

PAL and NTSC playback, Only if you get the European version.

Watching on a Plasma. Another reason I do not own a Plasma is that I could
not find one that displayed any NTSC good enough to make me happy and I
tested many different models. The best thing to do for a plasma is get a
CLD_D704 and either a Faroudja Scan converter or try the ISCAN HD+ (Still
want to try this someday but it sounds promising).

Why are you skipping right over the much cheaper CLD-D704 and looking at the
LD-S9, The 704 will give you the exact same picture out of the composite
output. Then the Plasma will most likely loose the advantage of the 3D
Adaptive filter in the S9.

Kurtis


"RED MARTIAN" <martians@sdf.lNoOnSePsAtMar.org> wrote in message
news:D bu441$t5l$1@chessie.cirr.com...
> DVD section aside, what are the advantages of the LD-S9 over the DVL-919?
> (Also, lets throw out 'high-end' and 'middle-level' and talk about
> specifics)
>
> 1. Advanced Comb filter
> 2. Improved Laser pickup (does it use the red laser like the HLD-XX?)
> 3. Quieter operation (I'm not sure if that is true)
> 4. Shuttle alpha dial (though Japanese DVL-919s have this)
>
> Disadvantages
>
> 1. A DVL-919 can be had for as little as $1300 less.
> 2. DVL-919 plays PAL and NTSC discs (is that rumour correct?)
> 3. A step down transformer from 120v to 100v (US) (Is this completely
> true
> as well? My wife as several Japanese made devices that havent exhibited
> problems at our voltage (which fluctuates between 117-123 throughout the
> day
> but we also use a power filter on our TV equipment)
>
> On an HD TV there are a few things you need to really get the best
> picture from a laserdisc player. One is to decide whether the composite
> output is better over the S-Video output. This varies from TV to TV.
> Another item is a deinterlacer / line doubler.
>
> In my situation the DVL-919 does a pretty good job with the majority of my
> discs.
> I use the S-Video output directly into my plasma. This delivers the best
> picture
> a number of steps above the composite output. However, some CAVs do play
> 'darker',
> which I've read in a review was due to CC macrovision .. would the LD-S9
> really do
> that much better? I only see a slight ghosting problem, but its not
> anything
> severe. I've definately never seen any crosstalk. Aspect ratio on the
> plasma
> does tend to squish things unless the screen is put into 16:9 mode, but
> this could
> be solved by a DVDO. One of the big problems Joshua addresses in his LD
> FAQ
> (askjosh) is that HD TVs are tuned for a digital signal and therefore will
> make an
> analogue signal (such as cable or video LD) look bad. Of course, the LD
> picture I
> get is way better than my cable picture.
>
> Considering my experience with the DVL-919, I'd probably stick with it and
> maybe
> get a DVDO iScan HD (I don't think I'd need an HD+) to help with the
> aspect ratio,
> deinterlacing and macrovision issues.
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Anonymous
July 25, 2005 1:53:15 AM

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I think one thing that is often overlooked in these comparisons is build
quality.
I would imagine the build of the LD S9 is better than the D704. I know
from my experiences that the D704 units are very fragile are are always
having the damned "slipping disc" problem.
I've purchased many players and collections over the years and it's
always the D703/D704 for Mitsubishi D704 clones that are problematic due
to a cheap, and fragile build quality.
Kevin
Anonymous
July 25, 2005 6:21:49 AM

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The little-known high-end DVL-H9 is also worth consideration and
certainly rates as the one best combi deck. Production of the H9
stopped at the same time as that of S9 and X9, it had an MSRP between
these two, but it exists only as a Japan R2 NTSC model. I agree with
the common advice that unless you are very short on space, buying two
separate units is better than a combi.

Nicolas
Anonymous
July 25, 2005 8:03:04 AM

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I honestly don't trust step down transformers. Infact, I had one blow up on
me in the UK and it was supposed to be a quality unit (not a wall wart).
What sort of transformers are you guys using for your 100v equipment?
Anonymous
July 25, 2005 12:01:32 PM

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> What sort of transformers are you guys using for your 100v equipment?

Hello,

Had a custom 240->100V transformer custom made in Paris here:

http://www.stquentin.net/transfo/autotransfo.php

Basically they took a 240->120V mold model and asked the factory to
shift the copper connection by a few circles to get an output between
100/105V for 230/240V input. Result is that I don't get 1000VA anymore
but around 830/875VA.

Paid 115 Euros for this (100+15% customization), looks like the price
went up to 125. That would give about 145 euros finished good now.

I plug my Pioneer Japanese A/V Amp on it and then plug DVD Player, LD
Player and others (RF demod, portable MD, etc.) on the Amp extra out
plugs.

Rgds,
Julien
--
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Anonymous
July 25, 2005 8:50:29 PM

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On 25 Jul 2005 08:01:32 -0700, "Julien Wilk" <generikz@gmail.com>
wrote:

>> What sort of transformers are you guys using for your 100v equipment?
>
>Hello,
>
>Had a custom 240->100V transformer custom made in Paris here:

For taking 120/115 down to 100 volts there is a very simple way using
tube filament transformers found in electronic junk outlets. You can
use the 12 volt or two isolated 6.3 volt windings to "buck" the source
voltage. In other words, connect the 115 volt primary of the
transformer across the mains, put the 12 volt or two 6.3 volt
secondaries in series with the 115 volts to the player in such a way
as to bring down the voltage. connected the other way it increases
the voltage to 126 volts, which you could do if running American
equipment in Japan. Also there are multitapped plate tranformers, the
output may be 250 or 370 volts, you don't use that winding, but the
primary may have 120, 110, 105v taps. Put in the 115 volts and feed
the Japanese player from a tap. Note that this is an "autotransformer"
where the output is not isolated, so the common connection should be
the relative ground. All of these transformers, particulary the
filament transformers, have more than enough current-carrying
capability to handle the load required. a filament transformer may be
rated at 5 amps whereas only some .8 amps are needed by the player.

Steve .
>
> http://www.stquentin.net/transfo/autotransfo.php
>
>Basically they took a 240->120V mold model and asked the factory to
>shift the copper connection by a few circles to get an output between
>100/105V for 230/240V input. Result is that I don't get 1000VA anymore
>but around 830/875VA.
>
>Paid 115 Euros for this (100+15% customization), looks like the price
>went up to 125. That would give about 145 euros finished good now.
>
>I plug my Pioneer Japanese A/V Amp on it and then plug DVD Player, LD
>Player and others (RF demod, portable MD, etc.) on the Amp extra out
>plugs.
>
>Rgds,
>Julien
Anonymous
July 26, 2005 3:23:53 AM

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The only difference in build quality between the 704 and S9 is the larger
clamp surface on the S9 which also means the S9 does not play CD's. 8 and
12 inch LD's only, but they don't slip.

Kurtis

"Kevin Hawerchuk" <KevHaw@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:8507-42E4460B-524@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net...
>I think one thing that is often overlooked in these comparisons is build
> quality.
> I would imagine the build of the LD S9 is better than the D704. I know
> from my experiences that the D704 units are very fragile are are always
> having the damned "slipping disc" problem.
> I've purchased many players and collections over the years and it's
> always the D703/D704 for Mitsubishi D704 clones that are problematic due
> to a cheap, and fragile build quality.
> Kevin
>
Anonymous
August 1, 2005 2:25:49 AM

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Correct me if I am wrong, but a CLD-79 ias an Elite-ized CLD-D704
correct?

I play my CLD-79 back on a Sony 50" Grand Wega LCD projection TV and
mileage does vary somewhat for playback. I believe that a lot of this
is probably due to how the video was transferred to the LD . Some
look pretty good, some as bit grainy. But, you will see that in DVD's
depending on their mastering method as well.

-Jim

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 05:03:47 UTC, "Kurtis Bahr" <kbahr@comcast.net>
wrote:

> There has never been any macrovision on LD's. That's why companies like
> Disney delay the LD release three months behind the VHS Tape. If it is
> darker then it was meant to be that way.
>
> The DVL-919 is probably the second best DVL unit with the DVL-91 being the
> best. I'm not a fan of DVL players if you can afford separates as you can
> get a better CLD-D704 for laserdisc playback. If you are looking at a
> LD-S9, it is a CLD-99 with a more advanced 3D Adaptive comb filter over the
> CLD-99.
>
> PAL and NTSC playback, Only if you get the European version.
>
> Watching on a Plasma. Another reason I do not own a Plasma is that I could
> not find one that displayed any NTSC good enough to make me happy and I
> tested many different models. The best thing to do for a plasma is get a
> CLD_D704 and either a Faroudja Scan converter or try the ISCAN HD+ (Still
> want to try this someday but it sounds promising).
>
> Why are you skipping right over the much cheaper CLD-D704 and looking at the
> LD-S9, The 704 will give you the exact same picture out of the composite
> output. Then the Plasma will most likely loose the advantage of the 3D
> Adaptive filter in the S9.
>
> Kurtis
>
>
> "RED MARTIAN" <martians@sdf.lNoOnSePsAtMar.org> wrote in message
> news:D bu441$t5l$1@chessie.cirr.com...
> > DVD section aside, what are the advantages of the LD-S9 over the DVL-919?
> > (Also, lets throw out 'high-end' and 'middle-level' and talk about
> > specifics)
> >
> > 1. Advanced Comb filter
> > 2. Improved Laser pickup (does it use the red laser like the HLD-XX?)
> > 3. Quieter operation (I'm not sure if that is true)
> > 4. Shuttle alpha dial (though Japanese DVL-919s have this)
> >
> > Disadvantages
> >
> > 1. A DVL-919 can be had for as little as $1300 less.
> > 2. DVL-919 plays PAL and NTSC discs (is that rumour correct?)
> > 3. A step down transformer from 120v to 100v (US) (Is this completely
> > true
> > as well? My wife as several Japanese made devices that havent exhibited
> > problems at our voltage (which fluctuates between 117-123 throughout the
> > day
> > but we also use a power filter on our TV equipment)
> >
> > On an HD TV there are a few things you need to really get the best
> > picture from a laserdisc player. One is to decide whether the composite
> > output is better over the S-Video output. This varies from TV to TV.
> > Another item is a deinterlacer / line doubler.
> >
> > In my situation the DVL-919 does a pretty good job with the majority of my
> > discs.
> > I use the S-Video output directly into my plasma. This delivers the best
> > picture
> > a number of steps above the composite output. However, some CAVs do play
> > 'darker',
> > which I've read in a review was due to CC macrovision .. would the LD-S9
> > really do
> > that much better? I only see a slight ghosting problem, but its not
> > anything
> > severe. I've definately never seen any crosstalk. Aspect ratio on the
> > plasma
> > does tend to squish things unless the screen is put into 16:9 mode, but
> > this could
> > be solved by a DVDO. One of the big problems Joshua addresses in his LD
> > FAQ
> > (askjosh) is that HD TVs are tuned for a digital signal and therefore will
> > make an
> > analogue signal (such as cable or video LD) look bad. Of course, the LD
> > picture I
> > get is way better than my cable picture.
> >
> > Considering my experience with the DVL-919, I'd probably stick with it and
> > maybe
> > get a DVDO iScan HD (I don't think I'd need an HD+) to help with the
> > aspect ratio,
> > deinterlacing and macrovision issues.
>
>


--
Anonymous
August 1, 2005 3:45:20 AM

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You are pretty much correct. The 79 has the lower quality Digital audio
circuit as in the CLD-D604 (only matters if you use the internal D/A
section) but the 79 video is the same as the 704. The 99 adds the 3D
Adaptive filter. No more heavy chassis, heavy shielding, separate
analog/digital power supplies, that all stopped with the CLD-97. Pioneer
decided to go with DVNR verses the quiet designs. Don't get me wring, the
704/79/99/S9 are nice machines and if you like the DVNR processing it they
will be great.

Kurtis

"Jim Wilkerson" <wilkerj@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:RFFxzJm83E64-pn2-dV1KSdU3kFOQ@localhost...
> Correct me if I am wrong, but a CLD-79 ias an Elite-ized CLD-D704
> correct?
>
> I play my CLD-79 back on a Sony 50" Grand Wega LCD projection TV and
> mileage does vary somewhat for playback. I believe that a lot of this
> is probably due to how the video was transferred to the LD . Some
> look pretty good, some as bit grainy. But, you will see that in DVD's
> depending on their mastering method as well.
>
> -Jim
>
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 05:03:47 UTC, "Kurtis Bahr" <kbahr@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> There has never been any macrovision on LD's. That's why companies like
>> Disney delay the LD release three months behind the VHS Tape. If it is
>> darker then it was meant to be that way.
>>
>> The DVL-919 is probably the second best DVL unit with the DVL-91 being
>> the
>> best. I'm not a fan of DVL players if you can afford separates as you
>> can
>> get a better CLD-D704 for laserdisc playback. If you are looking at a
>> LD-S9, it is a CLD-99 with a more advanced 3D Adaptive comb filter over
>> the
>> CLD-99.
>>
>> PAL and NTSC playback, Only if you get the European version.
>>
>> Watching on a Plasma. Another reason I do not own a Plasma is that I
>> could
>> not find one that displayed any NTSC good enough to make me happy and I
>> tested many different models. The best thing to do for a plasma is get a
>> CLD_D704 and either a Faroudja Scan converter or try the ISCAN HD+ (Still
>> want to try this someday but it sounds promising).
>>
>> Why are you skipping right over the much cheaper CLD-D704 and looking at
>> the
>> LD-S9, The 704 will give you the exact same picture out of the composite
>> output. Then the Plasma will most likely loose the advantage of the 3D
>> Adaptive filter in the S9.
>>
>> Kurtis
>>
>>
>> "RED MARTIAN" <martians@sdf.lNoOnSePsAtMar.org> wrote in message
>> news:D bu441$t5l$1@chessie.cirr.com...
>> > DVD section aside, what are the advantages of the LD-S9 over the
>> > DVL-919?
>> > (Also, lets throw out 'high-end' and 'middle-level' and talk about
>> > specifics)
>> >
>> > 1. Advanced Comb filter
>> > 2. Improved Laser pickup (does it use the red laser like the HLD-XX?)
>> > 3. Quieter operation (I'm not sure if that is true)
>> > 4. Shuttle alpha dial (though Japanese DVL-919s have this)
>> >
>> > Disadvantages
>> >
>> > 1. A DVL-919 can be had for as little as $1300 less.
>> > 2. DVL-919 plays PAL and NTSC discs (is that rumour correct?)
>> > 3. A step down transformer from 120v to 100v (US) (Is this completely
>> > true
>> > as well? My wife as several Japanese made devices that havent
>> > exhibited
>> > problems at our voltage (which fluctuates between 117-123 throughout
>> > the
>> > day
>> > but we also use a power filter on our TV equipment)
>> >
>> > On an HD TV there are a few things you need to really get the best
>> > picture from a laserdisc player. One is to decide whether the
>> > composite
>> > output is better over the S-Video output. This varies from TV to TV.
>> > Another item is a deinterlacer / line doubler.
>> >
>> > In my situation the DVL-919 does a pretty good job with the majority of
>> > my
>> > discs.
>> > I use the S-Video output directly into my plasma. This delivers the
>> > best
>> > picture
>> > a number of steps above the composite output. However, some CAVs do
>> > play
>> > 'darker',
>> > which I've read in a review was due to CC macrovision .. would the
>> > LD-S9
>> > really do
>> > that much better? I only see a slight ghosting problem, but its not
>> > anything
>> > severe. I've definately never seen any crosstalk. Aspect ratio on the
>> > plasma
>> > does tend to squish things unless the screen is put into 16:9 mode, but
>> > this could
>> > be solved by a DVDO. One of the big problems Joshua addresses in his
>> > LD
>> > FAQ
>> > (askjosh) is that HD TVs are tuned for a digital signal and therefore
>> > will
>> > make an
>> > analogue signal (such as cable or video LD) look bad. Of course, the LD
>> > picture I
>> > get is way better than my cable picture.
>> >
>> > Considering my experience with the DVL-919, I'd probably stick with it
>> > and
>> > maybe
>> > get a DVDO iScan HD (I don't think I'd need an HD+) to help with the
>> > aspect ratio,
>> > deinterlacing and macrovision issues.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
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