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February 14, 2013 9:13:26 PM

are these parts good and compatible for watercooling just the cpu
and how may I improve them
http://www.xoxide.com/xspc-twind5d [...] rvoir.html

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/ [...] HD-WT.html

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/ [...] White.html


http://www.frozencpu.com/products/ [...] White.html

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/ [...] 10-BK.html

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/ [...] 10-58.html

thank you

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a b B Homebuilt system
February 15, 2013 12:05:46 AM

Check your links. I can only gleen from the first link that it is the XSPC Dual D5 reserviour which is way overkill for CPU cooling only. A single D5 pump is more than adequate.
Looking forward to critiquing the rest, hehe
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a b B Homebuilt system
February 15, 2013 1:47:20 AM

Hi,
Not only do your links not work, but you also have not given nearly enough information:

1. What is the CPU?
2. How aggressive are you overclocking?
3. What CASE do you have?
4. Is this for GAMING?
5. If so, what GRAPHICS CARD do you have?
6. What motherboard do you own? (to determine fan speed control)

Other:
1)
You can buy CPU water-cooling systems as a kit. No need to choose separate parts.
Example:
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=77649&vpn=CW-9060008-W...

2) There are Pros and Cons to water-cooling. In many scenarios air-cooling may be superior. Water cooling is mostly for very aggressive over-clocking.

3) Ensure you use PWM fans if your motherboard uses PWM for the CPU fan control (4-pin as opposed to 3-pin Voltage control). PWM is the most common on new motherboards.

4) Don't even consider a particular water-cooling solution if there is no way for the fan (or fans) to be automatically controlled by your motherboards CPU_FAN slot.
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a b B Homebuilt system
February 15, 2013 2:07:25 AM

Update:
Just to be clear, many people have issues with pump noise in water cooling solutions though it may take a while. Water cooling has a pump and at least one fan. In many setups the noise is GREATER than air-cooling. Again, only use water-cooling when air-cooling can't achieve the same thing. Plus, if you are gaming there's a point at which overclocking the CPU provides little to no benefit.

On the other hand, a high-end air-cooler just has a low-noise fan. If you use a quality fan like a Noctua (PWM where needed) noise is minimal for years (at which point just replace the fan).

When a pump begins to wear out it gets noisy. When it fails your computer won't run.

I've played games using my Noctua NH-D14 with the fan unplugged and my PC didn't crash (this cooler has no PWM fan).

Just FYI.
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a b B Homebuilt system
February 15, 2013 2:36:50 AM

photonboy said:
..., if you are gaming there's a point at which overclocking the CPU provides little to no benefit.

??? at 4.6 GHz, I haven't found that point
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a b B Homebuilt system
February 15, 2013 12:46:38 PM

I would suggest contacting Rubix_1011 (Moderator) and having this moved to the W/c section,
I'd also like to address a couple of Photons points,
In many scenarios air-cooling may be superior. Water cooling is mostly for very aggressive over-clocking
Air is superior to lowend water solutions like the H50 level, once you spend over £$140 you are definitely in decent water territory and beyond air capabilities
Ensure you use PWM fans if your motherboard uses PWM for the CPU fan control Again no, you want control over your fans and a fancontroller (or several) is the best way to accomplish that level of control, save your Mobo's sockets for addition modded casefans
many people have issues with pump noise in water cooling solutions though it may take a while
many low end cheap pumps suffer from noise to begin with and a lot of pump noise is due to bad bleeding practices, it is not a given that a W/c loop is going to be noisy just because its water
There is a point at which clocking ceases to have any useful gains though, I find 4GHz is a suitable speed and don't notice any improvement going to 4.6GHz on my 975BE, but I do like pushing things just because I can
@Op, I'll add more once your thread is over in W/c and help you explore possibilities and solutions
Moto
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a b B Homebuilt system
February 16, 2013 2:44:53 AM

Motopsychojdn said:
I would suggest contacting Rubix_1011 (Moderator) and having this moved to the W/c section,
I'd also like to address a couple of Photons points,
In many scenarios air-cooling may be superior. Water cooling is mostly for very aggressive over-clocking
Air is superior to lowend water solutions like the H50 level, once you spend over £$140 you are definitely in decent water territory and beyond air capabilities
Ensure you use PWM fans if your motherboard uses PWM for the CPU fan control Again no, you want control over your fans and a fancontroller (or several) is the best way to accomplish that level of control, save your Mobo's sockets for addition modded casefans
many people have issues with pump noise in water cooling solutions though it may take a while
many low end cheap pumps suffer from noise to begin with and a lot of pump noise is due to bad bleeding practices, it is not a given that a W/c loop is going to be noisy just because its water
There is a point at which clocking ceases to have any useful gains though, I find 4GHz is a suitable speed and don't notice any improvement going to 4.6GHz on my 975BE, but I do like pushing things just because I can
@Op, I'll add more once your thread is over in W/c and help you explore possibilities and solutions
Moto


Hi,
- I don't see why you wouldn't want to control the fan speed on the CPU according to temperature. Why would you want manual control for this? I don't see the logic. Obviously you want the fan speed to ramp up with temperature.

I'm talking about connecting the PWM fan on the water-cooling system to the CPU_Fan on the motherboard and ensuring it ramps by temperature (so the fan would be slow and quiet when idle and ramp up to fast when running hot).

- CPU overclocking. There are TONNES of benchmarks out there that show games being limited by the GPU, not the CPU. Additionally, if you can already hit 60FPS in a game at full quality it's pointless to overclock the CPU.

I have a GTX 680 (Asus Top) and an i7-3770K (Turbo to 4.1GHz via Sabertooth Z77) and in the few games that I can't achieve 60FPS with full quality overclocking the CPU has made very little difference because it was the GPU that was the main bottleneck.

I could literally list at least 40 games that overclocking my CPU is pointless.
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a b B Homebuilt system
February 16, 2013 3:27:20 AM

photonboy said:
Hi,
- I don't see why you wouldn't want to control the fan speed on the CPU according to temperature. Why would you want manual control for this? I don't see the logic. Obviously you want the fan speed to ramp up with temperature.

I'm talking about connecting the PWM fan on the water-cooling system to the CPU_Fan on the motherboard and ensuring it ramps by temperature (so the fan would be slow and quiet when idle and ramp up to fast when running hot).


Ideally you would want your CPU fan header to (at least monitor) pump. A pump failure is far less likely to be detected at startup than a fan failure. Plus as long as the pump is running some heat is being transfered.

Temps are a given once a 24hour stable OC is attained, monitoring one's temps can be a good indication of fan or pump malfunction later (or even when you need to clean the rad)
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a b B Homebuilt system
February 16, 2013 6:56:03 AM

This video is really great:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8HsjgtMzEg

Water cooling is awesome. I'm not trying to turn him away.

I think his best bet would bet to get the Corsair H100i and not buy all his parts separately.
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a c 106 B Homebuilt system
February 16, 2013 7:36:27 AM

^ Except Closed Loop Cooling at its best can only match high end air-cooling, which is a lot cheaper.
Obviously the OP is wanting a full blown custom loop.

Also Photon I'v noticed that if you have enough radiator space (probably a dual rad for just a CPU), the fan speed doesn't even matter. Running my fans at 40% and 100% brings no difference in temperatures at idle or load, and a lot more noise.

I advise starting a new thread (or moving this one) to the Water-cooling forum (under Overclocking) for better advice on this subject. The Systems forum is more for general builds and advice rather than more niche things like water-cooling.
Read the sticky that Friedman linked too, it will give you a lot of the background knowledge when it comes to Water-Cooling.

Also your tubing and Compression's have mismatched OD's, wont work together.
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a b B Homebuilt system
February 16, 2013 12:52:34 PM

**I don't see why you wouldn't want to control the fan speed on the CPU according to temperature**
Because software would not control my fans as I wanted it to, my three 8 channel controllers allow me maximum control over the fans on my loop, meaning I get maxmum cooling at the lowest possible noise level, Hell, I can turn them off if I want and run my loop passive for total silence (except gfx cards fans which I can set using CCC to minimum anyway)
Plus, once you get enough fans to fully populate a decent loop, you don't have enough mobo headers,
and you don't have to ramp up speed by temperature because your cores will never be that hot to worry about,
I overrad for several reasons, to get low temps, and to allow a quiet running rig,
and with twentytwo fans on direct control, plus four on the cards, a northbridge cooler and modded Cpu blockfan (That one is powered by the Mobo)
its laughably easy to accomplish both, its all about making what you want to work, work
Moto
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