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February 15, 2013 11:56:54 PM

Any and all ideas, suggestions, and advice are more than welcome. This will be my first build so I can use any criticism you guys have so long as it's constructive. I'm going to be using this PC for gaming, some 3D rendering, photoshop, and I hope that it will be reasonably future-proof and upgradable (other than the upcoming Haswell LGA 1150 release). I'm most concerned about the motherboard, but please give any suggestions you have. Thanks in advance!

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Microcenter)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.97 @ Outlet PC)

Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LE PLUS ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Amazon)

Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.99 @ Newegg)

Storage HDD: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)

Storage SSD: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($129.99 @ Newegg)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($238.79 @ Amazon)

Case: Rosewill Challenger-U3 ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Amazon)

Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 650W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($74.99 @ Newegg)

Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)

Monitor: Asus VS247H-P 23.6" Monitor ($159.99 @ Newegg)

Keyboard: Logitech MK520 Wireless Ergonomic Keyboard w/Laser Mouse ($45.99 @ Amazon)

Other: Rosewill RTK-001 Premium Anti-Static Wrist Strap ($3.00)
Total: $1404.39

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February 16, 2013 12:10:26 AM

For $1400 you can definitely get a better GPU than a 660, and static wrist straps are a waste of money. Just build on a clean surface and you'll be fine. There really isn't such a thing as future proofing - if you're going to wait for Haswell, wait for Haswell. If you're going to buy now, buy now.

This would be far better:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.97 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($121.74 @ Mwave)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($71.68 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($320.91 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($119.00 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus VE247H 23.6" Monitor ($167.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1370.23
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-15 21:09 EST-0500)

And yes I know it's the Micro Center deal - if you live near one great, if you don't it will run a bit more, but this will get you a better GPU and better case.

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February 16, 2013 12:17:43 AM

Minor edits in SSD, MB brand and an IPS LED screen (can so 21.5inch and save some cash) 660ti and awesome case

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.97 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($148.98 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($83.72 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($102.97 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Galaxy GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($274.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master Storm Enforcer ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($174.99 @ Best Buy)
Keyboard: Logitech MK520 Wireless Ergonomic Keyboard w/Laser Mouse ($45.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1381.53
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-15 21:21 EST-0500)
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February 16, 2013 12:22:35 AM

If you got a Micro Center close to you go with this

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($83.72 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($71.68 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($369.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Acer G236HLBbd 60Hz 23.0" Monitor ($110.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1377.27
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-15 21:22 EST-0500)
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February 16, 2013 2:39:09 AM

It looks like you all think a better GPU is a smart move, looking at these builds I agree.
Are the Corsair cases good for cable management? I liked the Rosewill because of the pre-installed fans, but I guess I can pick up a few easily.
Is IPS more important than a low response time? 5ms grey to grey seems slow from what I've read.
My only gripe about the Corsair PSU is that it isn't modular, but if I get a good case I suppose it will handle the extra cables.
I'm also a little surprised that no one recommended an Asus board, I had heard they were near the top for quality. Anyway, thanks for all the great help!
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February 16, 2013 3:34:21 AM

Corsair cases are great I use them to build my Rigs all the time enough space for me and i have big hands

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February 16, 2013 3:38:45 AM

martinuv said:
It looks like you all think a better GPU is a smart move, looking at these builds I agree.
Are the Corsair cases good for cable management? I liked the Rosewill because of the pre-installed fans, but I guess I can pick up a few easily.
Is IPS more important than a low response time? 5ms grey to grey seems slow from what I've read.
My only gripe about the Corsair PSU is that it isn't modular, but if I get a good case I suppose it will handle the extra cables.
I'm also a little surprised that no one recommended an Asus board, I had heard they were near the top for quality. Anyway, thanks for all the great help!


1. Yes - I have two of them. They're some of the best cases on the market. The fans they include are not great but they can be easily replaced.

2. IPS means that there's a greater DPI in a smaller frame. Laptops, Netbooks, and tablets use this technology to achieve high resolutions given small frame factors.

3. Modular PSUs are kind of a luxury item. There's low cost ones out there but they're not of the highest quality.

4. Asus makes good boards, but Asrock is made in the same factory as Asus and they have the same quality for less money. Gigabyte makes great boards as well, they're all I use.
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February 16, 2013 5:58:14 AM

Yep a strong GPU is very important in gaming builds

5ms i plenty fine for a response time and I doubt you'll really notice it and IPS does giver higher image quality
AsRock is a spin off from Asus that used to do budget boards but not that it is spun off, they do higher end boards too The Extreme 4 is a bit inferior than the ud3h or the asus board but it is still great and is cheaper

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February 16, 2013 11:43:52 AM

asrock boards tend to cut corners in some parts. for example, the asrock extreme4 doesnt have very good caps. they are around the same grade as what msi offers on their low end stuff

modular is only really useful when you have a psu thats 650w+. 550w units are still very manageable. the xfx unit is also way better than the corsair cx series

IPS panels give better colour saturation and generally sharper colours. but they tend to cost more than the standard TN
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February 16, 2013 9:23:40 PM

if you go with my suggestion, they both fit in properly
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February 16, 2013 9:41:40 PM

AFAIK this gigabyte card is just as fast and just as cool running adn same price as the asus one
The ASUS, Gigabyte and Zotac mdoels are clocked faster than the MSI one so it's interesting that tne MSI was faster in the reviews (there is flucuation between specific cards and each run is gonna hve slight differences)

If I had to choose I would grab the asus > gigabyte > Zotac > MSI

gigabyte one

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Zotac model

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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February 16, 2013 10:49:34 PM

msi will always run faster in the reviews. they boost very high out of the box (base clock almost means nothing) and the review units were the older overvoltable units. bigcyco pushed his cards to something like 1400mhz and 1.3v
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February 16, 2013 11:03:27 PM

Yeah, I noticed that it was clocked slower. It supposedly had better memory bandwidth though. Anyway, I probably will go with the Asus.

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February 16, 2013 11:06:06 PM

id rather not. they always cost 20 bucks more than a msi or a gigabyte
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February 16, 2013 11:06:28 PM

Yeah the old MSI ones were great

The Zotac and gigabyte ones have the highest boost, the msi the middle and asus the least

Only the zotac has more mem bandwidth

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February 16, 2013 11:09:57 PM

that just depends on your memory overclock
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February 16, 2013 11:46:31 PM

to clarify the highest mem bandwidth out of the box
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February 16, 2013 11:53:46 PM

its a tweak that anyone can do in 30 seconds
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February 17, 2013 12:38:39 AM

I haven't read through the comments, so my apologies if this has been said already;
What are you going to use all that processor power for? It seems unnecessary, when a i5 3570k could do the same job with that build and not be anywhere near bottlenecking anything- just my thought :-)
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February 17, 2013 12:53:19 AM

packerfanatic said:
I haven't read through the comments, so my apologies if this has been said already;
What are you going to use all that processor power for? It seems unnecessary, when a i5 3570k could do the same job with that build and not be anywhere near bottlenecking anything- just my thought :-)


I'm paying the i5 price for an i7 chip because I've got a microcenter near me. Clearly I'm going to take yet another look at the GPU though. We are all talking about the 660 TI, right? The Asus doesn't boost as well because it's already got a factory overclock, but I'm going to look at them again anyway. Thank you guys, I'm grateful for all the insight!
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February 17, 2013 12:30:22 PM

there isnt much point of the i7 chip if you are not using it properly.

higher base clock doesnt mean that it wont boost as well
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February 17, 2013 12:53:59 PM

martinuv said:
I'm paying the i5 price for an i7 chip because I've got a microcenter near me. Clearly I'm going to take yet another look at the GPU though. We are all talking about the 660 TI, right? The Asus doesn't boost as well because it's already got a factory overclock, but I'm going to look at them again anyway. Thank you guys, I'm grateful for all the insight!

I wouldn't recommend the 660ti at any time... It completely fails at the value for money point.. I'm not up to date with the prices where you are buying, but if you can, definitely get a 7950 for at least the same amount of money or maybe less.. Oh, and get the Sapphire Vapor-X version, that card is the single best overclocker, while it stays at non-oc'ed temps and also being silent at that. Getting a 660ti over a 7950 would be a crime in me eyes, since the 7950 outperforms the 660ti in almost every aspect, heck, it outperforms the 670 as well as reference 680/7970's when overclocked! :) 
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February 17, 2013 1:01:35 PM

oh, and another reason why you shouldn't pick the 660ti;
You wrote that you would be doing a fair amount of rendering in photoshop etc. and for that the extra amount of vram/memory on the 7950 will suit you just perfect! ;) 
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February 17, 2013 1:06:25 PM

actually no. CUDA works way better for photoshop and rendering.

yes a 7950 will smack down a 660ti in raw performance, but when you want to play borderlands 2, amd cards are screwed since they dont have physx (which changes the entire game). also to note that a 660ti gives more consistent fps and stability. techreport did an article about that
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February 17, 2013 1:16:58 PM

TheBigTroll said:
actually no. CUDA works way better for photoshop and rendering.

yes a 7950 will smack down a 660ti in raw performance, but when you want to play borderlands 2, amd cards are screwed since they dont have physx (which changes the entire game). also to note that a 660ti gives more consistent fps and stability. techreport did an article about that

The Physx argument isn't really valid, because very VERY few games makes use of physx, and it's practically dying if u ask me... And AMD has it's benefits in other games as well. He will be able to play all games including Borderlands 2, he will be able to work in photoshop etc. with both cards, but when talking about potential, you just have to go with the 7950... It has so much headroom for overclocking, and the vapor-x literally gets a +30% performance, without increasing heat or noise when overclocked... Insane, and a complete bargain if u ask me (though you don't) :D 
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February 17, 2013 3:13:02 PM

what i call a bargain is that amazon had a price glitch with their dual x 7950s a month ago, selling them for 100 bucks a piece. thats a bargain
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February 17, 2013 3:36:37 PM

TheBigTroll said:
take a look at what physx does to borderlands 2. nvidia rigged it. you decide if physx looks the same
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFkDrKvBRU

Did i ever state whether physx looked the same or not? No. But would you justify a purchase based on one game, sorry, a FEW games?
The 7950 is widely considered one of the best in the bang for your buck category, whereas the 660ti= nowhere near...
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February 17, 2013 4:09:45 PM

i personally think they are both great cards, just that i recommend based on what they do. now, physx does change the entire game of borderlands 2 (i agree on the fact that its not exactly widespread), the 7950 will be less stable than the 660ti, and that photoshop does perform better on a nvidia card

take a read please
http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-ge...

http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Photosh...
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February 17, 2013 4:29:57 PM

The 7950 overclocks better, true. But take a look at this article and I think it's clear that the 660 Ti had better stability in terms of average FPS. That being said, you guys have given me something to think about. Thanks for the suggestions!

http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-ge...
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February 17, 2013 4:41:59 PM

^ the latest report from techreport shows the dx9 games have been fixed while not all dx11 games had this issue. AMD's next driver is supposed to be an overall fix thay will solve all these issues
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February 17, 2013 4:44:51 PM

Quote:
Instead, we have a crystal clear recommendation of the GeForce GTX 660 Ti over the Radeon HD 7950 for this winter's crop of blockbuster games. Perhaps AMD will smooth out some of the rough patches in later driver releases, but the games we've tested are already on the market—and Nvidia undeniably delivers the better experience in them, overall.


That's from the same Tech Report article. The one point in favor of the 7950 that I found was that it ran about 10 C cooler under load. That confirms that it will overclock better. However, I don't think overclocking would give more stable FPS. At best it would probably close the gap in performance. That being said, I'm still not 100% in love with either card. I'll probably keep looking.
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February 17, 2013 4:50:14 PM

TheBigTroll said:
i personally think they are both great cards, just that i recommend based on what they do. now, physx does change the entire game of borderlands 2 (i agree on the fact that its not exactly widespread), the 7950 will be less stable than the 660ti, and that photoshop does perform better on a nvidia card

take a read please
http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-ge...

http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Photosh...

Really? That is not helping the op, that is confusing him even more... wow.
The techreport took a heavily pre-overclocked card, and thew it into battle with a non-overclocked card, oh well, 100mhz boost, and made a result out of that. That's downright stupid. The vapor-x 7950 is MEANT to be overclocked, an if it is, the 660ti can just watch it race right past it and only wish it were something it never will be close to be. Here, let me link one of many reviews that proves it: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_7950_Vap...
Look at those numbers! It completely destroys the competition and races by reference 680 and 7970, even the 7970 ghz edition!
btw; stock vapor-x 7950 also performs better in all games than the 660ti in the techpowerup review: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_7950_Vap...
That said, vapor-x also, again very important to the equation, maintain the temps and everything, which means that it's lifespan isn't compromised even when massively overclocked....
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February 17, 2013 4:56:56 PM

martinuv said:
Quote:
Instead, we have a crystal clear recommendation of the GeForce GTX 660 Ti over the Radeon HD 7950 for this winter's crop of blockbuster games. Perhaps AMD will smooth out some of the rough patches in later driver releases, but the games we've tested are already on the market—and Nvidia undeniably delivers the better experience in them, overall.


That's from the same Tech Report article. The one point in favor of the 7950 that I found was that it ran about 10 C cooler under load. That confirms that it will overclock better. However, I don't think overclocking would give more stable FPS. At best it would probably close the gap in performance. That being said, I'm still not 100% in love with either card. I'll probably keep looking.

I can't believe this... Please read some reviews and comparisons since it's very obvious that you haven't... The 660ti falls behind in every gaming aspects compared to the vapor-x 7950, even when the 7950 is not overclocked and is at stock? Come on man, take the time and search for some valid reviews, you won't regret it. I've already linked to one of many reviews which favors the 7950 in my previous comment- spend 10 minutes and you'll probably change your mind ;) 
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February 17, 2013 4:58:14 PM

wow. the 660ti amp edition is pretty overclocked alright. so is the vapor x. the vapor x is +150mhz from a reference 800mhz. your logic?

yeah, i know a 7950 will win in raw performance, but stability, power usage, and photoshop speed, a 660ti is a better option

btw, you pulled it from the same article im using. nice
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February 17, 2013 5:06:45 PM

packerfanatic said:
I can't believe this... Please read some reviews and comparisons since it's very obvious that you haven't... The 660ti falls behind in every gaming aspects compared to the vapor-x 7950, even when the 7950 is not overclocked and is at stock? Come on man, take the time and search for some valid reviews, you won't regret it. I've already linked to one of many reviews which favors the 7950 in my previous comment- spend 10 minutes and you'll probably change your mind ;) 


It might be worth pointing out that the Sapphire HD 7950 Vapor-X 3 GB is no longer widely available at a $310 price point. This is the one that is on Amazon. Is it the same card that you're talking about? There's no point to looking through reviews of a card if it no longer exists. Either way, I will try to find more reviews.
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February 17, 2013 5:07:47 PM

TheBigTroll said:
wow. the 660ti amp edition is pretty overclocked alright. so is the vapor x. the vapor x is +150mhz from a reference 800mhz. your logic?

yeah, i know a 7950 will win in raw performance, but stability, power usage, and photoshop speed, a 660ti is a better option

btw, you pulled it from the same article im using. nice

What are you talking about? Haven't heard anything about stability issues with that card anywhere before.. That's one article stating it, doesn't makes it the truth. And power usage? Who cares about a few watts more, a FEW. That's maybe 3 bucks extra per year, and I'm actually not even sure about whether it has higher power consumption or not.
Oh, and I pulled it from the same article? Since when is techpowerup and the techreport the same site?
I hope the op have some common sense... It's really an easy choice if you ask me, and the majority of the major sites :hello: 
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February 17, 2013 5:08:16 PM

TheBigTroll said:
wow. the 660ti amp edition is pretty overclocked alright. so is the vapor x. the vapor x is +150mhz from a reference 800mhz. your logic?

yeah, i know a 7950 will win in raw performance, but stability, power usage, and photoshop speed, a 660ti is a better option

btw, you pulled it from the same article im using. nice


Yeah, that article was really helpful. Thanks!
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February 17, 2013 5:08:25 PM

Clearly this discussion has boiled down to a Radeon vs. Geforce war. I know now which two cards to look at. Thank you guys for that. Now I'll look at reviews I find and make my decision.
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February 17, 2013 5:10:46 PM

I hope you saw my last comment :-)
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February 17, 2013 5:17:38 PM

martinuv said:
Clearly this discussion has boiled down to a Radeon vs. Geforce war. I know now which two cards to look at. Thank you guys for that. Now I'll look at reviews I find and make my decision.

I'm happy to help you, though we probably just confused you even more ;-)
But let me state this, I'm not pro Radeon nor Geforce, I don't own any of either of the brands, and I've actually never owned an AMD product :-)
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February 17, 2013 10:20:06 PM

stickmansam said:
http://techreport.com/review/24218/a-driver-update-to-r...

^that is with the later driver that delivered fixes

Ehmm. nope, not at all :heink: 
Go on and read the huge debate in the comments below the article you linked. Techreport is known for being nvidia biased, and they obviously cherry-picked the games they tested and the benchmark settings were very favorable for nvidia (no tesselation-games to reveal the 660ti's weak hardware).
Everything is fixed, it was a driver issue. It's updated. 7950 wins. By several miles.
Have a nice one :hello: 
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February 17, 2013 10:33:29 PM

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