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February 16, 2013 1:25:49 AM

Hi looking to build my first gaming computer. I have a few idea

1) This build I would be using for now then updating with a steamroller chip in a few years



CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 975 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($82.18 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($77.55 @ Newegg)

Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card ($214.99 @ Newegg)

Case: Rosewill R519-BK ATX Mid Tower Case w/500W Power Supply ($74.98 @ Newegg)

Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $548.67 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-15 22:09 EST-0500)


2) This build I would want to last me for awhile. I'm just not sure how big of a upgrade steamroller will be over the piledriver. It looks like Piledriver was a pretty big deal when compared to bulldozer.

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Microcenter)

Motherboard: ASRock 970 PRO3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($82.55 @ Newegg)

Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($188.98 @ Newegg)

Case: Rosewill R519-BK ATX Mid Tower Case w/500W Power Supply ($74.98 @ Newegg)

Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $565.47 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-15 22:18 EST-0500)

Both of these build are well within my budget just curious which is better and if anything should be added to improved them without going over $700 dollars. I will also be buying an monitor and windows o/s I would like to keep the whole thing below about 1k.

I am looking to use this computer mainly for gaming. I play mostly strategy games. Europa Universalis and Totalwar series. I also enjoy RPG's like Deus Ex and Mass Effect series.

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February 16, 2013 1:58:14 AM

If you are gaming, a i3 would be better.
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February 16, 2013 2:01:20 AM

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/DOli
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/DOli/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/DOli/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($244.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $643.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-15 23:01 EST-0500)
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February 16, 2013 2:12:44 AM

Thanks for the advice. It was my understanding the cpu isn't that important as long as it doesn't 'bottleneck' the gpu. Is this true or will an I'x' chip really make a difference in performance? I know the I'x' line is the end for that architecture is it expected that the steamroller line from AMD will be competitive or superior? Just curious because upgrade potential and current pricing were my biggest reasons for looking at an amd.
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February 16, 2013 4:27:15 AM

jaywillny said:
Thanks for the advice. It was my understanding the cpu isn't that important as long as it doesn't 'bottleneck' the gpu. Is this true or will an I'x' chip really make a difference in performance? I know the I'x' line is the end for that architecture is it expected that the steamroller line from AMD will be competitive or superior? Just curious because upgrade potential and current pricing were my biggest reasons for looking at an amd.


I think that intel will be a good choice. It wont bottleneck any of todays gpus. When you want to upgrade, new processors will be out so dont try to build to upgrade.
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February 16, 2013 9:00:56 AM

camohanna said:
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/DOli
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/DOli/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/DOli/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($244.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $643.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-15 23:01 EST-0500)



This build looks capable but if I could get the price down by about 80 bucks I could possibly include a SSD drive. Would moving down from a Radeon 7870 'XT' to a standard Radeon 7850 in order to include a SSD be a good move?

P.S not nitpicking your build I'm just trying to get information about different components and how they affect game performance.
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February 16, 2013 9:35:07 AM

jaywillny said:
This build looks capable but if I could get the price down by about 80 bucks I could possibly include a SSD drive. Would moving down from a Radeon 7870 'XT' to a standard Radeon 7850 in order to include a SSD be a good move?

P.S not nitpicking your build I'm just trying to get information about different components and how they affect game performance.

What resolution are you running your monitor? 1080p 900p 768p ? It makes a difference in determing which GPU is good for you. It could be where you could knock off some money or not.

Personally I love having a SSD. You could get by on a 60GB SSD, although the 120/128gb are faster and not too much more expensive.

In gaming I'd pick a i3 over ~$100 AMD CPUs, but 3470 is gonna rock all games.
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February 16, 2013 12:25:17 PM

envy14tpe said:
What resolution are you running your monitor? 1080p 900p 768p ? It makes a difference in determing which GPU is good for you. It could be where you could knock off some money or not.

Personally I love having a SSD. You could get by on a 60GB SSD, although the 120/128gb are faster and not too much more expensive.

In gaming I'd pick a i3 over ~$100 AMD CPUs, but 3470 is gonna rock all games.


You know I'm glad you asked that question. I actually haven't picked out a monitor yet I was hoping to get something cheap maybe around 200 dollars. I don't want to go over 1k for the whole system O/S included. I would want something 720p or higher. My main mission with this system is to play the newer Totalwar games, Europa Universalis, Civ games. If you guys have any suggestions on a decent budget priced monitor or a whole system for around 1k. I'd love to hear it.

(on a side note my current computer is a dell from 10 years ago with an old ATI PCI...not PCI-E but PCI video card. So anything is a big upgrade for me.
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February 16, 2013 1:23:07 PM

jaywillny said:
You know I'm glad you asked that question. I actually haven't picked out a monitor yet I was hoping to get something cheap maybe around 200 dollars. I don't want to go over 1k for the whole system O/S included. I would want something 720p or higher. My main mission with this system is to play the newer Totalwar games, Europa Universalis, Civ games. If you guys have any suggestions on a decent budget priced monitor or a whole system for around 1k. I'd love to hear it.

(on a side note my current computer is a dell from 10 years ago with an old ATI PCI...not PCI-E but PCI video card. So anything is a big upgrade for me.

You can easily find good $150 monitors that are 23/24" and 1920x1080. Don't buy less than 1080p. And if you want 1080p then you need a decent GPU. For non fps games, a 7850 is fine, probably even a 7770 is plenty. However, if you want fps games, such as Battlefield 3, then you should get a 7870 or higher. You can easily build a $1000 system for Totalwar and Civ games; as they are not system intensive games.

For your build, stick to your budget. Those games don't need a 7870. Without OS and monitor, I think you could easily build a great $600 system that will kill those games.
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February 16, 2013 1:36:34 PM

jaywillny said:
Thanks for the advice. It was my understanding the cpu isn't that important as long as it doesn't 'bottleneck' the gpu. Is this true or will an I'x' chip really make a difference in performance? I know the I'x' line is the end for that architecture is it expected that the steamroller line from AMD will be competitive or superior? Just curious because upgrade potential and current pricing were my biggest reasons for looking at an amd.



This really depends on what games you're playing... Some games are very CPU intensive

Furthermore, I have ALWAYS been a big fan of AMD for providing great CPU's for the money in the past, and have a good friend who works @ AMD. I suppose I say this to explain my brand loyalty to them, but in my new build I had to go with Intel, because for the value/cost Intel out performs AMD right now in virtually every scenario.

I agree with those posting to go with an Intel chipset, and I highly recommend you take it to heart.

My 2 cents from an AMD fan :) 
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February 16, 2013 3:11:19 PM

From a guy who's had AMD 445 and 965, as well as Intel G530 and i3, in just the last two years, stick with the Phenom. S/I bridge from Intel is amazing, don't get me wrong, and I was just blown away by my Celeron's performance. But having 4 real cores is much smoother if you like to itunes/pandora/skype while gaming, which both my Celeron and later i3 upgrade occasionally stutter in. Granted, I'll take a stutter today over Pentium 4 HT tech, but since the Phenom is cheaper, go with that.

I'm only slightly concerned with the PSU quality for your build; Rosewill is great, but I'm still undecided on them as far as mid-performance goes. A Corsair 600W will be plenty.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case, depending on where you want quality to lie (I've used the FBM-01 a few times, very good for the money, that said, it's not much money):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... for $21

(edit: this one's definitely a better quality case, and probably better suited to your needs)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... for $45
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February 16, 2013 3:25:29 PM

I like camohanna's build. But like I said, you don't need a 7870 and don't go super cheap on a case...spend at least $40.
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February 16, 2013 3:39:55 PM

Personally I agree with Camohanna's build, as well as envy14type's concern about case choice.

I think that if you're a gamer a 7870 is a good choice, but since you said you have a $700 budget, I'd recommend forgoing the cheap nzxt and upgrading to their "Tom's Hardware Approved" model, the Phantom 410.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I realize this puts you at $710 total, but I think it would greatly improve your build with better airflow, more space and a little more solid construction in the case.

Just my 2 cents. Hope it helps
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February 16, 2013 7:03:24 PM

Thanks for all the helpful tips guys. I will be posting a revised build shortly.
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February 17, 2013 11:15:39 AM

jaywillny said:
Thanks for all the helpful tips guys. I will be posting a revised build shortly.

Looking forward to seeing your decision.
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February 19, 2013 10:09:51 PM

Sorry for the delay guys but here are my final 2

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECx4
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECx4/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECx4/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($87.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Toshiba 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($244.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VL800P1W2N (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($65.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: CoolMax 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Dell ST2220L 21.5" Monitor (EDIT 140)
Total: $996.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-19 18:51 EST-0500)


PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECIT
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECIT/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECIT/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($244.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: CoolMax 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Dell S2240L 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1067.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-19 18:52 EST-0500

The Intel Build came in a little heavy about 67 over budget if anyone can think of somewhere to trim a little fat I think this may be the better system but the case as previously stated is cheap. Please also disregard the monitor choice. If anyone could recommend a monitor for both builds that would be great. I think both of these will accomplish my goal of Shogun 2 total war on full settings. I hear that for the bigger battles you need pretty robust processors so the intel keeps looking better across the board. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated for this 1k build (monitor and o/s) included. I'm also curious if someone could show me a minimal build for high setting 4x strategy games.

Thanks
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February 19, 2013 11:34:26 PM

jaywillny said:
Sorry for the delay guys but here are my final 2

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECx4
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECx4/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECx4/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($87.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Toshiba 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($244.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VL800P1W2N (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($65.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: CoolMax 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Dell ST2220L 21.5" Monitor (EDIT 140)
Total: $996.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-19 18:51 EST-0500)


PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECIT
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECIT/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECIT/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($244.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: CoolMax 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Dell S2240L 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1067.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-19 18:52 EST-0500

The Intel Build came in a little heavy about 67 over budget if anyone can think of somewhere to trim a little fat I think this may be the better system but the case as previously stated is cheap. Please also disregard the monitor choice. If anyone could recommend a monitor for both builds that would be great. I think both of these will accomplish my goal of Shogun 2 total war on full settings. I hear that for the bigger battles you need pretty robust processors so the intel keeps looking better across the board. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated for this 1k build (monitor and o/s) included. I'm also curious if someone could show me a minimal build for high setting 4x strategy games.

Thanks


Like the builds, I have a couple of tweaks to the intel one that might help your budget a little...

First off, I'd go with a http://www.directron.com/ax78702g2dhp3e.html HD 7870 2gig Myst edition (newegg is out of stock as of today, but I found it for $239.00 on directron.com... That's $5 down.

Second I would suggest looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600 8g kit (2x4g) it shaves $10 off your price AND provides domestic customer service. I recently had the (rare) unpleasant experience of having no way to call gskill w/o calling Taiwan.

As far as monitors go, I'm assuming you want HDMI and a low Response time.. You might check out http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... same size, Full HDMI and 5ms response time.... Oh.. and it's $30 cheaper

By my math, that's a price drop of $45, which would bring your intel build much closer to your goal.

Just my 2 cents, hope it helps
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February 20, 2013 1:51:23 AM

jaywillny said:
Sorry for the delay guys but here are my final 2

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECx4
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECx4/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECx4/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($87.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Toshiba 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($244.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VL800P1W2N (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($65.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: CoolMax 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Dell ST2220L 21.5" Monitor (EDIT 140)
Total: $996.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-19 18:51 EST-0500)


PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECIT
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECIT/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ECIT/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($244.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: CoolMax 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Dell S2240L 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1067.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-19 18:52 EST-0500

The Intel Build came in a little heavy about 67 over budget if anyone can think of somewhere to trim a little fat I think this may be the better system but the case as previously stated is cheap. Please also disregard the monitor choice. If anyone could recommend a monitor for both builds that would be great. I think both of these will accomplish my goal of Shogun 2 total war on full settings. I hear that for the bigger battles you need pretty robust processors so the intel keeps looking better across the board. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated for this 1k build (monitor and o/s) included. I'm also curious if someone could show me a minimal build for high setting 4x strategy games.

Thanks



1) I think a quality power supply should be a priority, especially considering the cost of the rest of your build. A good 400-500W Corsair with a rebate would still be under $60, and it'll save a lot of potential headache.

2) usmarine1979's advice about the RAM and video card are good. Definitely try to get the 7870 LE if you can, better performance for price.

3) Windows 8 was $80 this past weekend, sign up for the newegg newsletter; Win7 also goes on sale frequently

4) Kingston 128GB SSD were also like $90 this past weekend on newegg, tiger had them as well. I think it'd be a better drive; aren't the 840s TLC? Cheap, not as long-lasting.

5) As far as 4x games go, I'd go with the i5; late game AI turns in Civ5 games on huge can really start to sweat my 955, same goes with Shogun 2. That's when I notice the biggest difference at least.

6) Really consider a better power supply.
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February 20, 2013 10:00:07 AM

Well I did find a Kingston v300 standalone 120 gb for around 25 dollars cheaper would that be a good buy. I found the Samsung on Toms Hardware list of best ssd's under 100 dollars so I went with that. Does anyone know if this Kingston product is competitive. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-recommendation-.... Maybe I could dump that extra money into the power supply.

BTW I also found Intel x25 160 gb drive for 89.99 but it is sata 3 only do most ssd's take advantage of the increased speed in sata 6?

Last question how big of a factor is overclocking I notice I can overclock on my AMD build but can't on my Intel. Also with the AMD build I could eventually upgrade to a steamroller processor in the future how big of a factor is that. Will Steamroller 6 core out perform the I5?
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