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February 16, 2013 12:25:46 PM

So im buying parts for my new pc tomorrow and i just want to double check if the parts are ok and i have a question is that a good mobo that i choose and i also have a question will i be able to crossfire the 7850 with this cpu and is this a 3.0 usb mobo because im looking for one as my Case is Strike-x G7 Devil red and it has a3.0 usb so i want my mobo to have one and also if you choose a mobo will the pin connector be long enough to reach the mobo connectors and my case has a bottom mounted psu. And last question will this setup run far cry3 and bf3 ?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-4170 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£92.35 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£35.82 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: GeIL Enhance CORSA 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£30.23 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Toshiba 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£40.00 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card (£126.60 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£33.95 @ Aria PC)
Total: £358.95
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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February 16, 2013 12:30:58 PM

Firstly, I don't suggest a Toshiba drive. You can crossfire with any CPU, I don't know what you mean by that, but your Micro board only permits 1 card, so I suggest an ATX board. FX-6300 > 4170. I can't help you elsewhere, since I don't do UK, but I it will run BF3 and Far Cry 3. BF3 probably on High-Ultra but Far Cry 3 will be Medium-High with AA turned down.
February 16, 2013 12:34:18 PM

motherboard has only 2.0 usb slot. 4 of them.
i think you should invest in a better vid card instead of crossfire (crossfire will not work out so well for you on such a little budget [because of the slower slots set up])
and the other thing is that the mobo you chose, does NOT support sli/crossfire
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February 16, 2013 12:39:18 PM

Well, that build would work alright. However, I have two concerns:

1) your CPU - what are you planning to use this computer for? For a similar price to the one you've listed, you could probably get an fx 6300, which uses AMD's newer vishera architecture AND has an extra module (over the 4170). http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd6300wmhkbox

Also, if gaming is your primary use (you haven't specified), you might want to investigate getting an i3-3220 instead, as it has stronger game performance than the fx-4100, at least. Prices at http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80637i33220

2) Your chosen motherboard only has one PCI slot. Whilst this isn't a problem with single graphics builds, it is when you're planning to xfire, as extra GPU's won't fit on! You'd need to upgrade it in the future, at the very least.
February 16, 2013 12:49:23 PM

so one of my questions was for you lot to suggest a different mobo than the one i choose and also im only going to do gaming on it and maybe occasionally Photoshop so should i get the i3 or the fx 6300? and if yes could someone make a pcpartpicker list showing what should i get thx. And the build shoud maxbe £250 without gpu
February 16, 2013 1:02:17 PM

adrianc1 said:
so one of my questions was for you lot to suggest a different mobo than the one i choose and also im only going to do gaming on it and maybe occasionally Photoshop so should i get the i3 or the fx 6300? and if yes could someone make a pcpartpicker list showing what should i get thx. And the build shoud maxbe £250 without gpu



PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/DSbz
Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/DSbz/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/DSbz/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£67.19 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£24.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£74.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£38.83 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£43.00 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£49.98 @ Novatech)
Total: £298.98
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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now.. I know the cpu looks like a downgrade, but for your build i think its a better choice. I added a great CPU cooler for you so that you can overclock it and get better performance as well as run lower temps if you dont wish.

the motherboard is capable to SLI/Crossfire

some better ram


sorry i know its a little over, but if you want to keep some options open that is the price. Obviously you can save a few pounds here and there and make the price go down maybe.. by 25 .. but i dont think its worth it. some quality parts will make this build great even though its on budget.
February 16, 2013 1:06:13 PM

this is a pretty good setup that comes to £245

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/DSbP

the mobo is crossfire ready but i recommend upgrading your graphics card instead of getting another.
February 16, 2013 1:08:22 PM

ASPEEDYNINJA said:
this is a pretty good setup that comes to £245

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/DSbP

the mobo is crossfire ready but i recommend upgrading your graphics card instead of getting another.



its not crossfire ready. doesnt have crossfire/sli
February 16, 2013 1:09:06 PM

Here's an intel version:

PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/DScd
Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/DScd/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/DScd/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor (£83.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI B75A-G43 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£57.24 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£32.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£47.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£49.98 @ Novatech)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£12.98 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £285.17
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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...aaand here's an AMD spec:

PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/DSfj
Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/DSfj/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/DSfj/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor (£98.39 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£58.99 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£32.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£47.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£49.98 @ Novatech)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£12.98 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £301.32
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-16 15:08 GMT+0000)

February 16, 2013 1:10:11 PM

the problem is i was going to buy the parts 100% tommorow and onlyhave £250 and then plan buying gpu later so could you just do a £250 buildif you can or£260 and i will see if its a good choice to go with or just wait abit and is theneed for a 550w? becuase not sure if i will be overclocking andwhy is phenom better than fx 6300?
February 16, 2013 1:10:56 PM

gussrtk said:
PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/DSbz
Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/DSbz/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/DSbz/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£67.19 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£24.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£74.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£38.83 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£43.00 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£49.98 @ Novatech)
Total: £298.98
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-16 15:01 GMT+0000)


now.. I know the cpu looks like a downgrade, but for your build i think its a better choice. I added a great CPU cooler for you so that you can overclock it and get better performance as well as run lower temps if you dont wish.

the motherboard is capable to SLI/Crossfire

some better ram



sorry i know its a little over, but if you want to keep some options open that is the price. Obviously you can save a few pounds here and there and make the price go down maybe.. by 25 .. but i dont think its worth it. some quality parts will make this build great even though its on budget.


That's RAM rated 1.65V...
February 16, 2013 1:11:58 PM

adrianc1 said:
the problem is i was going to buy the parts 100% tommorow and onlyhave £250 and then plan buying gpu later so could you just do a £250 buildif you can or£260 and i will see if its a good choice to go with or just wait abit and is theneed for a 550w? becuase not sure if i will be overclocking andwhy is phenom better than fx 6300?



well actually part that was overlooked ... for crossfire or sli you really need around the 700watt PSU mark... so there is no reason to even consider that with current build.

Phenom just fits in your budget a lot better with letting you spend a little more on other parts (yes CPU is important, but rest of the computer parts need to be good as well)
February 16, 2013 1:15:02 PM

thanks for the help so if imnot going to crosffire will this be a good build?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£67.19 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£74.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£38.83 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£43.00 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£33.95 @ Aria PC)
Total: £257.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-16 15:13 GMT+0000)


AND JUST A QESTION if i would concider crossfire how much more fps would i got on bf3 on ultra for example
February 16, 2013 1:16:32 PM

Again, I recommend 1.5V or under RAM. If you ever plan on overclocking, 1.65V will impact your overclock A LOT in a bad way.
February 16, 2013 1:20:35 PM

adrianc1 said:
thanks for the help so if imnot going to crosffire will this be a good build?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£67.19 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£74.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£38.83 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£43.00 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£33.95 @ Aria PC)
Total: £257.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-16 15:13 GMT+0000)


AND JUST A QESTION if i would concider crossfire how much more fps would i got on bf3 on ultra for example


Well, now that you oly need one PCi slot, the full atx motherboard seems a bit overkill; you could save some money with a microatx one now. As for frame improvements from xfire, it depends on how many cards being xfired, and which series they are. However, you won't ever get, say, double the framerates you would've got with one when you add another one in.
February 16, 2013 1:20:54 PM

gussrtk said:
its not crossfire ready. doesnt have crossfire/sli


sorry bout that was looking at a different mobo when i wrote that
February 16, 2013 1:23:05 PM

adrianc1 said:
thanks for the help so if imnot going to crosffire will this be a good build?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£67.19 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£74.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£38.83 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£43.00 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£33.95 @ Aria PC)
Total: £257.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-16 15:13 GMT+0000)


AND JUST A QESTION if i would concider crossfire how much more fps would i got on bf3 on ultra for example



just gonna tell you to... let the crossfire thing go. mainly because its very problematic for YOU






you should be okay with that, just a little worried with PSU... but i think it should work out





here someone was worried for you before with ram. so if you wish to go more within recommended spec here is 1.5v ram
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-memory-cmx8gx3m...

but if you look around 1.65v ram doesnt really make a diff. 1.8v is the voltage that will ruin you.





to me the build looks good, but later, get yourself a cooler and overclock that cpu a bit ;) 
February 16, 2013 1:24:31 PM

Hazzacanary said:
Well, now that you oly need one PCi slot, the full atx motherboard seems a bit overkill; you could save some money with a microatx one now. As for frame improvements from xfire, it depends on how many cards being xfired, and which series they are. However, you won't ever get, say, double the framerates you would've got with one when you add another one in.


actually yeah now you can get cheaper mobo...
February 16, 2013 1:29:01 PM

thanks for the help i will think and then get up
February 16, 2013 1:30:17 PM

gussrtk said:
just gonna tell you to... let the crossfire thing go. mainly because its very problematic for YOU






you should be okay with that, just a little worried with PSU... but i think it should work out





here someone was worried for you before with ram. so if you wish to go more within recommended spec here is 1.5v ram
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-memory-cmx8gx3m...

but if you look around 1.65v ram doesnt really make a diff. 1.8v is the voltage that will ruin you.







to me the build looks good, but later, get yourself a cooler and overclock that cpu a bit ;) 


Not necessarily. Any v above 1.5 will make you consider the fact that your RAM needs more power then others, and you can't quite OC that high by this limit. If your RAM doesn't have 1.65, it won't work.
February 16, 2013 1:40:57 PM

ok so i got 2 choices now go with AMD or INTEL so here are two build so pleasehelp me choose which one to choose! AND I WANT A 3.0 MOBO CAUSE OF THE CASE:D 

So here is an AMD one and will it play ultra bf3 with 7850?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£67.19 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£58.99 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£32.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£43.00 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£33.95 @ Aria PC)
Total: £236.12
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-16 15:26 GMT+0000)



and thats the intel one will it play bf3 on ultra?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor (£80.39 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3P Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£50.57 @ Dabs)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£32.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£33.95 @ Aria PC)
Total: £233.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-16 15:28 GMT+0000)


They are the same pric so which one to choose ? INTEL OR AMD?
February 16, 2013 1:50:40 PM

well the i3 is a better cpu, simple. i think its the better choice since your budget freed up

the great thing about the i3 is that (in case you wish to) you can later buy an i5 LGA1155 to replace the i3 for better gaming as well as GPU (so maybe in a couple of years you can pick up some upgrade)
February 16, 2013 1:52:51 PM

My vote's also with the i3 setup, especially as you're going to be gaming on it.
February 16, 2013 1:58:59 PM

ok thank you very much for your help i will also be checking this thread incase someone has a better setup or any questions
February 16, 2013 2:02:29 PM

but my concern is the i3 has 2 cores and the phenom has 4cores and if i i decide to get the i5 in 3 years will the i3 still play games like gta v if it comes out on pc? or maybe can i overclock the i3 ? and to what speed and how?
February 16, 2013 2:07:52 PM

yes that really makes you think, but the end result is that the i3 is better for you.

here is a comparison of the 2 CPUs (although the intel one is 2100 not 2120 so you can imagine that it should be better than whats on this chart)


http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/289?vs=102

February 16, 2013 2:16:14 PM

oh ok so this mobo is good if i want to upgrade to i5or i7 in the future or i should get a better one?
February 16, 2013 2:36:41 PM

adrianc1 said:
but my concern is the i3 has 2 cores and the phenom has 4cores and if i i decide to get the i5 in 3 years will the i3 still play games like gta v if it comes out on pc? or maybe can i overclock the i3 ? and to what speed and how?


Yes, the i3 has only 2 physical cores. However, it has an intel technology called hyperthreading, allowing it to process 4 threads (kind of like having two virtual cores) on 2 cores. The AMD fx series aren't that different, to be honest; Fx-4xxx chips, while advertised as quad-core are actually made up of two modules, which share some resources, making them not as powerful as "true" quad-cores in single-core performance at least.

As to the future-proofing of the i3; I doubt there's any processor today which will still be current in 3 years time! I can't say for sure if it will be be good for modern games in 2016 as they are increasingly moving towards better multi-thread utilisation (using all of the threads your processor can process, rather than just one or two like most games until a year or so ago), but it's not too much trouble to upgrade. Besides, there'll be more advanced GPUs, DDR4 ram and who knows what else by then! Just upgrade your system whenever it becomes a problem down the line. THink, if you save £20 a month, you'll have £240 a year for components - enough for a new graphics card one year, and new mobo+CPU+ ram the next!

Finally, if you're looking to overclock, the i3 is not the cpu for you. Admittedly, the AMD FX chips are pretty much all overclocking champions, but they don't perform as well as intel's chips in games (without significant overclocking) and draw more power. If you want to overclock, I suggest you beg/borrow/save/earn an extra £50, and get an i5-2500k instead. The "k" suffix on an intel CPU means it has an unlocked multiplier, facilitating overclocking. Another thing to bear in mind with overclocking: you will need a better PSU and cooling, as your CPU will get hotter and be using more power to increase clock speed.
February 16, 2013 2:38:55 PM

adrianc1 said:
oh ok so this mobo is good if i want to upgrade to i5or i7 in the future or i should get a better one?


Kind of - socket L1155 processors (ivy bridge, sandy bridge) is indeed supported, but in the future, I'd want to go for the lateest CPU, and I think intel has confirmed they're moving to a new socket for Haswell (their next processor architecture), making your current mobo outdated. Just get a new mobo (and possibly DDR4 ram) when the time comes.
February 16, 2013 2:40:40 PM

so this psu is good for i3 and if i was going to buy i5 i should get 500w or 550?
February 16, 2013 2:52:20 PM

ok thank you everyone so my build is fine for the moment so when times come i will upgrade :D 
February 16, 2013 2:54:05 PM

Well, your PSU is already pushing it a bit; the reccommended PSU for an HD 7850 is 500w, although that isn't actually necessary. A 500w or 550w would indeed be safer, although the i5 itself wouldn't actually use that much extra power, as intel's designs are fairly power efficient.
February 16, 2013 2:57:22 PM

adrianc1 said:
ok thank you everyone so my build is fine for the moment so when times come i will upgrade :D 


Pretty much - get the i3, the micro ATX motherboard, and have fun with that 7850 for at least the next year or 2!
February 17, 2013 11:36:14 AM

hey just about to buy my cpu and i saw this one Intel
Core i3-2130 so should i get the 2120 for gaming or this one should be better? and its only £5 more
February 17, 2013 11:39:38 AM

adrianc1 said:
hey just about to buy my cpu and i saw this one Intel
Core i3-2130 so should i get the 2120 for gaming or this one should be better? and its only £5 more


get the 2120
February 17, 2013 11:56:04 AM

can somone tell me why i checked on the internet it has more multiplayer clocking speed and more mhz and also whats the 2120T ?
February 17, 2013 2:14:25 PM

adrianc1 said:
can somone tell me why i checked on the internet it has more multiplayer clocking speed and more mhz and also whats the 2120T ?


sorry for some reason we're looking at 2120 Sandry bridge... if you wish to spend a few bucks more for something like 2130 then you should just go with i3-3220 Ivy bridge, this is the newest gen cpu.


the 2120 and 3220 cpu both say 3.3Ghz but in reality the 3220 is a bit faster just because of new technology. its still an LGA1155 socket so no need to change anything else.
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