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Anonymous
September 3, 2005 8:00:00 PM

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I have two friends who have 16X9 HDTVs. One is a Sony 34 inch picture
tube and the other is a Pioneer 65 inch rear screen projection. Both
have Pioneer CLD-703 players. The Sony is connected using the
composite video input, and the Pioneer is using the S-Video input. In
both cases when they play a widescreen Laserdisc they do not get a
picture the fill the screen from left to right. In theory if the film
is in 1:85 (modern standard frame) the picture should fill their
screens. If the film is in Panavision (2:25) or CinemaScope (2:55) or
other process they picture should fill the screens from left to right
with black banks along the top and bottom. This is the way DVD's play
on their systems. However, what they get is a smaller perfectly
centered picture with black bars on all four sides. They can stretch
the picture to fill the screens by using their TV's different screen
modes, but this can cause a loss in picture quality.

Is this something that is common when playing widescreen LaserDiscs on
16X9 HDTVs. My HDTV is a Sony 40 inch picture tube in standard 4:3
aspect ratio. I watch a lot of LaserDiscs and DVD's of pre 1954 films
and this set gives me a large 1:33 picture and a good size (18X32 or
15X32) widescreen and HD picture. When I play widescreen LaserDiscs on
my old Pioneer CLD-201 (using the composite input) I get a picture
that fills the screen from left to right (32 inches) with the height
depending on the film's widescreen process. So there seems to be a
difference in how widescreen LaserDiscs play on 16X9 and 4:3 HDTVs. (I
am assuming that my friends 703 players are better than by cheapo 201
player).

I would appreciate any info, comments or advice on this subject, as I
have several friends who have large LaserDisc collections and are
about to purchase HDTVs, and this issue may influence what type they
purchase.

Thanks in advance.
Anonymous
September 3, 2005 8:00:01 PM

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Paul O'Malley wrote:
> I have two friends who have 16X9 HDTVs. One is a Sony 34 inch picture
> tube and the other is a Pioneer 65 inch rear screen projection. Both
> have Pioneer CLD-703 players. The Sony is connected using the
> composite video input, and the Pioneer is using the S-Video input. In
> both cases when they play a widescreen Laserdisc they do not get a
> picture the fill the screen from left to right. In theory if the film
> is in 1:85 (modern standard frame) the picture should fill their
> screens. If the film is in Panavision (2:25) or CinemaScope (2:55) or
> other process they picture should fill the screens from left to right
> with black banks along the top and bottom. This is the way DVD's play
> on their systems. However, what they get is a smaller perfectly
> centered picture with black bars on all four sides. They can stretch
> the picture to fill the screens by using their TV's different screen
> modes, but this can cause a loss in picture quality.
>
> Is this something that is common when playing widescreen LaserDiscs on
> 16X9 HDTVs. My HDTV is a Sony 40 inch picture tube in standard 4:3
> aspect ratio. I watch a lot of LaserDiscs and DVD's of pre 1954 films
> and this set gives me a large 1:33 picture and a good size (18X32 or
> 15X32) widescreen and HD picture. When I play widescreen LaserDiscs on
> my old Pioneer CLD-201 (using the composite input) I get a picture
> that fills the screen from left to right (32 inches) with the height
> depending on the film's widescreen process. So there seems to be a
> difference in how widescreen LaserDiscs play on 16X9 and 4:3 HDTVs. (I
> am assuming that my friends 703 players are better than by cheapo 201
> player).
>
> I would appreciate any info, comments or advice on this subject, as I
> have several friends who have large LaserDisc collections and are
> about to purchase HDTVs, and this issue may influence what type they
> purchase.
>
> Thanks in advance.

It seems that you don't know the difference between anamorphic
widescreen and non-anamorphic widescreen. Here is a primer. Read it
and then if you still have questions, post again:

<http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/anamo...;

and

<http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/anamo...;

HTH,

-Junior
Anonymous
September 3, 2005 9:36:14 PM

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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:00:00 GMT, Paul O'Malley <paulomalley@comcast.net> wrote:


>I have two friends who have 16X9 HDTVs. One is a Sony 34 inch picture
>tube and the other is a Pioneer 65 inch rear screen projection. Both
>have Pioneer CLD-703 players. The Sony is connected using the
>composite video input, and the Pioneer is using the S-Video input. In
>both cases when they play a widescreen Laserdisc they do not get a
>picture the fill the screen from left to right. In theory if the film

RTF(tv)M.

The problem is taking a 4:3 picture (output by the LD player) and putting it
into a 16:9 screen using blank bars left and right.


See if the LD player has an anamorphic mode.
Anonymous
September 3, 2005 11:19:13 PM

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"AZ Nomad" <aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com> wrote in message
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> See if the LD player has an anamorphic mode.

Laserdisc players do not have "anamorphic" modes. Except for a very
small selection of specialty discs, widescreen laserdiscs are
non-anamorphic letterbox.
Anonymous
September 4, 2005 3:33:40 AM

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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 19:19:13 GMT, Joshua Zyber <jzyber@mind-NOSPAM-spring.com> wrote:


>"AZ Nomad" <aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com> wrote in message
>news:slrndhjnoe.k26.aznomad@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
>> See if the LD player has an anamorphic mode.

>Laserdisc players do not have "anamorphic" modes. Except for a very
>small selection of specialty discs, widescreen laserdiscs are
>non-anamorphic letterbox.

yeah, that's been the way I've known them.

step two: rtfm.
September 4, 2005 4:45:30 PM

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Whats the deal, if you play a letterbox laserdisc it should look fine
on a 16:9 monitor. Correct? I guess I have never heard of these
problems with the film in the middle of the screen..


Paul O'Malley wrote:
> I have two friends who have 16X9 HDTVs. One is a Sony 34 inch picture
> tube and the other is a Pioneer 65 inch rear screen projection. Both
> have Pioneer CLD-703 players. The Sony is connected using the
> composite video input, and the Pioneer is using the S-Video input. In
> both cases when they play a widescreen Laserdisc they do not get a
> picture the fill the screen from left to right. In theory if the film
> is in 1:85 (modern standard frame) the picture should fill their
> screens. If the film is in Panavision (2:25) or CinemaScope (2:55) or
> other process they picture should fill the screens from left to right
> with black banks along the top and bottom. This is the way DVD's play
> on their systems. However, what they get is a smaller perfectly
> centered picture with black bars on all four sides. They can stretch
> the picture to fill the screens by using their TV's different screen
> modes, but this can cause a loss in picture quality.
>
> Is this something that is common when playing widescreen LaserDiscs on
> 16X9 HDTVs. My HDTV is a Sony 40 inch picture tube in standard 4:3
> aspect ratio. I watch a lot of LaserDiscs and DVD's of pre 1954 films
> and this set gives me a large 1:33 picture and a good size (18X32 or
> 15X32) widescreen and HD picture. When I play widescreen LaserDiscs on
> my old Pioneer CLD-201 (using the composite input) I get a picture
> that fills the screen from left to right (32 inches) with the height
> depending on the film's widescreen process. So there seems to be a
> difference in how widescreen LaserDiscs play on 16X9 and 4:3 HDTVs. (I
> am assuming that my friends 703 players are better than by cheapo 201
> player).
>
> I would appreciate any info, comments or advice on this subject, as I
> have several friends who have large LaserDisc collections and are
> about to purchase HDTVs, and this issue may influence what type they
> purchase.
>
> Thanks in advance.
September 4, 2005 8:23:40 PM

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can you use a iScan to TV to correct this? I guess what I am saying
does it look bad being zoomed, there a lot of people that use crt
prokectors with LD players.

Thanks
Anonymous
September 4, 2005 10:31:42 PM

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Grasshopper wrote:

> can you use a iScan to TV to correct this? I guess what I am saying
> does it look bad being zoomed

I play LD style widescreen using Zoom on my
73" screen via s-video all the time and it
looks darn good, if I kick on noise reduction
and digital sharpness it looks just about like
I didn't have Zoom on at all.


drc :) 
Anonymous
September 5, 2005 2:02:07 AM

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"Grasshopper" <Duanevw2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125863129.993547.32690@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Whats the deal, if you play a letterbox laserdisc it should look fine
> on a 16:9 monitor. Correct? I guess I have never heard of these
> problems with the film in the middle of the screen..

Playing OAR LD's on a widescreen TV will roughly be the same as playing any
non-anamorphic LB DVD....
Anonymous
September 5, 2005 3:00:09 AM

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"Grasshopper" <Duanevw2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125863129.993547.32690@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Whats the deal, if you play a letterbox laserdisc it should look fine
> on a 16:9 monitor. Correct? I guess I have never heard of these
> problems with the film in the middle of the screen..

You just need to use the "Zoom" setting on the TV to fill the screen.
Anonymous
September 5, 2005 5:23:31 PM

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This is correct; There were only a few special "anamorphically squeezed"
LD's ever made. I was given a copy of "The Fugitive". Not sure what the
other titles were.

Remember, Widescreen LD's started coming out in the 80's. No-one was even
thinking 16X9 TV's at that time.

You have to Zoom, Expand, or whatever your selection is to fill the screen.
Then remember LD's look best on an Analog TV's. The newer digital sets are
really tuned for Digital encoded signals, DVD, OTR HD, and Satellite/Cable
digital.

Kurtis

"Joshua Zyber" <jzyber@mind-NOSPAM-spring.com> wrote in message
news:RGmSe.6282$_84.4119@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> "AZ Nomad" <aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com> wrote in message
> news:slrndhjnoe.k26.aznomad@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
>> See if the LD player has an anamorphic mode.
>
> Laserdisc players do not have "anamorphic" modes. Except for a very small
> selection of specialty discs, widescreen laserdiscs are non-anamorphic
> letterbox.
>
Anonymous
September 5, 2005 9:25:28 PM

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"Grasshopper" <Duanevw2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125876220.091462.225330@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> can you use a iScan to TV to correct this? I guess what I am saying
> does it look bad being zoomed, there a lot of people that use crt
> prokectors with LD players.

Yes, a decent video scaler can improve the quality of the image when
zoomed.
Anonymous
September 5, 2005 10:36:51 PM

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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 23:00:09 GMT, "Joshua Zyber"
<jzyber@mind-NOSPAM-spring.com> wrote:

>"Grasshopper" <Duanevw2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1125863129.993547.32690@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Whats the deal, if you play a letterbox laserdisc it should look fine
>> on a 16:9 monitor. Correct? I guess I have never heard of these
>> problems with the film in the middle of the screen..
>
>You just need to use the "Zoom" setting on the TV to fill the screen.
>
which then in turn, tosses the quality in the toliet.
Anonymous
September 5, 2005 10:36:52 PM

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>>You just need to use the "Zoom" setting on the TV to fill the screen.
>>
>
> which then in turn, tosses the quality in the toliet.

I do this on my 73" all the time - kick on noise
reduction and also VMS Sharpness and it looks
just fine.


drc :) 
Anonymous
September 6, 2005 11:13:43 PM

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blueoptics wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 23:00:09 GMT, "Joshua Zyber"
> <jzyber@mind-NOSPAM-spring.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Grasshopper" <Duanevw2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1125863129.993547.32690@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>Whats the deal, if you play a letterbox laserdisc it should look fine
>>>on a 16:9 monitor. Correct? I guess I have never heard of these
>>>problems with the film in the middle of the screen..
>>
>>You just need to use the "Zoom" setting on the TV to fill the screen.
>>
>
> which then in turn, tosses the quality in the toliet.

No, it doesn't. The quality is the same over the entire image. All that
has happened is the pels have gotten larger.

Matthew

--
Thermodynamics and/or Golf for dummies: There is a game
You can't win
You can't break even
You can't get out of the game
Anonymous
September 9, 2005 8:07:41 AM

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On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:13:43 -0400, "Matthew L. Martin"
<nothere@notnow.never> wrote:

>blueoptics wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 23:00:09 GMT, "Joshua Zyber"
>> <jzyber@mind-NOSPAM-spring.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Grasshopper" <Duanevw2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1125863129.993547.32690@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>>Whats the deal, if you play a letterbox laserdisc it should look fine
>>>>on a 16:9 monitor. Correct? I guess I have never heard of these
>>>>problems with the film in the middle of the screen..
>>>
>>>You just need to use the "Zoom" setting on the TV to fill the screen.
>>>
>>
>> which then in turn, tosses the quality in the toliet.
>
>No, it doesn't. The quality is the same over the entire image. All that
>has happened is the pels have gotten larger.
>
>Matthew


wow...you know nothing about video, and even more, you have proven my
point for me.

you just keep on doing what you think is good, and all will be well
with the world.
Anonymous
September 9, 2005 12:00:54 PM

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I've found that when I first got my Phillips 30 inch 16 X 9 set I'd try
watching laserdiscs with the zoom feature to eliminate the black side
bars.
This added a lot of digitalization to the picture. Plenty of
distracting digital artifacts.
I now watch lasers in the proper aspect ratio, with the black side
bars and find the picture quality much improved.
I do find that animation, such as Toy Story CAV box set, can be zoomed
and still look reasonably good.
Kevin
Anonymous
September 9, 2005 5:32:30 PM

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"blueoptics" <see@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>No, it doesn't. The quality is the same over the entire image. All
>>that
>>has happened is the pels have gotten larger.
>
> wow...you know nothing about video, and even more, you have proven my
> point for me.
>
> you just keep on doing what you think is good, and all will be well
> with the world.

Unless you have something substantive to add, such as a technical
explanation of why he is wrong, jerky posts like this contribute nothing
to the conversation here.
Anonymous
September 9, 2005 6:09:25 PM

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I just use the stretch feature for everything except DVDs. It makes
everything in the middle normal. Anyway with the fatening of America,
haveing everybody a little wider doesn't seem so out of place.

"Kevin Hawerchuk" <KevHaw@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21293-43217976-360@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net...
> I've found that when I first got my Phillips 30 inch 16 X 9 set I'd try
> watching laserdiscs with the zoom feature to eliminate the black side
> bars.
> This added a lot of digitalization to the picture. Plenty of
> distracting digital artifacts.
> I now watch lasers in the proper aspect ratio, with the black side
> bars and find the picture quality much improved.
> I do find that animation, such as Toy Story CAV box set, can be zoomed
> and still look reasonably good.
> Kevin
>
Anonymous
September 9, 2005 11:10:59 PM

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Joshua Zyber wrote:
> "blueoptics" <see@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:v4k2i1pn1u1cc73da4kr8a3676gabo1koa@4ax.com...
>
>>>No, it doesn't. The quality is the same over the entire image. All
>>>that
>>>has happened is the pels have gotten larger.
>>
>>wow...you know nothing about video, and even more, you have proven my
>>point for me.
>>
>>you just keep on doing what you think is good, and all will be well
>>with the world.
>
>
> Unless you have something substantive to add, such as a technical
> explanation of why he is wrong, jerky posts like this contribute nothing
> to the conversation here.

I don't expect we will hear from blueoptics again on this thread.

Matthew

--
Thermodynamics and/or Golf for dummies: There is a game
You can't win
You can't break even
You can't get out of the game
Anonymous
September 15, 2005 11:34:39 PM

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On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 13:32:30 GMT, "Joshua Zyber"
<jzyber@mind-NOSPAM-spring.com> wrote:

>"blueoptics" <see@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:v4k2i1pn1u1cc73da4kr8a3676gabo1koa@4ax.com...
>>>No, it doesn't. The quality is the same over the entire image. All
>>>that
>>>has happened is the pels have gotten larger.
>>
>> wow...you know nothing about video, and even more, you have proven my
>> point for me.
>>
>> you just keep on doing what you think is good, and all will be well
>> with the world.
>
>Unless you have something substantive to add, such as a technical
>explanation of why he is wrong, jerky posts like this contribute nothing
>to the conversation here.
>
>
out of all people, given your high status in the laserdisc community,
i would have not expected you to say such a thing, considering you
know exactly what i am talking about.

rather than talk myself, i will let another post do the talking for
me...

----------------------------

I've found that when I first got my Phillips 30 inch 16 X 9 set I'd
try
watching laserdiscs with the zoom feature to eliminate the black side
bars.
This added a lot of digitalization to the picture. Plenty of
distracting digital artifacts.
I now watch lasers in the proper aspect ratio, with the black side
bars and find the picture quality much improved.
I do find that animation, such as Toy Story CAV box set, can be
zoomed
and still look reasonably good.
Kevin
Anonymous
September 16, 2005 7:43:40 AM

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"blueoptics" <see@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:4i4ki1pcteq3keb5u8j85sauusnog03ikt@4ax.com...
>>> wow...you know nothing about video, and even more, you have proven
>>> my
>>> point for me.
>>>
>>> you just keep on doing what you think is good, and all will be well
>>> with the world.
>>
>>Unless you have something substantive to add, such as a technical
>>explanation of why he is wrong, jerky posts like this contribute
>>nothing
>>to the conversation here.
>>
> out of all people, given your high status in the laserdisc community,
> i would have not expected you to say such a thing, considering you
> know exactly what i am talking about.

Yes, I know what you're talking about. Unfortunately, you're still a
jerk.

If you're going to make a jerky post that tells someone off, next time
try to add a little something of substance to back it up. Otherwise,
hit-and-run insults accomplish nothing but wasting everyone's time.
!