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February 24, 2013 4:09:32 AM

Hello everyone. I'm going to attempt to build my first computer. I would appreciate it if some of you guys would take a look at what I'm planning to do and tell me if you think it will work. I found a thread with a guideline for asking for help, so here we go:

Approximate Purchase Date: As soon as I'm sure I know what I'm doing.

Budget Range: under $1000 - I'm a broke college student so the cheaper the better.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Computer programming environments (VS2010, Eclipse, Expression Web), Visio, Excel, etc, general web browsing.

Are you buying a monitor: Yes (hopefully two).

Parts to Upgrade: I don't think this field is relevant to my situation.

Do you need to buy OS: Yes - I intend to take advantage of a student discount on software from my college.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: I've picked these parts from newegg.com.

Location: Myrtle Beach, SC, USA.

Parts Preferences: Intel I suppose; I hear they offer the best performance.

Overclocking: Maybe - This is something I'm not familiar with.

SLI or Crossfire: No.

Your Monitor Resolution: I'm undecided as of now.

Additional Comments: I'm moving up from a laptop with a c50 processor.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: I have a hard time running multiple programs on my current system. Also, I'm transferring to a 4 year university and my current system doesn't meet the standards set by the computer department.

Include a list of any parts you have already selected with descriptively labeled links for parts. Please do not post only links.

ASUS P8Z77-V LK LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS $149.99 (also comes with 8GB Ram for free)

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K

SAMSUNG 840 Series MZ-7TD120BW 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $109.99

Kingston HyperX Beast 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model KHX16C9T3K2/8X 2 of these at $59.99 for a total of $119.98

CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 430W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply $44.99

RAIDMAX Blade ATX-298WR Black/Red Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $59.99

The total cost is up to $602.94 including shipping.

I have an optical drive/keyboard/mouse/speakers laying around I can use in the new system. The power supply I chose is about 50 watts over what was suggested by newegg's wattage calculator tool; I figured it wouldn't hurt to have a little overhead. I still need to pick up a couple new (hopefully cheap) monitors. I'm not even sure if I need the i5 processor; I just want a quick computer capable of running multiple applications simultaneously. The same goes for the video card, I just picked it because it looked like it was capable of a dual monitor setup; I don't really do anything graphically demanding. Do you guys see any way I may be able to cut costs on this rig without sacrificing too much computing power?

Thanks in advance,
Ian

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February 24, 2013 4:20:54 AM

P67 chipset motherboards are old and lack features of the latest Z77 chipset

The 2500K has been replaced by the 3570K

Unless you know the programs you are using are 64 bit you probably dont need more than 2 x4 gig of RAM

The processors have a graphics system built in so paying for a card is pointless

The sparkle 350 watt power supply is a poor quality unit thats most likely use would be as a door stop .
Buy a 400 - 500 watt 80+ bronze or better rated PSU
February 24, 2013 4:35:41 AM

You're programming, not gaming, so here's what I would do (I would also consider just getting a nicer laptop. That way you can hit the coffee shop while working).

Here's the deal. You don't need a lot of the things in your build: You don't need 16Gb RAM, you don't need a Video Card, you don't need a K series processor.

You do need things you don't have: A quality mobo, a quality psu, you do need a harddrive.

This computer has everything you need, and nothing you don't. I gave you a quality PSU that's big enough that you can add a video card later (should you decide to play games). It has a quality processor, a 1tb HDD, a good SSD, quality RAM (8Gb is overkill for your need, even). I didn't give you a OS, since you said you want to get a "student" discount. That said, OEM is probably cheaper. Anyway, here you go. Hope it helps.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($188.79 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($55.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($73.49 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Crucial V4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.68 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $600.48 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-24 01:43 EST-0500)
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February 24, 2013 4:38:14 AM

Better PSU, corsair or antec are fairly reliable.(the latter less so).
If you're spending $60 on a gpu, get a 6670. much better.
If you dont intend to overclock, buy a i5 3470. faster at stock clock rates.
Buy 16 gigs ram, not 32, and spend a max of about $55 on that part.

Coming from a c-60, this computer will be at least (not even kidding) ten times as fast.
February 24, 2013 4:45:45 AM

Thanks for the quick reply! I've spent a little more time looking at parts and ended up with better quality for a cheaper price. I'll be editing my first post to show the changes.
-Ian
February 24, 2013 4:47:53 AM

eyeage said:
You're programming, not gaming, so here's what I would do (I would also consider just getting a nicer laptop. That way you can hit the coffee shop while working).

Here's the deal. You don't need a lot of the things in your build: You don't need 16Gb RAM, you don't need a Video Card, you don't need a K series processor.

You do need things you don't have: A quality mobo, a quality psu, you do need a harddrive.

This computer has everything you need, and nothing you don't. I gave you a quality PSU that's big enough that you can add a video card later (should you decide to play games). It has a quality processor, a 1tb HDD, a good SSD, quality RAM (8Gb is overkill for your need, even). I didn't give you a OS, since you said you want to get a "student" discount. That said, OEM is probably cheaper. Anyway, here you go. Hope it helps.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($55.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($73.49 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Crucial V4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.68 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $561.68 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-24 01:34 EST-0500)


I think this is very much on the right track .
The two components that are worth mentioning would be the case . The 200R is a good budget gamer case . A non gamer build could be better with a case designed to reduce noise . Its much nice to not have the computer fans intruding while you work .
Antec solo , cm silencio , could be better options though they cost more

For power supply I would probably use the corsair CX 430 , or a 400 watt silverstone strider but the XFX is a good unit too
February 24, 2013 4:50:03 AM
February 24, 2013 5:06:03 AM

Thanks very much for the response. I'm curious why I would need a HDD as well as a SSD? Couldn't I save the 75 bucks by skipping the HDD? Sorry if that's a silly question; I took a hardware course about a year ago, but I feel like everything I learned is obsolete already.
February 24, 2013 5:35:12 AM

Well, the SSD is for fast information retrieval. I wouldn't use it for anything except the OS (or maybe the programs you're running to program with). That said, you'll probably want a place to store projects, papers, etc. That is where the HDD comes in. You could probably get away with a much smaller HDD, but you won't save much. Maybe $25 by going to a 500Gb.

As far as the gaming case. Outlander is probably right, though, one could argue a micro atx is the right build for you. I simply put the 200r in there because the price is right, and it allows plenty of room should you want to upgrade later (and you obviously wouldn't have to hook up the fans that come in the case, the rear fan would be enough.

As far as the XFX, it's a rebranded seasonic, so I would suggest it over the CX corsair.

Here's a small form factor build (same thing with different MOBO/Case). It'll be quieter, and smaller, but might restrict you, should you want to expand (though it doesn't seem like that'd be an issue for your intended usage).

Again, I'll stress that a quality laptop could serve your purpose, and have a more practical usage (and you can hook up another monitor to it when you're at home).

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($188.79 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($55.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($73.49 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Crucial V4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.68 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.90 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $567.83 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-24 02:34 EST-0500)
February 24, 2013 6:15:12 AM

Again, the "K" series processors (3570k for instance) are unlocked processors. Meaning they can be overclocked. 3570 and 3570k are the same processor, except you can overclock the 3570k. I feel fairly certain you won't be overclocking.

Also, the 3470 will perform as well as the 3570. The mobo ram deal isn't that great because it's one stick of 8Gb RAM (if it's the one I'm thinking). Probably sufficient for you, but not as good as 2x4gb. Honestly, you could probably get away with 1 stick of 8gb, but why would you pay more and get less performance. The build I made for you (at a cheaper price than yours) would outperform the one you made :) 
February 24, 2013 6:21:37 AM

Raidmax is horrible - stay very very far away!!!

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3350P 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($55.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($110.38 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 430W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($65.17 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($21.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $736.04
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-24 03:21 EST-0500)
February 24, 2013 7:19:16 AM

@gunit

agree 3350p probably sufficient for processing needs, but with the need to get a graphics card. It becomes a price/performance issue. Spending more for no gain in performance for his usage. My thought on this would change if OP had any indication to game.

Samsung SSD probably overpriced for what he needs (he's trying to cheap it up)

XFX slightly cheaper, rebranded seasonic.
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