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January 6, 2013 10:26:58 PM

Greetings;

I recently purchased a refurbished lenovo thinkcentre M55e; I wanted to upgrade the graphics card to a card w/ an HDMI port. Bought a XFX1 recommended elsewhere on these forums.

BUT: What I 'think' is the pci express slot is not configured for the card - (see photo here: ): the separator is in the wrong place and it almost looks like the card is too big. Also, if I could install the card; the ports would be 'inside' the box - not sticking out the expansion slot - the pci express slot is 'upside down'?

OK - everyone laugh now!! what have I missed? ;) 


Ran cpuid for specs: here's what it said - let me know if you need more:

MB: Lenovo LENOVO (0x000001D3 - 0x0061A5E0)
Chipset
Northbridge Intel 946PL/GZ rev. C1
Southbridge Intel 82801GB (ICH7/R) rev. A1
Memory Type DDR2
Memory Size 2048 MBytes

PCI capability (is this the right data? do I have a pci express slot? it says 'physical slot #0 ??)
Caps class PCI Express
Caps offset 0xA0
Device type Root Port of PCI-E Root Complex
Port 2
Version 1.0
Physical slot #0
Presence detect no
Link width 0x (max 16x)



Thanks in advance

Kelly




a c 133 U Graphics card
January 6, 2013 10:33:29 PM

can you fix your link to the photo so I can see please :) 
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January 6, 2013 10:36:30 PM

hondochica said:
Greetings;

I recently purchased a refurbished lenovo thinkcentre M55e; I wanted to upgrade the graphics card to a card w/ an HDMI port. Bought a XFX1 recommended elsewhere on these forums.

BUT: What I 'think' is the pci express slot is not configured for the card - (see photo here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/91939719@N07/8356118230/in/photostream): the separator is in the wrong place and it almost looks like the card is too big. Also, if I could install the card; the ports would be 'inside' the box - not sticking out the expansion slot - the pci express slot is 'upside down'?

OK - everyone laugh now!! what have I missed? ;) 


Ran cpuid for specs: here's what it said - let me know if you need more:

MB: Lenovo LENOVO (0x000001D3 - 0x0061A5E0)
Chipset
Northbridge Intel 946PL/GZ rev. C1
Southbridge Intel 82801GB (ICH7/R) rev. A1
Memory Type DDR2
Memory Size 2048 MBytes

PCI capability (is this the right data? do I have a pci express slot? it says 'physical slot #0 ??)
Caps class PCI Express
Caps offset 0xA0
Device type Root Port of PCI-E Root Complex
Port 2
Version 1.0
Physical slot #0
Presence detect no
Link width 0x (max 16x)



Thanks in advance

Kelly


See if this helps. You didn't give a specific series # so I'm winging it.

http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/product-and-parts/detai...

Where on the systemboard is the port at? Close to the sides, in the middle?
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a b U Graphics card
January 6, 2013 10:37:13 PM

hondochica said:
Greetings;

I recently purchased a refurbished lenovo thinkcentre M55e; I wanted to upgrade the graphics card to a card w/ an HDMI port. Bought a XFX1 recommended elsewhere on these forums.

BUT: What I 'think' is the pci express slot is not configured for the card - (see photo here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/91939719@N07/8356118230/in/photostream): the separator is in the wrong place and it almost looks like the card is too big. Also, if I could install the card; the ports would be 'inside' the box - not sticking out the expansion slot - the pci express slot is 'upside down'?

OK - everyone laugh now!! what have I missed? ;) 


Ran cpuid for specs: here's what it said - let me know if you need more:

MB: Lenovo LENOVO (0x000001D3 - 0x0061A5E0)
Chipset
Northbridge Intel 946PL/GZ rev. C1
Southbridge Intel 82801GB (ICH7/R) rev. A1
Memory Type DDR2
Memory Size 2048 MBytes

PCI capability (is this the right data? do I have a pci express slot? it says 'physical slot #0 ??)
Caps class PCI Express
Caps offset 0xA0
Device type Root Port of PCI-E Root Complex
Port 2
Version 1.0
Physical slot #0
Presence detect no
Link width 0x (max 16x)



Thanks in advance

Kelly





That slot in your picture is designed for low bandwidth expansion cards...









The top one in the picture is a proper pcie slot that you would need, do you have one?
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January 6, 2013 10:39:18 PM

According to the diagram:



#17 and #19 should be your PCI-E connectors.
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a c 133 U Graphics card
January 6, 2013 10:41:46 PM

I got her picture fixed
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a c 133 U Graphics card
January 6, 2013 10:49:03 PM

Yea I didn't understand that as well. It kind of looks like maybe she is using the bottom expansion slot which may be the issue. I would go with what Max suggested with slot 19 because the one she is plugging in looks like a pci slot normal not pci-e
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a c 84 U Graphics card
January 6, 2013 10:50:59 PM

the slot on the OPs pic is plain old PCI slot which seems to be on a very narrow pcb itself, some sort of riser card? looks weird anyways...

Could you take foto of the whole mobo area with the different slots?

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a c 133 U Graphics card
January 6, 2013 10:52:57 PM

That would be helpful yes ^+1 however based on the end of the slot it looks like that is the issue is that she is using a non pci express 16x slot.
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January 6, 2013 11:48:57 PM

bigshootr8 said:
can you fix your link to the photo so I can see please :) 



don't know what to say - I clicked on the link in the post and went right to the site?
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January 6, 2013 11:53:05 PM

Kari said:
yep that would explain it, risers and everything...




Wow! so many replies I can't keep up!!! :) 

yes, the pci slot thing is on a riser on the side of the board.

if it looks like I'm SOL - it's going BACK!

do you still want another photo??

kelly
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a c 117 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 12:08:51 AM

hondochica said:
here's the MB photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/91939719@N07/ hope this link works better than the first - had never used flicker before

kelly

holy crap! i just saw a dinosaur!!!

that is pci not pic-e(xpress).
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a c 133 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 12:09:54 AM

Yea I would take it back miss :) 
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a c 117 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 12:15:06 AM
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January 7, 2013 12:16:00 AM

OK - I'm posting a copy of the specs of the product when I bought it. It NEVER occurred to me that in 2012, even a refurbished computer would NOT have a pci-express slot!


Lenovo IBM ThinkCentre M55e Desktop PC - Intel Dual-Core 1.6GHz, 2GB DDR2, 80GB HDD, DVD-ROM,

Specifications
Desktop Specifications
Lifestyle Home & Student
Condition Off-Lease
Operating Systems Windows 7 Home Premium 32-Bit
Platform PC
Form Factor Small Form Factor (SFF)
Memory Module Specifications
Memory Type DDR2
Total Memory Size 2GB
Maximum Memory Supported 4GB - 64 bit
Media Ports
Serial Communication Ports 1
Parallel Ports 1
LAN Ports 1
USB Ports (Total) 2 - front
6 - rear
Audio Out Jacks 3
Microphone Jacks 1
VGA Ports 1
Processor Specifications
Processor Brand Intel
Processor Speed 1.6GHz
Hard Disk Drive Specifications
Interface SATA
Capacity 80GB
Hard Drive Types Hard Disk Drive
Speed 7,200RPM
Optical Drive Specifications
Optical Drive Class DVD-ROM
Audio Specifications
Audio Description Integrated Audio
Audio Chipset High Definition Audio
Graphics Specifications
Graphics Description Integrated Graphics
GPU/VPU Intel GMA 3000
Network Adapter Specifications
LAN Data Transfer Rate 10/100/1000Mbps
LAN Description Gigabit Ethernet
LAN Interface Type RJ-45
Mouse Specifications
Mouse Type Included
Connection Type USB
Keyboard Specifications
Keyboard Type Included
Connection Type USB
Specification Notes
Specification Notes [6] To provide the most accurate specifications, the specifications listed are based upon information provided by the vendor.



Is there anything in those specs that I missed that would have told me the MB didn't have and couldn't support a pci-express? Was I really that uninformed? or was there no way to know?

thanks

kelly

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January 7, 2013 12:21:11 AM




So . . . does this mean I can salvage this dinosaur?? All I bought it for was to watch TV via internet - it will be my 'media center' I don't game; it's just gonna sit in the living room hooked to a 32" TV (hdmi input only from pc) and let me watch Netflix, and CBS - that's about it! Oh - and it will be hooked to my stereo and serve as my digital music library server

thanks soooo much!

kelly
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a c 117 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 12:29:56 AM

hondochica said:
So . . . does this mean I can salvage this dinosaur?? All I bought it for was to watch TV via internet - it will be my 'media center' I don't game; it's just gonna sit in the living room hooked to a 32" TV (hdmi input only from pc) and let me watch Netflix, and CBS - that's about it! Oh - and it will be hooked to my stereo and serve as my digital music library server

thanks soooo much!

kelly

seems so.

i was a bit surprised to see a PCI graphics card with HDMI out when i did a quick search on new egg. so i guess all is not lost.
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a c 133 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 12:32:58 AM

loon you changed your portrait :ouch:  Not all hope is lost yea. I mean if you had just purchased it it may be a good idea to get something newer but that is up to you. But yea you can get a pci card (the slot doesn't offer much in terms of bandwidth and has been legacy (meaning out of date) for a good 10 years)
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a c 84 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 12:33:51 AM

hmm the second pic is a bit fuzzy on the important parts, is there actually a second black slot on that riser?

the chipset used on the mobo (946gz) did support pci-e after all... might not be used on that exact board but..
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January 7, 2013 12:45:25 AM

here's another photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/91939719@N07/ ) - the pci slot is the blurred white thing on top - hard to get a camera in there . . but low and behold I see 'pci-e' on the riser board! does that mean I could add a pci slot somehow? is it necessary given my stated useage? but then could use the new card I bought

kelly
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a c 133 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 12:48:20 AM

Right but it says 1x and PCI-E express slots vary in size based on speed.
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January 7, 2013 12:59:45 AM

oh . . yeah . . right . . I got excited there! So - back the a previous question - can I use a pci card just to watch movies/TV via internet - or should I send the whole thing back and start over?
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a c 133 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 1:03:35 AM

You can but let me ask you because I think this will clear up the conversation entirely what did you pay for your computer.
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a c 84 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 1:09:42 AM

there are some cards with pci-e x1 connection, but they are quite rare...
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a b U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 1:39:02 AM

hondochica, how complex do you want to make this.
Its simple did you buy a XFX 1 graphics card that says Pci-e graphics card on the box. yes or no? if the answer is yes what is the problem.
Next does the motherboard have a Pci-e graphics slot yes it does. Its the one in the diagram that hedwar2011 posted of the motherboard diagram, the card if it states it is a Pci-e express needs to be placed in the slot saying 19.

What you tried to do was put a Pci-e card into a Pci slot, that was on a riser card. Sigh !
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a b U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 2:18:16 AM

weaselman said:
hondochica, how complex do you want to make this.
Its simple did you buy a XFX 1 graphics card that says Pci-e graphics card on the box. yes or no? if the answer is yes what is the problem.
Next does the motherboard have a Pci-e graphics slot yes it does. Its the one in the diagram that hedwar2011 posted of the motherboard diagram, the card if it states it is a Pci-e express needs to be placed in the slot saying 19.

What you tried to do was put a Pci-e card into a Pci slot, that was on a riser card. Sigh !



No the MB doesn't. Look at the pics the OP posted or the service manual I posted. hedwar2011 is from the desktop version, not the SFF which the OP has, verified by the OP and doesn't have a PCI-express port designed for a graphics card. You can even look at the OP's photo's of their actual PC and see it's nothing like hedward2011's picture.
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January 7, 2013 2:29:17 AM

bigshootr8 said:
You can but let me ask you because I think this will clear up the conversation entirely what did you pay for your computer.



I paid $100

is there some way to reply to a bunch/all of you so you'll know I posted a reply to your Q/C?


Hope you all get this:

OK - Let me go back to the graphics diagram and compare that with my MB; I don't see another PCI slot but I'll look again.

Weasleman: yes I bought a XFX 1 graphics card that says pci-e; ok - maybe I'm blind or an idiot - (I'm ok w/ either but think it's neither!) but I only see 1 pci slot on the MB; that slot is pictured in the photo on flicker; below that appear to be some empty spaces to plug in other pci slots - but the MB says "PCI-e 1x. . . the card is a 16x. so what am I missing here - I'll look at my MB for slot 19. . . . . .

ok - I don't see any other PCI slots (express or otherwise) on the MB - there's a photo at flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/91939719@N07/

and thanks for all your help


kelly
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January 7, 2013 2:31:25 AM

getochkn said:
No the MB doesn't. Look at the pics the OP posted or the service manual I posted. hedwar2011 is from the desktop version, not the SFF which the OP has, verified by the OP and doesn't have a PCI-express port designed for a graphics card. You can even look at the OP's photo's of their actual PC and see it's nothing like hedward2011's picture.




THANK YOU!!!!!

Kelly
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January 7, 2013 2:37:20 AM

LET'S START FROM HERE

looniam wrote :

PCI cards w/HDMI output:
ZOTAC ZT-60604-10L GeForce GT 610 512MB 64-bit DDR3 PCI HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card $59.99

PowerColor Radeon HD 5450 512MB 64-bit DDR2 PCI HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card $69.99


Kelly wrote:

So . . . does this mean I can salvage this dinosaur?? All I bought it for was to watch TV via internet - it will be my 'media center' I don't game; it's just gonna sit in the living room hooked to a 32" TV (hdmi input only from pc) and let me watch Netflix, and CBS - that's about it! Oh - and it will be hooked to my stereo and serve as my digital music library server

thanks soooo much!

kelly


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NOW - any reason I can't use a PCI card w/ hdmi output and save myself the hassle of returning the computer? I just want to watch internet movies/TV That's it!!!!!!

Can we keep it simple!?

thanks

Kelly
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January 7, 2013 2:48:17 AM

hondochica said:
LET'S START FROM HERE

looniam wrote :

PCI cards w/HDMI output:
ZOTAC ZT-60604-10L GeForce GT 610 512MB 64-bit DDR3 PCI HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card $59.99

PowerColor Radeon HD 5450 512MB 64-bit DDR2 PCI HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card $69.99


Kelly wrote:

So . . . does this mean I can salvage this dinosaur?? All I bought it for was to watch TV via internet - it will be my 'media center' I don't game; it's just gonna sit in the living room hooked to a 32" TV (hdmi input only from pc) and let me watch Netflix, and CBS - that's about it! Oh - and it will be hooked to my stereo and serve as my digital music library server

thanks soooo much!

kelly


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NOW - any reason I can't use a PCI card w/ hdmi output and save myself the hassle of returning the computer? I just want to watch internet movies/TV That's it!!!!!!

Can we keep it simple!?

thanks

Kelly


Yes. Either of those cards can handle watching movies connected to a TV.
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January 7, 2013 3:05:45 AM

Rambisco - and all

I'm done!! I'm outta here! I'll get a PCI card w/ hdmi output - for more $$ but it's the easiest fix for me!

Thank you all so much for all your help and your time!!

You're the best!!

Happy computing!

Kelly
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January 7, 2013 3:07:40 AM

Best answer selected by hondochica.
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January 24, 2013 7:33:34 PM

hondochica said:
Best answer selected by hondochica.

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