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7950 vs 660ti (MSI)

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a c 82 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 8:56:57 PM

id get the gtx 660ti considering with the new nvidia drivers there faster than the 7950 and its cheaper also, also has adaptive vsync thats useful to eliminate screen tearing, amd has vsync but its not as good as on nvidia.

cheaper and faster , nvidia here for the win.

a b U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 8:58:32 PM

Definitely the GTX660 Ti. This is well worth a look:

http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-ge...

I don't think there's anything wrong with the 7950 inconsistency though - that's been observed in both nVidia and AMD hardware since TR started measuring this in 2011.

So 7950 won't look any less smooth than we're used to (since performance fluctuations have been standard until recently). The GTX660 Ti infact was just as inconsistent in the past, which makes me think what we're seeing there is a driver-based solution, because now it's flawlessly consistent.

I think what it boils down to is that at 30fps, a 7950 will look like 30fps. But with a GTX660 Ti, it will look smoother (since we're used to 30fps with a lot of fluctuation, not pure consistent 30fps).

Most people respond to the performance consistency thing by focusing on the inconsistency of the Radeon (which is understandable when that's exactly what the author does). Author should know better though - there's nothing unusual about fluctuations. What's really significant is the lack of fluctuation with the GTX660 Ti, which is a major improvement.

Some people will bring up the overvoltage drama with the MSI PE cards, but it was blown way out of proportion. You could buy a non-PE model if you're really worried about it, but I'd take the PE. Not like it doesn't come with a warranty :-)
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January 7, 2013 8:59:04 PM

What about the higher memory and better memory interface on the 7950 would that make much difference?
a b U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 8:59:09 PM

And huge +1 to iceclock on the adaptive v-sync :-)
a c 82 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 9:00:58 PM

thanks, i like it so much i actually sold my 7870 and bought a 660ti lol,

yeah 3gb will be useful down the road but like the 660ti and 7950 it barely uses all the power of 2gbs, so for now 2gbs is fine, 3gb doesnt necesseraly yeld more performance.

thanks sam :D 

also regarding higher bandwitch etc its got higher specs in some area but like anything, faster doesnt mean always better as the 7950 has better bandwitch but still gets beaten by a 192bit bus gtx 660ti.

January 7, 2013 9:01:22 PM

660ti PE - 2
7950 - 0

I think the free games on the 7950 tempted me so much hahaha! but really performance is a bigger seller
a b U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 9:02:39 PM

It certainly doesn't appear to be helping it in gaming performance. I think we're a long way from games requiring 3GB (and at that point, these GPUs will be obsolete anyway). The only possible exception (because some AMD fanboy will always bring it up) is Skyrim with 50 mods installed at once. Even there though I don't think the extra RAM is gonna be a deal-breaker. GTX660 Ti won't disappoint you.
January 7, 2013 9:02:48 PM

Think i'll probably sell when the next gen AMD's come out too so 660ti would probs last me until then anyway
a c 82 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 9:03:17 PM

meh what u want free games or better performance :p 
January 7, 2013 9:04:06 PM

Exactly Performance all the way plus with the money i save i can get a few games! steam have some awesome deals on atm
a b U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 9:04:44 PM

Sounds like a plan :-)
a c 134 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 9:05:36 PM

haha I like you ice. Its like if someone gave you a cookie for buying a product that wasn't as good are you going to get it because of the cookie. I'm glad you are able to look at it objectively.
January 7, 2013 9:08:10 PM

bigshootr8 said:
haha I like you ice. Its like if someone gave you a cookie for buying a product that wasn't as good are you going to get it because of the cookie. I'm glad you are able to look at it objectively.

Cookie? what?
January 7, 2013 9:09:16 PM

Don't worry my brain decided to work
I get it now
a b U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 9:10:09 PM

You need to update signature by the way iceclock :-) Dargie, you're a big MSI fan or just happens to be the best deals you found?
January 7, 2013 9:11:24 PM

Best deals and heard awesome reviews about the twin frozr fans! but if you can persuade me on another brand i'll certainly be open about it!

a c 134 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 9:11:56 PM

When I think dargie I think a dogs name >< I what icon do you suggest Sam a MSI logo :) 
January 7, 2013 9:13:35 PM

My Last name is Dargie! Dargie is a french name, "bigshootr8"
a c 134 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 9:17:13 PM

Oh I didn't know that my apologies :)  I've heard of Darby but not Dargie. I carried my name over from the days when I was using a 56k modem with 1 hour of internet on AOL :p 
a b U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 9:17:39 PM

Haha I really like MSI, but not their logo!
January 7, 2013 9:20:27 PM

SO 660ti Power Edition it is :D 
a c 134 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 9:21:47 PM

Indeed blue and black excellent theme. Hopefully it does everything you want it to do enjoy!
January 7, 2013 9:25:16 PM

Erm unrelated can any of you guys tell me why my signature isnt working its just the cpu z bb code and i check apply signature
a b U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 9:33:27 PM

Good choice :-) Enjoy your purchase.

And I'm afraid not, I don't bother with signature... why not just write it though? I find it easier to read in normal text.
January 7, 2013 9:40:05 PM

good point sam :D  oh yeah forgot to ask if the XFX 7950 Black Edition was any better than the 660ti power edition? :D 
a b U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 9:43:21 PM

Same arguments... GTX660 Ti for hugely more consistent/stable framerate delivery (not masses of fluctuations) and adaptive v-sync so way better framerates below 60 when v-sync is enabled (potentially almost double if GPU is running just under 60).
January 7, 2013 9:46:02 PM

Okay Good stuff so GTX660ti still then :) 
a b U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 9:46:55 PM

You won't regret it ;-)
a c 82 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 9:49:24 PM

im not going back to ati until they fix there vsync, its no where near as good as nvidia, they need to get there stuff together, also fix micro-stuttering on certain games, really annoying,
a c 134 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 9:51:13 PM

Hopefully they do like intel they need a competitor in the innovation area in terms of tech.
a c 82 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 9:53:37 PM

yep, amd shouldnt of bought ati, they should of continued making good cpus, look at where they are now, we need a game changer, id gladly go back to amd cpu if the performance crushed intel, last amd i had was a socket am3 965 a few years ago, ever since been intel all the way.

a b U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 9:54:57 PM

iceclock said:
thanks, i like it so much i actually sold my 7870 and bought a 660ti lol,

yeah 3gb will be useful down the road but like the 660ti and 7950 it barely uses all the power of 2gbs, so for now 2gbs is fine, 3gb doesnt necesseraly yeld more performance.

thanks sam :D 

also regarding higher bandwitch etc its got higher specs in some area but like anything, faster doesnt mean always better as the 7950 has better bandwitch but still gets beaten by a 192bit bus gtx 660ti.


LOL I did the same thing! I sold my Msi 7870 and bought a Msi 660ti; best choice ever!
a c 82 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 9:57:19 PM

nice, i like the 7870 but i experienced some micro-stuttering when had all the eye candy turned up and was annoying as hell, besides the 7800 series, i wonder what other series has this issue, because ive had other cards from ati that dint stutter like this.

weird.

a b U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 9:57:41 PM

660ti all the WAY! The nvidia FXAA makes us for the 192-bit memory interface and if the games doesn't support FXAA its really not that big of a deal! I dont see a difference between 4AA or 2AA. BF3 all settings MAX (even AA) 60+ fps! GW2 all settings max 60+fps
January 7, 2013 9:58:15 PM

iceclock said:
yep, amd shouldnt of bought ati, they should of continued making good cpus, look at where they are now, we need a game changer, id gladly go back to amd cpu if the performance crushed intel, last amd i had was a socket am3 965 a few years ago, ever since been intel all the way.

I've just upgraded from a small Pre built fx 4100 to an i5 rig and I much prefer intel!
a b U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 10:01:27 PM

And there's a better logo :-) (Gigabyte)

+1 about Intel. AMD really dropped the ball delaying Steamroller until next year. Even if it will be able to compete with Haswell, it doesn't matter now - they'll now have to compete with whatever it is Intel has for 2014 (Broadwell I think?). Even interms of integrated graphics, Intel are closing the gap fast (though who cares about integrated? :-)).
a c 82 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 10:06:07 PM

well amds processors havent done so well since a few years, yeah there budget oriented, but they dont even have a highend processor that beats intel outta the water, they need something good and quick, no wonder there losing money each year, they should of sticked to doing cpus not buying ati, also i preferred when ati owned ati, since amd bought it something feels different and quality has gone down.

a c 82 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 10:07:09 PM

also for haswell, by the time amd comes out with something it will beat the current sandy bridge stuff, and haswell will be number 1 as usual, unless amd pops out a bunny from there magic hat, at this point i dont see it happening with the direction amds going in, but who knows.

a c 134 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 10:10:37 PM

They don't have the swing they did back in the Athlon 64 (x2) FX57-FX60 days. It normally takes 2-3 cycles for them to catch up to intel now which is embarrassing. But yea hope you enjoy your 660Ti
a c 82 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 10:14:27 PM

yeah dude, is been more than 3 cycles lol, last cpu that did amd justice was the x4 am3 black editions 965-970 editions. 6cores was a flop.

a c 134 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 10:19:50 PM

Well the amd x6 1100T was a pretty decent chip but since then notta.
January 7, 2013 10:21:19 PM

Actually gonna have more money than i thought so do you think the 670 power edition is worth it? or just stick with 660ti?
a c 134 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 10:22:41 PM

You will get more value from a 670 so if you can get it get it. Get the best with what you can afford. If its the 670 the 670 it is. I have a gigabyte 670oc and I love it couldn't be happier.
a c 82 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 10:29:43 PM

well the difference is not more than 10% from gtx 660ti to 670, but i find the 100$ difference isnt worth it tbh, but if u can get a gtx 670 on sale go for it than :p 

January 7, 2013 10:33:10 PM

660ti Power Edition is 250 with shipping
670 Power Eition is 319 so hmmmm
a c 134 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 10:37:15 PM

yea its worth it the memory bit is what pushes it further ahead then the 660Ti. See the 660Ti is a great card but because where the memory bit is it will hurt it in the future. Meaning its good now but as time goes by the 670 will hold better because of it. Also, everyone and there mom compares the 670, to the 7970 and that is a honor considering where the 7970 is.
a c 82 U Graphics card
January 7, 2013 10:43:29 PM

to be honest the performance difference u see now won change down the line, it is what it is, want a great cars buy it, want 10% more performance go ahead and pay 100$ more,

we both agree the 192 bus is a future limiting factor but what u see today will be the same down the line except the fact games will ask for a better card, the gtx 660ti and 670 will still remain the same.

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