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February 25, 2013 6:53:24 PM

Greetings Everyone,

I am looking to put together a nice PC build for this year. My current budget would be $1,200 Max (knock off -$200 for the monitor. It would be nice if the build would last around 4-5 years with minimal upgrades). Main usage would be light Office work (big excel spreadsheets), internet, storage of family pictures and videos and maybe a pc game here and there (mostly do my gaming on console, PS3)

I've done a little reading here and there on the website, and what has me be a bit confused is wether or not is worth it to shell out money on a high end processor (i7 vs i3, etc etc).

I often see in the forum, being mentioned buy a low end processor and up the video card ($400+), or O.C (i have a feeling that with the cooler, fans and stuff it ends up being the sames prices as buying the high end processor.[this doesn't include the extreme versions]. I am bit worried on the O.C for lack of knowledge and the fact i think my rig would sound like a Chinook once it's up and running.

Can anyone guide me on a build (or should I wait for the upcoming Haswell, being i read on here, that the chipset is not backwards compatible with the LGA-1155?)

Much appreciated, :na: 

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February 26, 2013 1:17:01 AM

For building a gaming system, the CPU and GPU should be the strongest parts in the tower. However, since your intended usage is not specifically gaming, you surely do not need a $400 graphics card and you'll waste money on a motherboard and CPU designed for overclocking.

For what I perceive to be minimal gaming usage and no intention of OC'ing, here's what I'd go with....

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G2dx
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G2dx/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G2dx/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($56.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 330 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z9 ATX Mid Tower Case ($40.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 430W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($65.17 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1083.05
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-25 22:13 EST-0500)

I did not include an aftermarket CPU cooler because this CPU is not designed for overclocking and since you'll have a separate graphics card you won't be using integrated GPU so the stock cooler will do just fine.

Any questions?
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February 26, 2013 1:39:36 AM

if it is only for light gaming and normal usage then there is no point spending so much on this system...

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G2xM
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G2xM/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G2xM/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: MSI B75MA-P45 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($61.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: GeIL EVO Veloce Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Plextor M5S Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill Line ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: FSP Group 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($55.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($18.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Dell S2240M 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $904.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-25 22:33 EST-0500)

This will be good enough if you don't plan on play graphics demanding games such as BF3 etc...

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G2AT
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G2AT/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G2AT/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i3-3225 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI B75MA-P45 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($61.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: GeIL EVO Veloce Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Plextor M5S Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Rosewill Line ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: FSP Group 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($55.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($18.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Dell S2240M 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $761.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-25 22:36 EST-0500)

or this

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G2D5
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G2D5/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G2D5/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD A8-5600K 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A75 Pro4-M Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO Veloce Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Plextor M5S Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Rosewill Line ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: FSP Group 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($55.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($18.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Dell S2240M 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $740.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-25 22:39 EST-0500)
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February 26, 2013 1:57:52 AM


No offense intended to TimeLass, but I find it interesting that someone with the tagline "you get what you pay for" is posting builds with such low-end parts that I'd never use for my system, like the Plextor SSD's and the power supply that NOBODY else would recommend ever and I've never seen anyone use that RAM in a build when OP clearly is not asking for "the cheapest build possible".
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February 26, 2013 2:24:39 AM

sharkbyte5150 said:
No offense intended to TimeLass, but I find it interesting that someone with the tagline "you get what you pay for" is posting builds with such low-end parts that I'd never use for my system, like the Plextor SSD's and the power supply that NOBODY else would recommend ever and I've never seen anyone use that RAM in a build when OP clearly is not asking for "the cheapest build possible".

haha yeah but i really don't like the idea of spending too much money if you're not going to play graphics demanding games on your system... and i am pretty sure that SSD/PSU and ram are very reliable... ;)  you only need to spend more on getting a more reliable products right...? don't worry i am not that stingy...^^

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-oem-ma...
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February 26, 2013 2:57:40 AM

I admit to having a personal preference against some brands and favor others, but from what I've seen in those categories I've never seen those brands or items recommended but you're right they could be very reliable.

Believe me, I've shed a ton of excess off a number of people's desired builds before, but usually things like wanting DDR3-2166 in a basic gamer, or 16GB of any RAM for a system that's not generating the next Pixar film (I've used that joke many times).

Ultimately, either of your i3 or i5 build would be sufficient depending on his future gaming needs. I was aiming more for the most powerful system within his budget that would handle even some of the more demanding games if he got into them in the next few years.
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February 26, 2013 2:59:49 AM

sharkbyte5150 said:
No offense intended to TimeLass, but I find it interesting that someone with the tagline "you get what you pay for" is posting builds with such low-end parts that I'd never use for my system, like the Plextor SSD's and the power supply that NOBODY else would recommend ever and I've never seen anyone use that RAM in a build when OP clearly is not asking for "the cheapest build possible".


You can't say something is terrible just because you've never seen others use it...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6374/geil-evo-veloce-revi...
Anandtech did a review on similar RAM, but at higher speed. I did not read through the whole review but the OP might want to if he is considering this RAM.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/FSP-Raider-650-W...
Hardware secrets wrote a pretty favorable review on these FSP power supplies, apparently they are a large OEM manufacturer. Most likely not on par with Seasonic, however.

I really don't know why he chose to include these parts in his build though, especially if he is not familiar with them and there are better options. :heink:  However, I definitely would not say these are parts that are exceptionally bad quality or cheap.
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February 26, 2013 3:42:04 AM

one of the review for that PSU is here...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6013/350450w-roundup-11-c...
it all depends on your luck... even a Seasonic Platinum series PSU may fail you sometimes...(that's really really bad luck)

For the SSD
http://www.amazon.com/Plextor-128GB-Series-Solid-PX-128...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/m5s-256gb-ssd-bench...

for the ram...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/geil-ev...
http://www.geil.com.tw/reviews/list/page/2

a product that is cheap does not mean that it is bad...

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February 26, 2013 5:28:23 AM

TemurAmir said:
You can't say something is terrible just because you've never seen others use it...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6374/geil-evo-veloce-revi...
Anandtech did a review on similar RAM, but at higher speed. I did not read through the whole review but the OP might want to if he is considering this RAM.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/FSP-Raider-650-W...
Hardware secrets wrote a pretty favorable review on these FSP power supplies, apparently they are a large OEM manufacturer. Most likely not on par with Seasonic, however.

I really don't know why he chose to include these parts in his build though, especially if he is not familiar with them and there are better options. :heink:  However, I definitely would not say these are parts that are exceptionally bad quality or cheap.



TemurAmir-
Where do you see the word "terrible" anywhere in my comments?
I don't, and in fact I did follow up and say that depending on the OP's needs either of TimeLass's i5 or i3 builds would be sufficient and clarified why I chose what I did and that I clearly have some personal preferences. This is a forum, meaning multiple OPINIONS are welcome, as opposed to inserting words in a post that weren't there to give your argument more value.

As I clearly stated when I responded to TimeLass (who seemed far less put off by my initial comments than after you showed up), I was going for the biggest bang for the buck for the budget information provided, using parts I've had the most personal success with.
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February 26, 2013 6:47:33 PM

sharkbyte5150 said:
For building a gaming system, the CPU and GPU should be the strongest parts in the tower. However, since your intended usage is not specifically gaming, you surely do not need a $400 graphics card and you'll waste money on a motherboard and CPU designed for overclocking.

For what I perceive to be minimal gaming usage and no intention of OC'ing, here's what I'd go with....

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G2dx
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G2dx/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G2dx/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($56.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 330 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z9 ATX Mid Tower Case ($40.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 430W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($65.17 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1083.05
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-25 22:13 EST-0500)

I did not include an aftermarket CPU cooler because this CPU is not designed for overclocking and since you'll have a separate graphics card you won't be using integrated GPU so the stock cooler will do just fine.

Any questions?


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Shark,

Prior to this post i was able to compile a quick build and i noticed, that I was able to generate almost the same specs (or extremely close).

See below. Now i wanted to create a M-ITX for space reasons. Are there any major drawbacks to this? Is the setup cool enough (as i mentioned wouldn't want the rig to sound like a Chinook once it up and running)

I would save 17% versus the components you have (if i with held the monitor and dvd/rw. Most notable are the following

SSD: you have the 330 Intel (@128GB) but i picked the 335 Intel (@240GB) (1.09 per GB vs .83¢ per GB)

MotherBoard: Micro ATX versus MITX (beside the ITX, not sure what the differences are but MITX ended up being $25 More)

PSU: Seasonic 430W vs CoolerMaster 500W (Modular) per Tom's it asked the GPU would need a minimum 500W PSU (tell me if they were wrong)

HDD: Barracuda vs Caviar Green (picked the later because of low power usage, or this just a gimmick?)

O/S: Win 7 versus Win 8 (i think i'll go with Win 8)

Memory: 8GB per your suggetion is IDEAL. Should the Latency be 8 or less? for example saw a module 8-8-8-27 (is this okay?)

Also, with the Haswell being released in June, whats the likely hood that these prices on the MOBOS or components drop much more?

Again gentlemen, much appreciate the time spent in getting these specs for me. Do share your thought on my notes here.



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February 26, 2013 6:48:01 PM

sharkbyte5150 said:
For building a gaming system, the CPU and GPU should be the strongest parts in the tower. However, since your intended usage is not specifically gaming, you surely do not need a $400 graphics card and you'll waste money on a motherboard and CPU designed for overclocking.

For what I perceive to be minimal gaming usage and no intention of OC'ing, here's what I'd go with....

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G2dx
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G2dx/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G2dx/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($56.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 330 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z9 ATX Mid Tower Case ($40.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 430W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($65.17 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1083.05
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-25 22:13 EST-0500)

I did not include an aftermarket CPU cooler because this CPU is not designed for overclocking and since you'll have a separate graphics card you won't be using integrated GPU so the stock cooler will do just fine.

Any questions?



Shark,

Prior to this post i was able to compile a quick build and i noticed, that I was able to generate almost the same specs (or extremely close).

See below. Now i wanted to create a M-ITX for space reasons. Are there any major drawbacks to this? Is the setup cool enough (as i mentioned wouldn't want the rig to sound like a Chinook once it up and running)

I would save 17% versus the components you have (if i with held the monitor and dvd/rw. Most notable are the following

SSD: you have the 330 Intel (@128GB) but i picked the 335 Intel (@240GB) (1.09 per GB vs .83¢ per GB)

MotherBoard: Micro ATX versus MITX (beside the ITX, not sure what the differences are but MITX ended up being $25 More)

PSU: Seasonic 430W vs CoolerMaster 500W (Modular) per Tom's it asked the GPU would need a minimum 500W PSU (tell me if they were wrong)

HDD: Barracuda vs Caviar Green (picked the later because of low power usage, or this just a gimmick?)

O/S: Win 7 versus Win 8 (i think i'll go with Win 8)

Memory: 8GB per your suggetion is IDEAL. Should the Latency be 8 or less? for example saw a module 8-8-8-27 (is this okay?)

Also, with the Haswell being released in June, whats the likely hood that these prices on the MOBOS or components drop much more?

Again gentlemen, much appreciate the time spent in getting these specs for me. Do share your thought on my notes here.
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February 26, 2013 9:58:40 PM

Stay away from Caviar Green......I've seen MANY posts from people having issues with them. Low power consumption is great, but low performance to match is not.
Go with Caviar Blue or Barracuda.

ITX vs. Micro-ATX is all about space, so an ITX will simply have less expandability options due to space constraints on the board but overall can build just as decent a system, just make sure that you have enough features and options to start with and don't plan on doing much upgrading.

Here's an article about SSD's that may help you decide.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/storage/display/intel-...
Seems like there are better options for the more budget-friendly SSD's like the Samsung 830.

I would definitely get RAM with latency you mention above, but 9 is ok too, just make sure 1.5V!

Haswell prices will be similar to IVB and don't expect the release of Haswell to create a sudden drop in IVB prices.

I don't see a video card in your list??
According to PCPartsPicker, 430W is all you'd need for that system running with the 7770
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February 27, 2013 12:59:41 AM

tachybana said:
Shark,

Prior to this post i was able to compile a quick build and i noticed, that I was able to generate almost the same specs (or extremely close).

See below. Now i wanted to create a M-ITX for space reasons. Are there any major drawbacks to this? Is the setup cool enough (as i mentioned wouldn't want the rig to sound like a Chinook once it up and running)

I would save 17% versus the components you have (if i with held the monitor and dvd/rw. Most notable are the following

SSD: you have the 330 Intel (@128GB) but i picked the 335 Intel (@240GB) (1.09 per GB vs .83¢ per GB)

MotherBoard: Micro ATX versus MITX (beside the ITX, not sure what the differences are but MITX ended up being $25 More)

PSU: Seasonic 430W vs CoolerMaster 500W (Modular) per Tom's it asked the GPU would need a minimum 500W PSU (tell me if they were wrong)

HDD: Barracuda vs Caviar Green (picked the later because of low power usage, or this just a gimmick?)

O/S: Win 7 versus Win 8 (i think i'll go with Win 8)

Memory: 8GB per your suggetion is IDEAL. Should the Latency be 8 or less? for example saw a module 8-8-8-27 (is this okay?)

Also, with the Haswell being released in June, whats the likely hood that these prices on the MOBOS or components drop much more?

Again gentlemen, much appreciate the time spent in getting these specs for me. Do share your thought on my notes here.


try not to go for CM's PSU... get Seasonic/Corsair/XFX/Enermax/Antec/FSP/Silverstone...
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