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January 8, 2013 12:40:42 PM

Hello.

While, I'm not new to the PC game, I am new to the tech that's come out recently.

Financial restriction has kept me from owning a new PC for some time, and I've finally gotten around to getting a new one.

I found an HP xw4400 Workstation on Ebay for 75 bucks. It didn't come with a hard drive, but everything else was in tact.

Here are it's specs.

Intel Core 2 Duo E6420 - 2.13 GHz
2 GB PC2-5300 DDR RAM (Upgrading to 4GB)
Not sure what the mobo is, but it has a 460 wat power supply.
And I bought a 160 GB SATA WD blue caviar drive. (And I plan on getting a larger 500 GB or even 1TB drive for storage later.)

I was thinking of getting a "budget" graphics card to play some casual games. Nothing extremely demanding, and on a small monitor with less than 1080p resolution.

I'm stuck between the GeForce GT 440, and the GT 640. I understand that the GT 640 would greatly outperform the 440, but my quarrel is would it be a good paring for this desktop? I already know it wouldn't support a GTX series graphics card. And not only can I not afford one, I think putting one in this humble rig would be a waste of it's power.

I don't know enough about Radeon to make an informed decision. But I did check out some cards ranging from the 48xx series to the 67xx series. If anyone could make a comparison for them by price and performance that would be spectacular. I'm referencing the performance charts from videocardbenchmark.net.

My last PC was a 478 Pentium 4 (1.7 Ghz) with a GeForce FX 5200. So this is a HUGE leap forward for me. And I'm very excited. I want to get the best value for my dollar.

Thank you for your time, and your help.

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January 8, 2013 12:49:56 PM

Thank you for your suggestion, Scotty. This is a bit more than I was expecting to pay. But I'll give it a look.


EDIT: My power supply doesn't support this card, unfortunately.
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a c 180 U Graphics card
January 8, 2013 12:53:23 PM

^hd 6770 will be big bottleneck to his pc.i would reccomend get hd 6570 or gt 630.i would reccomend to go for nvidia as they have pci 2.0 card wheareas pci 2.1 for amd but 2.1 have problem to work with some old mobo.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
January 8, 2013 1:00:02 PM

GT 640 would work well. Very well.
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January 8, 2013 1:00:18 PM

Your power supply is more than enough for a 6770, but i get you got a slightly tighter budget.

I cannot suggest a 6670 either because the DDR5 models are the only ones worth buying but they are out of your price range.

I suggest trying to find a used 6670 GDDR5 on craigslist or something, even a nvidia gt 240. You should be able to find these for 30 bucks.
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January 8, 2013 1:03:24 PM

Honestly man, 77.00 after rebate and shipping for that 6770 is the best you are going to find anywhere, hell even the cheapest gt 630 is 60+ after shipping, and is about 5x slower than a 6770.

Save up for a couple weeks, hopefully the rebate on the 6770 is still valid.
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January 8, 2013 1:05:13 PM

I think you are a bit confused on the power supply thing. A 6770 is a very efficient card, and draws no more than 150w at load. It comes with adapters that hook into molex connectors (which every power supply has) then it plugs into the video card.
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a b U Graphics card
January 8, 2013 1:05:30 PM

Your PSU won't do too well with the 4800 cards :-) I have a 4870 and it's hot and noisy. And as powerful at the 6770 suggested, so maybe a slight bottleneck. CPU isn't as bad as people are making out though. It's not miles worse than a Phenom II for gaming, and plenty of people are still using those.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
January 8, 2013 1:11:39 PM

Scotty99 said:
hell even the cheapest gt 630 is 60+ after shipping, and is about 5x slower than a 6770.


That part is totally false. HD 6770 is around 50% faster than GT 630, therefore GT 630 is 1.5 times slower than HD 6770.

And he'd need a new power supply unit :) .

Anyway, I stick to my recommendation of GT 640.
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January 8, 2013 1:17:40 PM

1. 6770 is definitely more than 1.5 times faster than a gt 630, but thats kind of irrelevant really considering how close they are in price.

2. No, he does not need a new PSU.

3. GT 640 is not a good recommendation considering that he said the 6770 was out of his budget.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
January 8, 2013 1:23:22 PM

1. False.
2. Yes, he would. He said his power supply unit doesn't have a 6-pin power connector.
3. GT 640 is $20 cheaper than HD 6770.
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a b U Graphics card
January 8, 2013 1:37:15 PM

+1 to the GT640.
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January 8, 2013 1:39:25 PM

My god man...

Since no benchmarks exist for gt 630 vs radeon 6770 (because they are so far apart in performance) this is the best i could do to prove you wrong:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gt-640-revi...

GT 630 is a rebranded gt 440 (exact same card). As you can see in this review the 7750 is more than twice as fast as the gt 440. 7750 and 6770 are about as identical in performance as you will find.

Just because he does not have a PCI-E cable on his PSU does not mean he has to upgrade, there is nothing wrong with using adapters whatsoever, its a very common thing to do for people on low budgets.
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January 8, 2013 1:43:46 PM

Firstly, I would like to thank everyone for their support and their information on what card I should get. I really wasn't expecting this kind of a turn out so quickly. Lol

As for budget, I'm currently not gainfully employed. What little money I make comes from selling art commissions over the Internet.

Here are some pics of my tech. Including a close up of my power supply specs. I think it has a PCIe six pin molex, but I'm not certain. I've never used one before, so I don't know what they look like.

http://imgur.com/a/n8dZb#0

EDIT: I found a GeForce GT 545 on eBay. I don't know why they're so incredibly rare. Passmark scores them over 1300 points. Far better than the 440, and nearly as well as the 640. There are so many different cards. And they're all so competitively priced. It's hard to make a decision.
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January 8, 2013 1:53:34 PM

Hey man, doesent matter what PSU you have using adapters that come with the video card is 100% acceptable, just make sure your PSU has at least 20 amp on the 12v rail (you can see this on the sticker)

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a b U Graphics card
January 8, 2013 1:56:59 PM

Sunius, that is an indisputable 100% gain on the 7750 over GT440. So not quite 5x, but more than 50% :-) Scotty, Sunius wasn't recommending GT630 anyway so it doesn't really matter. Mako, good find! Very similar to a GT640. Is it DDR3 or GDDR5?
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January 8, 2013 1:57:21 PM

Scotty99 said:
Hey man, doesent matter what PSU you have using adapters that come with the video card is 100% acceptable, just make sure your PSU has at least 20 amp on the 12v rail (you can see this on the sticker)



I don't really know how to read all that stuff. It's all Greek to me. There's a picture in the link I provided with a close up of the sticker on my PSU. Would you mind having a look?
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January 8, 2013 1:59:08 PM

sam_p_lay said:
Sunius, that is an indisputable 100% gain on the 7750 over GT440. So not quite 5x, but more than 50% :-) Scotty, Sunius wasn't recommending GT630 anyway so it doesn't really matter. Mako, good find! Very similar to a GT640. Is it DDR3 or GDDR5?



http://www.ebay.com/itm/ZOTAC-P-N-ZT-50801-10P-GEFORCE-...

192 bit DDR3.

If I had the money, I'd buy it right now. But I'm waiting on some commissions to come through.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
January 8, 2013 2:06:03 PM

Take a photo of the label if you don't know how to read it.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
January 8, 2013 2:13:04 PM

I don't know whether you have super eyes, but in that picture I cannot see the power supply label.
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a b U Graphics card
January 8, 2013 2:16:15 PM

There are five photos there. One is the label.
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January 8, 2013 2:18:23 PM

Sunius said:
I don't know whether you have super eyes, but in that picture I cannot the power supply label.



I could be in the airforce. Lol

http://i.imgur.com/KkUsn.jpg

There were other pictures in the album along the side.


It's a Delta Electronics Incorporated

Model DPS - 460 CB C
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January 8, 2013 2:24:36 PM

Wow that is an odd power supply haha.

But ya like i said its fine, looks like it has 31.5 amps total on all 12v rails.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
January 8, 2013 2:25:27 PM

Whoops :D . Somehow I manage to miss the other pictures.

Looks like HD 6770 will work without any problems or even any adapters!
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January 8, 2013 2:28:02 PM

Nono he will still need to use the adapter, that is a P4 CPU power connector not a PCI-E cable.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
January 8, 2013 2:29:51 PM

CPU power connector with 6 pins? ..
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January 8, 2013 2:30:11 PM

Scotty - What makes it odd? Good Odd or bad odd? Lol

Sunius - Thank you. I will definitely add this card to my list. I just don't want to put a card in that's not going to pair well with the CPU and RAM. Just something for moderate gaming.
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January 8, 2013 2:33:21 PM

Ya its odd but it says P4 right on it, definitely not a PCI-E cable even tho it looks like one.
http://www.cwc-group.com/hp3846posu.html Look at specs, it says 6 pin motherboard connector lol.

@ Mako, just means that you dont see those very much lol. Im surprised how powerful it is honestly, 31amps is more than some current 450w units from corsair/antec etc.
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a b U Graphics card
January 8, 2013 2:37:04 PM

I had heard Delta are a top-quality OEM, up there with Seasonic. I'd probably still stick to Seasonic-built units to be on the safe side, but these look good too.
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January 8, 2013 2:38:34 PM

I think i have heard that along the lines as well somewhere, and the 31 amps back that statement up (if you look at the crap made 450w PSU's for 20 bucks on newegg they are all like 12 amps lol).

Trust me mako, your power supply is more than enough for a 6770.
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January 8, 2013 2:41:31 PM

Scotty99 said:
Ya its odd but it says P4 right on it, definitely not a PCI-E cable even tho it looks like one.
http://www.cwc-group.com/hp3846posu.html Look at specs, it says 6 pin motherboard connector lol.

@ Mako, just means that you dont see those very much lol. Im surprised how powerful it is honestly, 31amps is more than some current 450w units from corsair/antec etc.




Well, it's like a five hundred dollar hp workstation. It has an Nivida Quadro FX 560 in it right now.

That's why I want to replace it with something I can use for moderate gaming. I know this PC will perform well, I have faith in it. Lol

Thank you for all of your help, by the way. I'm very appreciative.
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a b U Graphics card
January 8, 2013 2:45:07 PM

Pleasure :-)
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February 13, 2013 7:30:07 PM

Hi

I have same machine xw4400. What card did you decide to go for? And is it working ok?
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