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Here is a question for you techie's:


I recorded a friend of mine giving a speech. It is in a large
building made of cement, brick (this is a very old bldg in
China) and the reverb/echo of his voice is really bad.

I took the audio and was able to run it thru a DX plugin to
remove hiss and the result sounds pretty good as far as hiss
goes. Now I would like to minimize the echo/reverb.

A friend of mine suggested I take a vocal remover, remove
the vocals, and then invert the signal. Take the inverted
signal and merge it (or mix down) with the original.

Any suggestions? If the vocal remover is the right way to
go, any suggestions on which one to use?

BTW, I'm using Cool Edit Pro 2.0.

Thanks,

--
Tim.

"Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve
neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

vanNnaOmaSnP@swAbell.Mnet (remove the caps)

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Tim V. <eye@chewawa.com> wrote:
>
>I recorded a friend of mine giving a speech. It is in a large
>building made of cement, brick (this is a very old bldg in
>China) and the reverb/echo of his voice is really bad.

This is bad. Next time get the mike up closer.

>I took the audio and was able to run it thru a DX plugin to
>remove hiss and the result sounds pretty good as far as hiss
>goes. Now I would like to minimize the echo/reverb.

You can try a little expansion.

>A friend of mine suggested I take a vocal remover, remove
>the vocals, and then invert the signal. Take the inverted
>signal and merge it (or mix down) with the original.

This basically gives you more L+R signal and less L-R signal. You can
do the same thing with a "stereo enhancer" matrix. It won't make much
of a difference, really.

>Any suggestions? If the vocal remover is the right way to
>go, any suggestions on which one to use?

What you want to do is basically impossible. You can play a little bit
with expansion and get better intelligibility, and you can chop off the
low frequencies, but you'll never get it to sound good although you might
get it much more understandable.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in news:c6tsmp$eel$1
@panix2.panix.com:

> Tim V. <eye@chewawa.com> wrote:
>>
>>I recorded a friend of mine giving a speech. It is in a large
>>building made of cement, brick (this is a very old bldg in
>>China) and the reverb/echo of his voice is really bad.
>
> This is bad. Next time get the mike up closer.

In this case, I couldn't. It is the audio part of a video and
it was in the best place for video (no mic cable for the camcorder).
The building, being made of 90% concrete really bounces the sound.


>
>>I took the audio and was able to run it thru a DX plugin to
>>remove hiss and the result sounds pretty good as far as hiss
>>goes. Now I would like to minimize the echo/reverb.
>
> You can try a little expansion.

I'll give it a shot.


> What you want to do is basically impossible. You can play a little bit
> with expansion and get better intelligibility, and you can chop off the
> low frequencies, but you'll never get it to sound good although you
might
> get it much more understandable.
> --scott


I figured as much. I've run it thru noise reducers and manually
removed some frequencies and it is much better.

Thanks for your ideas.

--
Tim.

"Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve
neither
liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

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Tim V. <eye@chewawa.com> wrote:
>kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in news:c6tsmp$eel$1
>@panix2.panix.com:
>
>> Tim V. <eye@chewawa.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I recorded a friend of mine giving a speech. It is in a large
>>>building made of cement, brick (this is a very old bldg in
>>>China) and the reverb/echo of his voice is really bad.
>>
>> This is bad. Next time get the mike up closer.
>
>In this case, I couldn't. It is the audio part of a video and
>it was in the best place for video (no mic cable for the camcorder).
> The building, being made of 90% concrete really bounces the sound.

Oh man. You didn't say it was an on-camera mike. Those things are
totally worthless because you have all the camera noise to contend
with. Nearly anything you can do to deal with the reverb problems
are going to make the camera noise problems worse.

Better luck next time. Don't ever use the on-camera mike. Get the
mike on the podium. In the meantime cut the low end out and hope for
the best.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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Pardon my ignorance, but if it's your friend, perhaps he could lipsync the speech
again in front of a real mic?


"Tim V." <eye@chewawa.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94DB664EEAFF9vannamanNOSPAMswbell@151.164.30.92...
>
> Here is a question for you techie's:
>
>
> I recorded a friend of mine giving a speech. It is in a large
> building made of cement, brick (this is a very old bldg in
> China) and the reverb/echo of his voice is really bad.
>
> I took the audio and was able to run it thru a DX plugin to
> remove hiss and the result sounds pretty good as far as hiss
> goes. Now I would like to minimize the echo/reverb.
>
> A friend of mine suggested I take a vocal remover, remove
> the vocals, and then invert the signal. Take the inverted
> signal and merge it (or mix down) with the original.
>
> Any suggestions? If the vocal remover is the right way to
> go, any suggestions on which one to use?
>
> BTW, I'm using Cool Edit Pro 2.0.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Tim.
>
> "Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve
> neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
>
> vanNnaOmaSnP@swAbell.Mnet (remove the caps)

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