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February 27, 2013 7:59:51 PM

Hello all,
Need a replacement, have been having trouble with my laptop since the first year of purchase. Terrible RMS & support (yet agn) apart from the issues w/ actual product have convinced me to go for a custom-built desktop.

I currently live in Spain, where i asked a number of businesses doing that job, for a quotation.
Problem is that there is a ~1500 Euro difference between them. I'm way over my head in now! Choosing single parts is ok, but i have no idea about how different combinations work.

Shop A:
Motherboard: ASUS GA-Z77-UP5 TH Intel Z77 ATX
Processor: Intel i7 3770K Box QuadCore/8T Ivy-Bridge 22nM
Memory: G.Skill F3-1866C10Q-32GAB DDR3 Performance Series Ares Blue
CPU cooling: Corsair Hydro Series H80 high Performance
Box:NZXT White-blue LED-Blue Crafted Series
PSU: Seasonic Platinum-760 SS 760XP2Active PFC
HD1:Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB MZ-7PD128BW
HD2: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200
GPU: Gigabyte GV-N680OC-2GD 2GB GDDR5 PCIe 3.0
Sound Card: Asus Xonar D2/PM
DVD reader/writer: Pioneer BDR-207EBK Retail
Display: ASUS VGA23AH LED IPS 3D

Total: 2285 Euro

Shop B:
Box: Thermaltake Chaser Mk-1 black
PSU: FSP Raider-650 80
CPU: i7 3770K 3.5GHZ 22nM
Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme3
RAM: Geil GEV3 16GB 2133C11DC Evo veloce
HD1: Crucial M4 256 GB
HD2: 2TB Barracuda 7200Rpm Sata3
DVD: LiteOn iHBS 112
WIFI: ?
GPU: Gainward GTX 680 Phantom 4GB
Display: ?
Cooler: Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H80i
Assembly & shipping: 42E ~20E
OS: Windows Home Ed. Premium 64Bits OEM

TOTAL: 1759E w/TAX & free shipping (add about 250E for display, etc, so about 2100E).

Shop C:
PROPOSAL 1:
Box: NZXT PHANTOM BLACK USB 3.0
PSU: 1050W 80 GOLD THERMALTAKE
Motherboard: ASUS P9X79 ATX
CPU: INTEL I7-3930K
RAM:4 X DDR3-1866 MHZ 4 GB (TOTAL 16 GB)
HD1: SSD 256 GB VERTEX 4 OCZ
HD2: DISCO SEAGATE 3 TB SERIAL ATA 3 64 MB 7200 RPM
DVD: BLACK SERIAL ATA
WIFI: 802.11 N 300 MBPS
GPU: VGA GTX670 2 GB DDR5
Display: ASUS 24" 2 MS WEBCAM
Cooler: CPU NOCTUA LGA2011

TOTAL: 2570 € w/TAX & assembly, free shipping.

PROPOSAL 2: SUGGESTION 1
Box: NZXT PHANTOM BLACK USB 3.0
PSU: 1050W 80 GOLD THERMALTAKE
Motherboard: ASUS P9X79 ATX
CPU: INTEL I7-3820 (5% Performance loss compared to 3930K but price difference is 50% less)
RAM: DDR3-2133 MHZ 8 GB (TOTAL 32 GB)
HD1: SSD 256 GB VERTEX 4 OCZ
HD2: DISCO SEAGATE 3 TB SERIAL ATA 3 64 MB 7200 RPM
DVD: Writer BLACK SERIAL ATA
WIFI 802.11 N 300 MBPS
GPU: VGA GTX670 2 GB DDR5
Display: ASUS 24" 2 MS WEBCAM
CPU Cooler: NOCTUA LGA2011

TOTAL: 2760 € w/TAX & assembly, free shipping.

PROPOSAL 3: SUGGESTION 2
Box: THERMALTAKE ARMOR REVO ATX USB 3.0
PSU: 1050W 80 GOLD THERMALTAKE
Motherboard: ASUS P9X79 ATX
CPU: INTEL I7-3820 (-5% Performance compared to 3930K BUT -50% difference in price)
RAM: 8 X DDR3-2133 MHZ 8 GB (TOTAL 64 GB)
HD1: SSD 256 GB VERTEX 4 OCZ
HD2: DISCO SEAGATE 2 TB SERIAL ATA 3 64 MB 7200 RPM
DVD: Writer DVD Black SERIAL ATA
WIFI: WIFI 802.11 N 300 MBPS
GPU: VGA GTX670 2 GB DDR5
Display: ASUS 24" 2 MS WEBCAM
CPU Cooler: NOCTUA LGA2011
Card Reader

TOTAL: 2970 € w/ TAX & assembly, free shipping.

Shop D:
Box: Corsair Obsidian Series® 650D - Black Rev.1
PSU: Enermax Revolution 80 Silver 1250W
Motherboard: Gigabyte X79-UD7 LGA 2011 - DDR3/Sata 3/USB 3.0
CPU: CPU Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2 Ghz - LGA 2011
RAM: Kingston HyperX Beast DDR3 2400 PC3-19200 8GB 2X4G
HD1: SSD Crucial M4 256Gb - Sata 3 - 500Mb/s
HD2: Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 2TB SATA3 64MB
DVD: Lite-On IHAS120-04 - Sata
Writer
DVD
WIFI: ?
GPU: Gigabyte NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN
Display: ?
CPU Cooler: Enermax ELC120-TA

TOTAL: 3072E w/TAX ~20E shipping= 3092E

All are 24h stress-tested & shipped in sturdy packaging.


Computer will be used for heavy office type work, use of online databases, etc. (I study at university). Gaming (pls. read further for specifics).

I was thinking of going for an upgreadable PC that i could resell after 3-4 years for a good value & keep riding the techno. curve comfortably.

-Approximate Purchase Date: ASAP
-Budget Range: 2000-3500E
-System Usage from Most to Least Important: Computer will be used for heavy office type work, use of online databases, etc. (I study at university). Gaming (Strategy: TW series, Wargame: EE, some shooters occasionally, RPG) audio editing/listening, streaming, watching movies.
-Are you buying a monitor: Yes
-Do you need to buy OS: Yes
-Location: EU, Spain
Incopia2: Villarejo de Salvanés, Madrid. Coolmod: Almazora, Castellón, Valencia. Aussar: Armintza,Vizcaya, País Vasco. Izar Micro: Leioa, Vizcaya, Pais Vasco.
-Parts Preferences: Intel CPU, any reputable Nvidia GPU brand. Best preformance/price ratio, with room for future upgrades.
-Overclocking: A little.
-SLI or Crossfire: Maybe.
-Your Monitor Resolution: 23''-24'', considering 3D though some sellers didn't recommend.
-Additional Comments: I would like a quiet PC, with no bling, that i can sell in about 3-4 years with no shame.
-list of specific software or games used: Steam, Skyrim, Total War series, Fallout, Winamp, Audacity, Office tools, uTorrent.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: I'm afraid my laptop doesnt cut it for gaming & processing large amounts of audio data fast, for ex. Lots of trouble, freezing, blamed on the wrong componenents by RMS & bad repairs w/ loss of progs/data.


Sorry for the mega-long post... i wanted to include FinneousPJ's list on 'how to ask for adv' just in case..

Thx a million!
February 27, 2013 9:28:13 PM

I'm not sure if the places you got those builds from can only get certain parts or not.....but I'd go back to Shop B and use their build but with the following....

CPU i5-3570K
MOBO ASRock Z77 Extreme4
RAM 8GB DDR3-1600 GSkill Ripjaws
GPU EVGA GTX 680
PSU Corsair or Seasonic 700W power supply (or 850W for future Crossfire)
March 22, 2013 4:36:14 PM

Thanks for your reply! Much appreciated :) 

After MUCH (too much perhaps) thought & review/comparisons/you-name-it reading i went for shop B, as you adviced (they simply have an amazing customer service, & unbeatable prices) but with the following components due to availability/compatibility issues:

FSP: AURUM 750 80+ Au
-CPU: Core i7 3770.
-Mobo: ASUS P8Z77-V
-Cooler: HIDRO CORSAIR H80I
-Memory: GSKILL F3-2133C9D-16GXH
-SSD: SSD Samsung 840 Pro series 256 GB
-HD: Barracuda HDD 2 TB SATA III A 7200RPM
-GPU: GTX680 GAINWARD PHANTOM DE 4GB.
-Sound Card: ASUS XONAR Essence STX
-Monitor: ASUS VG278H + 3D Glasses
-DVD recorder: Asus
-TV Tuner: Hauppage WinTV HVR-5500
-Case: Cosmos II
-built & tested.

Upgraded a few things (SSD, etc) since there was little price difference.
-I finally went for the Corsair HX750W but they were out of stock. Was recommended the FSP by the guys at the shop; apparently they havent had an RMA of that brand yet.
-If i'm not terribly mistaken, Asrock's supported sound effects (THX, etc) aren't fully compatible with DTS/DTS 2 on the Xonar? I was looking for an 'audiophile' kind of sound card, since i'd like to do a bit of sound editing, .FLAC files playback, etc.
Also i got rid of the wireless adapter, since mobo has an in-built one with an antenna, apparently.
The GPU was tricky, i chose the Gainward since its a nice build & has good reviews, price tag was about 90 euros cheaper than the EVGA as well.

Might just upgrade it in a few years' time instead of selling it whole...

What do you think, is it a nice balanced pc?

Cheers!
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March 24, 2013 5:35:24 PM

Great build, but 2133 RAM is overkill, as the amount of performance you get past 1866 isn't really noticeable especially considering you have an SSD you're going with 16GB of RAM. Other than that, looks good. FSP power supplies are OK, but I usually stick with Seasonic or Corsair or XFX which I've learned is Seasonic OEM. Yes, the P8Z77-V does have built in WiFi, comes with a small module that needs to be connected to motherboard (before installing in case) and it works very well.
April 10, 2013 11:52:40 AM

check out Gaming Guru PC... www.gaminggurupc.com

I had a friend buy a gaming computer from them and it was awesome. It was a custom build. Check them out.
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