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January 11, 2013 2:38:05 AM

Hey guys. Im looking at whether I should get the GTX 660 or Radeon 7850. I can get the 7850 for about 20$ cheaper than the 660. So my question is which one should I get? Is the 20$ increase worth it?

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January 11, 2013 2:42:29 AM

Nope... 7850 should perform basically the same as the GTX 660 if not a little better...
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January 11, 2013 2:54:21 AM

660 is a little better than a 7850. I personally would get the 660 because of adaptive v-sync and Nvidia cards perform better in most of the games I play. However, I don't think the 660 is worth it over the 7850 generally.
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January 11, 2013 3:41:11 AM

EzioAs said:
660 is a little better than a 7850. I personally would get the 660 because of adaptive v-sync and Nvidia cards perform better in most of the games I play. However, I don't think the 660 is worth it over the 7850 generally.


but with a gtx 660... would you really be pushing 30+ fps on the games at a decent resolution at good settings???
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January 11, 2013 3:49:42 AM

660.
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January 11, 2013 3:55:55 AM

660 is a bit better than a STOCK 7850 but a OCed 7850 will destroy a 660.
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January 11, 2013 4:01:20 AM

ndslite said:
Hey guys. Im looking at whether I should get the GTX 660 or Radeon 7850. I can get the 7850 for about 20$ cheaper than the 660. So my question is which one should I get? Is the 20$ increase worth it?


The non-fanboy truth:

-If they are the same price (And they sometimes are), get the 660.
- If the 7850 is 10%+ cheaper (In your case it is), get the 7850.


Here is the midrange strength breakdown:

7850 < (+8%) 660 < (+8%) 7870 =?= 660 Ti (Sometimes 10% weaker, sometimes 10% stronger)


The 7850 is slightly weaker than the 660 but when they are both overclocked they tend to trade blows. Thus the 7850 is the better buy usually. Then the 7870 is usually 8-16% stronger, and the 660 Ti is unpredictable but basically equal to the 7870 overall (Though if a 660Ti was the same price as the 7870, I would say get the 660Ti).
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January 11, 2013 4:12:51 AM

The 7850 is actually almost always far superior to the 660 when overclocked. At stock, the 660 usually has a slight advantage. However, it simply can't match the incredible overclocking headroom of the Radeon 7850 which can easily get 40-60% overclocks.
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January 11, 2013 4:25:15 AM

killerhurtalot said:
but with a gtx 660... would you really be pushing 30+ fps on the games at a decent resolution at good settings???


A 660 or 7850 can get 50+ fps on most games at max settings 1080p. It's only some of the very demanding games that a little (or not so little) image quality have to be sacrificed to get playable (or enjoyable) frame rates.
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January 11, 2013 4:28:40 AM

660, slightly more balanced card. i would like to see a 30$ gap minimum before the 7850 is usuably(coming from a guy who uses a 7850). regardless, both are pretty solid cards and can run ultra in general(well not at 60 fps constantly of course)
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January 11, 2013 4:31:48 AM

dudewitbow said:
660, slightly more balanced card. i would like to see a 30$ gap minimum before the 7850 is usuably(coming from a guy who uses a 7850). regardless, both are pretty solid cards and can run ultra in general(well not at 60 fps constantly of course)


How is the 660 a more balanced card? It has inferior memory bandwidth with a more powerful GPU while also having inferior performance in many other aspects such as compute workloads that are getting more and more used in games.
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January 11, 2013 4:42:28 AM

blazorthon said:
How is the 660 a more balanced card? It has inferior memory bandwidth with a more powerful GPU while also having inferior performance in many other aspects such as compute workloads that are getting more and more used in games.


im just speaking in sense of performance to price/size. being to push the graphics clock for its set specifications is pretty good being generally less when it comes to the actual limitations of the card. its a card that pushes the limitation well alone, compared to the 7850 which has a lot of room that can be improved on still.
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January 11, 2013 4:50:57 AM

dudewitbow said:
im just speaking in sense of performance to price/size. being to push the graphics clock for its set specifications is pretty good being generally less when it comes to the actual limitations of the card. its a card that pushes the limitation well alone, compared to the 7850 which has a lot of room that can be improved on still.


The GTX 660 does not have the Turbo feature of its bigger brothers and that it is unable to overclock as well as the Radeon 7850 is mostly because of its voltage being locked, not because of it not physically being capable of going further. The Radeon 7850 is also generally cheaper by more than it is slower and many 7850 models have very large factory overclocks (more than enough on some models to best the reference and the most factory overclocked 660s). Sorry, but I just don't see your point. The GTX 660 and 660 Ti were specifically made to be imbalanced compared to their Radeon competition and their GTX 670/680 brothers because that is how Nvidia separated them from the GTX 670 and 680.
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January 11, 2013 11:18:47 AM

so I should get the 7850 and OC it? I might not be comfortable with that because I might destroy the chip or something
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January 11, 2013 11:24:40 AM

ndslite said:
so I should get the 7850 and OC it? I might not be comfortable with that because I might destroy the chip or something


Aslong as you follow guides carefully and DO NOT touch the voltage you will be fine.
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January 11, 2013 3:52:37 PM

Even touching the voltage within safe limits is fine on the Radeon 7850 cards, except for a few models that aren't worth buying for overclocking. Keeping it around 1.2V is almost always safe (sure, there are failures, but there aren't any more really than at stock, so it's not a good tool in an argument against overvolting). It's not until you do something more extreme where your card is in serious danger unless there are other problems such as a PSU with bad load handling and such.

Still to stay on the safe side, I wouldn't advertise overvolting to someone who has little to no experience with overclocking unless they are helped directly by someone who knows how its done safely.
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January 11, 2013 6:26:20 PM

blazorthon said:
Even touching the voltage within safe limits is fine on the Radeon 7850 cards, except for a few models that aren't worth buying for overclocking. Keeping it around 1.2V is almost always safe (sure, there are failures, but there aren't any more really than at stock, so it's not a good tool in an argument against overvolting). It's not until you do something more extreme where your card is in serious danger unless there are other problems such as a PSU with bad load handling and such.

Still to stay on the safe side, I wouldn't advertise overvolting to someone who has little to no experience with overclocking unless they are helped directly by someone who knows how its done safely.


My previous post was just trying to be as fair as possible but I am aware the 7850 can beat the 660 pretty easily when OC's to its max. As for overclocking: it is completely safe. The card throttles and shuts down if there is too much heat so no worries. I have only seen EVGA NVidia cards get damaged from overclocking.
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January 11, 2013 7:41:06 PM

the gtx660 trades blows with the 7870, depending on game title/game settings, this is the truth, not fanboyism, all you need to do is read the reviews to confirm this:

here - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-gef...

and here -http://techreport.com/review/23527/review-nvidia-geforc...

and here - http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GTX_660_OC/...

the 7850 might win if overclocked, but dont forget the 660 can be overclocked also.
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January 11, 2013 7:49:36 PM

iam2thecrowe said:
the gtx660 trades blows with the 7870, depending on game title/game settings, this is the truth, not fanboyism, all you need to do is read the reviews to confirm this:

here - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-gef...

and here -http://techreport.com/review/23527/review-nvidia-geforc...

and here - http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GTX_660_OC/...

the 7850 might win if overclocked, but dont forget the 660 can be overclocked also.


The 7850 fully overclocked beats a fully overclocked 660 most of the time.
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January 11, 2013 9:17:57 PM

I am thinking about getting the MSI 7850 Twin Frozr card for 179.99 or the ZOTAC GTX 660 for 194.99. I understand the 7850 can be OCed. So is the 15$ extra worth it? I have overclocked before, but if i screw up my new card then I wont be able to get another card for quite awhile. So which one should I get?
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January 11, 2013 9:32:50 PM

If you get a 7850, make sure that you get a 2GB model. Some games run into memory capacity bottlenecks with the 1GB model in proper settings for the 7850's performance.

I would go for the 7850, but that is because I like a lot of MSAA and I like overclocking. For me, the extra $15 is not worth spending to get what would be a weaker card in how I use my cards. If you don't want to overclock, then the 660 is generally going to have a slight advantage with a few minor losses to the 7850 (the 7850 will fare better if you get one of the highly factory overclocked models). If you do want to overclock, then the 7850's greater headroom should give it the advantage. You could choose based on what you want to do with the card.
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January 11, 2013 10:05:59 PM

For me i'd go with the 7850 it's much cheaper and packs a lot of power if you're going for gaming only, but if you're to do video and photo editing i'd go with the 660 since it has cuda core technology
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January 11, 2013 10:13:55 PM

What program you use for editing matters because for Direct Compute and OpenCL, the Radeon 7850 has the GTX 660 beat by a large margin (not that that is much to talk about because the Radeon 79xx cards leave them both in the dust). I also don't think that the Radon 7850 is much cheaper than the GTX 660, on average, unless you're counting the inferior 1GB models.
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January 12, 2013 12:27:21 AM

CaptainTom said:
The 7850 fully overclocked beats a fully overclocked 660 most of the time.

source?
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January 12, 2013 12:48:27 AM

ok thanks guys. after this question i think ill have my card chosen. is the 192-bit bus a problem? the 7850 has a 256 bit bus and im wondering if this will prove to be any of a pro
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January 12, 2013 12:51:32 AM

There's nothing wrong with the 192 bit bus, the 660 gtx is better than a 7850, for 1080p or other resolution, the 660 will be better, in the present or in the future.
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January 12, 2013 1:03:08 AM

djangoringo said:
There's nothing wrong with the 192 bit bus, the 660 gtx is better than a 7850, for 1080p or other resolution, the 660 will be better, in the present or in the future.


The 192 bit bus is why the GTX 660 doesn't beat the GTX 660 Ti. There is a lot wrong with that bus, it is a huge bottle-neck for the GTX 660. Further proof is how the GTX 660 Ti does not perform identically to the GTX 670 because the only difference between them is the memory bus and ROPs and the GTX 660's GPU is not much weaker than that of the GTX 660 Ti.

Furthermore, as has been said before, the Radeon 7850 has far better overclocking headroom than the 660, so it's not clean-cut like you claim.

iam2thecrowe said:
source?


A 40-60% overclock on the Radeon 7850 is normal. A 25-30% overclock on the GTX 660 is a great overclock for the GTX 660. The math speaks for itself, but I may be able to find some examples if I really had to. The problem is that most reviews done with current drivers is focused on the Radeon 7970 and 7970 GHz Edition and occasionally the 7950 rather than the mid-ranged cards and lower end cards, so anything that I pick up for performance with them is unlikely to be current drivers, but even with older drivers, the 660 simply can't compete with a Radeon 7850 in overclocking.
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January 12, 2013 1:04:45 AM

Ok thanks alot guys. Im gonna go with an MSI Twin Frozr 7850. Im gonna try and OC it to 1150 on the core.. If i cant overclock it im gonna return it and get a 660
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January 12, 2013 1:06:33 AM

ndslite said:
Ok thanks alot guys. Im gonna go with an MSI Twin Frozr 7850. Im gonna try and OC it to 1150 on the core.. If i cant overclock it im gonna return it and get a 660
:lol:  o.k. enjoy!
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January 12, 2013 1:08:17 AM

djangoringo said:
There's nothing wrong with the 192 bit bus, the 660 gtx is better than a 7850, for 1080p or other resolution, the 660 will be better, in the present or in the future.

+1 The 660 has the same bandwidth as the 7850 because of faster memory speeds.

Smoother gaming on the GTX 660, no question. http://techreport.com/review/23527/review-nvidia-geforc...
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January 12, 2013 1:08:26 AM

ndslite said:
Ok thanks alot guys. Im gonna go with an MSI Twin Frozr 7850. Im gonna try and OC it to 1150 on the core.. If i cant overclock it im gonna return it and get a 660


It can probably get around there on stock voltage, but it's not unlikely that 1150MHz GPU frequency will need a small voltage boost. Don't forget to give the memory a decent boost too ;) 
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January 12, 2013 1:10:19 AM

jessterman21 said:
+1 The 660 has the same bandwidth as the 7850 because of faster memory speeds.

Smoother gaming on the GTX 660, no question. http://techreport.com/review/23527/review-nvidia-geforc...


Actually, the 7850 has higher memory bandwidth because the 660's frequency isn't high enough to completely offset the difference and besides that, AMD is also more efficient with memory bandwidth than Nvidia is. Furthermore, that's a several months old review without current drivers and a very small game selection. There's a lot to question.

Regardless of that, it didn't take overclocking into consideration and from the looks of it, that would have turned things around in that review. All it showed was that at stock, the GTX 660 and the Radeon 7870 had great parity at that time. It mentions nothing about overclocking.
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January 12, 2013 1:13:48 AM

blazorthon said:
The 192 bit bus is why the GTX 660 doesn't beat the GTX 660 Ti. There is a lot wrong with that bus, it is a huge bottle-neck for the GTX 660. Further proof is how the GTX 660 Ti does not perform identically to the GTX 670 because the only difference between them is the memory bus and ROPs and the GTX 660's GPU is not much weaker than that of the GTX 660 Ti.



The 660 gtx doesn't beat the 660 ti cause of the 192 bit bus ? if both have the same bit bus...the 660 ti has more cuda cores and texture units.
The 660 gtx is better than the 7850, in benchmarks, see around the web, ALL points the 660 gtx as better, and with the techpowerup overclocks tests, it shows that in no way a 7850 even oc is better than a 660 gtx oc.
And i leave the driver aspect and other factors out of it.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/MSI/HD_7850_Power_Edition/ima...
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_HAWK/images/perf_...
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January 12, 2013 1:17:55 AM

djangoringo said:
The 660 gtx doesn't beat the 660 ti cause of the 192 bit bus ? if both have the same bit bus...the 660 ti has more cuda cores and texture units.
The 660 gtx is better than the 7850, in benchmarks, see around the web, ALL points the 660 gtx as better, and with the techpowerup overclocks tests, it shows that in no way a 7850 even oc is better than a 660 gtx oc.
And i leave the driver aspect and other factors out of it.


If the GTX 660 had a 256 bit bus like the GTX 670's, then the minor GPU performance loss to the 660 Ti wouldn't have mattered. It would beat the GTX 660 Ti. That's my point with those two cards. Memory performance and ROP performance are all that separate the GTX 670 and the GTX 660 Ti and look how much that affected things. Heck, look at the GTX 670 versus the GTX 680. There's a significant difference in GPU performance, yet their identical memory performance makes their gaming performance difference about a third of the GPU performance difference, on average.

Your link had nothing to do with overclocking and in no way whatsoever does it prove that the 7850 would lose in an overclocking comparison. In fact, it shows quite the opposite. It simply showed that at stock with drivers of the time, the 7850 lost to the 660 and the 7870 was comparable to the 660.

Leaving drivers out of the equation is leaving one of the most important aspects out. Drivers are what brought the 7970 from below the 660 Ti on average to around the 680 on average.
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January 12, 2013 1:35:21 AM

Drivers for nvidia will always be better, more mature drivers, always good support for almost any game at the first few days, see nvidia has also a lot of driver changes, for boosting performance overall (it's now on 310.90 released just a few days), it's just speculation that a 7850 oc beats a 660 gtx oc, as if a 660 gtx couldn't oc at all, very subjective...
It proves something cause that two cards are the same brand and model, only the gpu is from the amd named 7850 and the other one 660 gtx, with the 7850 even overclocked reaching the stock speeds of the other...
Also a recent review(newest amd drivers vs older nvidia drivers at the time) : http://www.techspot.com/review/603-best-graphics-cards/...

And then there's the techreport analysis of the amd 7950 with higher latencies vs 660 ti...with amd claiming it's gonna fix it...who knows what other cards could be the same if tested...

Either way he decides, it's still good cards for 1080p, but in my opinion the 660 gtx is worth the extra 20$.

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January 12, 2013 1:40:58 AM

djangoringo said:
Drivers for nvidia will always be better, more mature drivers, always good support for almost any game at the first few days, see nvidia has also a lot of driver changes, for boosting performance overall (it's now on 310.90 release a few days), it's just speculation that a 7850 oc beats a 660 gtx, as if a 660 gtx couldn't oc at all, very subjective...
Also a recent review(newest amd drivers vs older nvidia drivers at the time) : http://www.techspot.com/review/603-best-graphics-cards/...

And then there's the techreport analysis of the amd 7950 with higher latencies vs 660 ti...with amd claiming it's gonna fix it...


Oh yeah sure, Nvidia always has better drivers... Tell that to my 8800 GT that got burned by a Nvidia WHQL release (no, not a beta, but a supposedly safe WHQL release downloaded strait from Nvidia). Have you ever heard of 196.75? How about how Nvidia, up until a few months ago, had thousands of customers complaining about ridiculous stutter problems caused by faulty V-Sync, adaptive V-Sync not working, and bad underclocking problems? There was a period of several weeks where AMD actually had better single GPU drivers just a few months ago because Nvidia had so many problems.

Furthermore, it's not jsut speculation that 7850 overclock beats 660 overclock. I own a 7850 and I've worked with many others and 660s for clients' builds. Radeon 7850 cards, except for a few gimped models, are among the best overclocking cards in history. 40-60% overclocks are literally the norm. GTX 660s struggle to get half that over stock.

Furthermore, you're basing your opinion of the 7950 on a single review that only tested a few games with a driver that's ten releases old.
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January 12, 2013 1:48:09 AM

I had a 8000 series from nvidia a long time ago, i never experienced any troubles or any glitches, blue screens while gaming, that was in 2007.
I had some nvidia cards, none gave me headache, just installed always the latest, even the betas, i didn't got any problem...
As for the percentage of overclock that's subjective, some might even crash at a little bump of the core or memory, see the problems with the 7870 GHZ, which some crashes,freezes, and black screens cause of the oc from factory...
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January 12, 2013 1:57:56 AM

mf2385 said:
The GTX 660 and 660 ti both have 192-bit memory bandwidth, idk what you are talking about go check on the specs on the NVidia website.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt...


I can list the exact specifications in core count, memory bus width, memory capacity, memory bandwidth, and much more for all of Nvidia's and AMD's high end and mid-ranged modern desktop cards without looking them up. I know what they are. My point was that if the 660 had a 256 bit bus like the 670 has, then it would not lose to the 660 Ti because it's memory and ROP advantage over the 660 Ti would be more important than the minor GPU performance loss.
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January 12, 2013 2:02:17 AM

djangoringo said:
I had a 8000 series from nvidia a long time ago, i never experienced any troubles or any glitches, blue screens while gaming, that was in 2007.
I had some nvidia cards, none gave me headache, just installed always the latest, even the betas, i didn't got any problem...
As for the percentage of overclock that's subjective, some might even crash at a little bump of the core or memory, see the problems with the 7870 GHZ, which some crashes,freezes, and black screens cause of the oc from factory...


That sounds like a faulty unit. I've had them from both AMD and Nvidia and they're usually more related to the model than AMD and Nvidia unless there are driver issues, which there shouldn't be for either company that would cause problems like that right now.
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January 12, 2013 2:07:22 AM

blazorthon said:
I can list the exact specifications in core count, memory bus width, memory capacity, memory bandwidth, and much more for all of Nvidia's and AMD's high end and mid-ranged modern desktop cards without looking them up. I know what they are. My point was that if the 660 had a 256 bit bus like the 670 has, then it would not lose to the 660 Ti because it's memory and ROP advantage over the 660 Ti would be more important than the minor GPU performance loss.


Alrighty, well thanks for clarifying, but yes if it had 256-bit memory interface, things would be different.
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January 12, 2013 2:08:50 AM

mf2385 said:
Alrighty, well thanks for clarifying, but yes if it had 256-bit memory interface, things would be different.


Really, the only major problems holding Nvidia Kepler back are their memory buses and voltage locking (granted their VRM could also use some improvement, that was a major problem with reference Nvidia cards such as the reference GTX 570, that's easily fixed by buying non-reference cards with better VRM). If not for those, then they'd overclock as well as AMD's GCN-GPU based cards, perhaps even better. Kepler is most certainly capable of it as an architecture and from what I understand of it, it's 28nm fab process is a little superior to the 28nm process used by AMD (that was supposedly a big part of why Nvidia was so late and had horrible availability until the GTX 670 and GTX 660 Ti).
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January 12, 2013 2:11:35 AM

The point is the 192 bit bus is plenty for 1080p, and that 192 bit bus of a 660 or 660 ti is better than the 256 bit bus from 7850(gets outperformed by the 660 gtx) or 7870(gets outperformed by 660 ti) and even the 384 bit bus of the 7950 doesn't help of getting outperformed by the 660 ti, see the techreport.
And this discussion is digressing from the main question what's better, a 7850 or a 660 gtx.
And the answer is simple : 660 gtx.
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performanc...

Bringing overclocks fantasies or else without proof is just being biased.
And that's all, i gave my opinion on what's best, it's up to him to decide.
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January 12, 2013 2:15:10 AM

djangoringo said:
The point is the 192 bit bus is plenty for 1080p, and that 192 bit bus of a 660 or 660 ti is better than the 256 bit bus from 7850(gets outperformed by the 660 gtx) or 7870(gets outperformed by 660 ti) and even the 384 bit bus of the 7950 doesn't help of getting outperformed by the 660 ti, see the techreport.
And this discussion is digressing from the main question what's better, a 7850 or a 660 gtx.
And the answer is simple : 660 gtx.
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performanc...

Bringing overclocks fantasies or else without proof is just being biased.
And that's all, i gave my opinion on what's best, it's up to him to decide.


Look up average overclocks for the 7850 before calling them fantasies. My 7850 is a little exceptional for a 7850 because I modded it to handle a little over a 70% overclock (in performance from both GPU and memory overclocking, the GPU frequency itself is not overclocked by 70%). 40-60% is normal. Heck, some factory overclocked models reach for the stock of the Radeon 7870 GHz Edition, a good like 30%ish overclock without even bringing in manual overclocking. Disregarding all that without proof is being biased on your own.

Last, but not least, this is technology. The answer to such a question as this is far from simple. Anyone who tried to simplify the complex always oversimplifies it and misses things that should not be missed. For example, you yet again bring up a review that only sampled a few games and is ten driver version releases out of date.
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January 12, 2013 2:39:41 AM

blazorthon said:
Look up average overclocks for the 7850 before calling them fantasies. My 7850 is a little exceptional for a 7850 because I modded it to handle a little over a 70% overclock (in performance from both GPU and memory overclocking, the GPU frequency itself is not overclocked by 70%). 40-60% is normal. Heck, some factory overclocked models reach for the stock of the Radeon 7870 GHz Edition, a good like 30%ish overclock without even bringing in manual overclocking. Disregarding all that without proof is being biased on your own.

Last, but not least, this is technology. The answer to such a question as this is far from simple. Anyone who tried to simplify the complex always oversimplifies it and misses things that should not be missed. For example, you yet again bring up a review that only sampled a few games and is ten driver version releases out of date.


I can confirm this, I can get my 7850s both to 1150 Core on stock voltage within acceptable temperatures but I keep them to 1000 because I don't need any performance gains on crossfired 7850s.
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January 12, 2013 5:23:10 AM

Based on my little personal experience from testing a 660 VS 7870 I can tell u they were both equal (7870 better in a game , 660 better in another ) to conclude there was no difference and that what most of the reviews show that they are both very equal in performance so i'm quite sure AMD have made 7870 better than a 7850 , i don't really know people who think a 7850 is better than a 660 what's there evidence !!!!
no single review show that and they always reply overclocking overclocking overclocking , when i compare cards i compare them on their stock clocks. Overclocking is not so wonderful thing that boosts the performance only if anything happen to the card while it's overclocked u will loose the warranty and the card will be damaged and not because someone overclocked his 7850 to a very high clocks this means u will also get the same clocks without any issues , if they insist on their overclocking opinion I could reply saying a 660 when overclocked will give equal performance to 660 ti & 7950 and sometimes better.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/56674-nvidia-gtx-660-2gb-review-23.html
but I never said that before coz this ain't a fair comparison and that's why I never enter someone's post asking about the 660 ti and tell him u can get the 660 and overclock it blah blah blah
BTW here is an actual comparison between them that do exist in reality

ndslite what do u think ?
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January 12, 2013 5:54:33 AM

Sandouby_96 said:
Based on my little personal experience from testing a 660 VS 7870 I can tell u they were both equal (7870 better in a game , 660 better in another ) to conclude there was no difference and that what most of the reviews show that they are both very equal in performance so i'm quite sure AMD have made 7870 better than a 7850 , i don't really know people who think a 7850 is better than a 660 what's there evidence !!!!
no single review show that and they always reply overclocking overclocking overclocking , when i compare cards i compare them on their stock clocks. Overclocking is not so wonderful thing that boosts the performance only if anything happen to the card while it's overclocked u will loose the warranty and the card will be damaged and not because someone overclocked his 7850 to a very high clocks this means u will also get the same clocks without any issues , if they insist on their overclocking opinion I could reply saying a 660 when overclocked will give equal performance to 660 ti & 7950 and sometimes better.
but I never said that before coz this ain't a fair comparison and that's why I never enter someone's post asking about the 660 ti and tell him u can get the 660 and overclock it blah blah blah
BTW here is an actual comparison between them that do exist in reality
ndslite what do u think ?


Actually, the Radeon 7850 has much higher overclocking headroom than the GTX 660 and overclocking is not really dangerous unless you have no clue what you're doing and you screw around with voltage too much. Furthermore, unless you actually tell the companies that you overclocked, they have no way of knowing. If you have a problem with lying to the companies if you somehow manage to screw up a card with overclocking, then fine but if you do manage that and didn't do something stupid, then chances are that it would have failed even at stock quite soon. Overclocking rarely causes a card to fail unless it was going to fail even without overclocking.

At stock reference, the GTX 660 is generally between the Radeon 7850 and the Radeon 7870 with current drivers from both Nvidia and AMD.
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Sandouby_96 said:
Based on my little personal experience from testing a 660 VS 7870 I can tell u they were both equal (7870 better in a game , 660 better in another ) to conclude there was no difference and that what most of the reviews show that they are both very equal in performance so i'm quite sure AMD have made 7870 better than a 7850 , i don't really know people who think a 7850 is better than a 660 what's there evidence !!!!
no single review show that and they always reply overclocking overclocking overclocking , when i compare cards i compare them on their stock clocks. Overclocking is not so wonderful thing that boosts the performance only if anything happen to the card while it's overclocked u will loose the warranty and the card will be damaged and not because someone overclocked his 7850 to a very high clocks this means u will also get the same clocks without any issues , if they insist on their overclocking opinion I could reply saying a 660 when overclocked will give equal performance to 660 ti & 7950 and sometimes better.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/56674-nvidia-gtx-660-2gb-review-23.html
but I never said that before coz this ain't a fair comparison and that's why I never enter someone's post asking about the 660 ti and tell him u can get the 660 and overclock it blah blah blah
BTW here is an actual comparison between them that do exist in reality
http://i49.tinypic.com/spiulc.jpg
ndslite what do u think ?


LOL the best factory overclocked 660 beat a non-GHz 7870 at stock. What a surprise! Thanks for the lolz...
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