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January 11, 2013 2:41:38 AM

I'm looking at upgrading my terrible graphics card, the rest of the system from what I can tell with my limited knowledge is actually rather good.

I'm looking at either:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

or

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Yes, I am Australian. No, I don't ride kangaroos to work, us cool people ride emu's :) 

Rest of system:

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Mostly gaming but the usual stuff as well, youtube, email, pr0n ;) 

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: NVIDIA GT 530 (Says 4gb on the card itself but CPUID says it has 2gb), 400W PSU

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS: Intel Core i7 3770 @3.4GhZ , MSI H61M-P31, 8GB in 2x4GB sticks.

PARTS PREFERENCES: Not hugely concerned I have a slight bias towards Nvidia (explained below)

OVERCLOCKING: Probably not, SLI/Xfire is not possible with my mobo

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I've been playing WoW since beta and even though I'm not playing atm I know I'll go back to it cause I always do and from what I can tell WoW has always held a slight bias toward Nvidia gear.
I'm currently playing Skyrim and Assassins Creed III.

I'm looking to avoid any major bottlenecks in my system so I want a card that will be suited to the speed of the rest of the system. Those 2 cards are about perfect for the budget but if they're way over or under powered I'll look at others.

More about : gtx 660 7870 thread

a b U Graphics card
January 11, 2013 2:48:31 AM

Hi. Either of those card will do fine but I think you'll have to replace your PSU.
January 11, 2013 2:51:11 AM

Thought that may be the case, my wife is going to kill me haha
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January 11, 2013 2:54:50 AM

Also are nvidia cards significantly better in games that support physx or is the difference pretty minor?
January 11, 2013 3:10:33 AM

Sorry, both cards will work with that PSU or without? I'd prefer not to upgrade my PSU due to
A: $70 spent on a PSU is $70 less to spend on a video card and
B: $70 is 2 cartons of beer, so thats a major purchase :p 
a b U Graphics card
January 11, 2013 3:33:03 AM

shadily said:
Sorry, both cards will work with that PSU or without? I'd prefer not to upgrade my PSU due to
A: $70 spent on a PSU is $70 less to spend on a video card and
B: $70 is 2 cartons of beer, so thats a major purchase :p 


Your really cutting it close with that psu..The requirements is 450w psu 24 amps on a +12 volt rail
a c 86 U Graphics card
January 11, 2013 4:06:40 AM

Nvidia has PhysX, but AMD has advantages of their own too. I prefer the Radeon 7870 over the GTX 660, but the GTX 660 is still a very good card and if you have a slight Nvidia bias, then it's easily the card to get. It's not like the GT 640 versus the Radeon 7750 where there can be a serious problem with the Nvidia card in the comparison.
January 11, 2013 9:04:57 AM

So the PSU issue is a matter of 'install it and see if the machine boots' or is it more of a 'the machine will boot, then burn out your card and the rest the components'.

Also are these good choices for my cpu range or are they too high or low? I'm looking for a balanced system so I won't need to upgrade anything else till I upgrade EVERYTHING else.

Thanks for the replys
a b U Graphics card
January 11, 2013 10:38:29 AM

I would choose the 7870 over the 660 since the 7870 performs better and you should be able to run either one on a 500w PSU.

January 11, 2013 10:55:04 AM

Yeah I looked at the AMD and Nvidia webites they recommend a 500w for the 7870 and a 450w for the 660 so either way I'm up for another PSU.
January 11, 2013 11:02:30 AM

This NVIDIA card will outperform the Radeon. It will also stay cool while doing it.
a b U Graphics card
January 11, 2013 11:10:56 AM

haswell5271 said:
This NVIDIA card will outperform the Radeon. It will also stay cool while doing it.



No it will not. I'm not going to bother posting proof as it appears you have internet access and can look for yourself.
a b U Graphics card
January 11, 2013 11:14:54 AM

haswell5271 said:
This NVIDIA card will outperform the Radeon. It will also stay cool while doing it.


Incorrect the 7870 is far superior.
a b U Graphics card
January 11, 2013 11:43:47 AM

Get the Radeon but the Sapphire edition is better and slightly cheaper
a b U Graphics card
January 11, 2013 1:22:38 PM

Physx looks great in the few games that use it. If you really like Batman or borderlands then get Nvidia. Otherwise AMD.
a b U Graphics card
January 11, 2013 2:22:23 PM

spentshells said:
Drivers changes since then have improved amd cards considerably.


Could you post a more recent one then? I couldn't find anything. But based off of most of your comments I'm sure you already have seen some and could share?
a b U Graphics card
January 11, 2013 2:35:05 PM

I thought the 12.11 was the big performance drivers for AMD have they had other BIG ones? (Keep in mind the nvidia drivers have improved performance as well)
here is another review with 12.11, What am I missing that you see so clearly?

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_P...

They are within 1-4% in performance depending on resolution, The 660 has less frame latency(slightly smoother gameplay), adaptive sync, Physx and other features the 7870 does not have.
a b U Graphics card
January 11, 2013 2:42:03 PM

shadily said:
So the PSU issue is a matter of 'install it and see if the machine boots' or is it more of a 'the machine will boot, then burn out your card and the rest the components'.

Also are these good choices for my cpu range or are they too high or low? I'm looking for a balanced system so I won't need to upgrade anything else till I upgrade EVERYTHING else.

Thanks for the replys


You can blow out your psu by keeping a card in there.. Honestly i would look into a psu something like the one i showed you and dont get a cheap branded psu to get by..People has made so many mistakes on that

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a c 86 U Graphics card
January 11, 2013 3:44:45 PM
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Derza10 said:
I thought the 12.11 was the big performance drivers for AMD have they had other BIG ones? (Keep in mind the nvidia drivers have improved performance as well)
here is another review with 12.11, What am I missing that you see so clearly?

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_P...

They are within 1-4% in performance depending on resolution, The 660 has less frame latency(slightly smoother gameplay), adaptive sync, Physx and other features the 7870 does not have.


Adaptive V-Sync has nothing on Lucid virtual V-Sync, something that all graphics cards support with Z68/Z77 boards and I've heard that some AMD boards are getting support for it too.

The frame latency tests were done on only a few games, so they are inconclusive on gaming as a whole. For example, I've read a similar review from TechReport about CPUs and in two games tested, Pentium G2120 did horribly, yet in another two, it did decently. Different games can have wildly different preferences.

Furthermore, the 7870 has things that Nvidia lacks or at least does much more poorly in such as proper AA (MSAA is far superior to FXAA in quality and works far better on AMD cards than on Nvidia Kepler based models). Nvidia's TXAA is still poorly supported and wouldn't do anything more than even the scores in this.

AMD also has far superior performance in compute-oriented features such as some advanced lighting features that can be said to compete with PhysX (which can be supported by simply throwing in a cheap Nvidia card as a PhysX processor if the CPU isn't good enough to handle it). The list goes on for both AMD and Nvidia.

There have been ten releases since Catalyst 12.11 Beta. A few of them were more impacting than the orignial 12.11 versus 12.8. That's what you're missing.

Besides, IDK why people here are saying that either one is far superior to the other. The 7870 has a slight lead on average and a more significant lead in overclocking, on average. That is all. The 660 is a very viable alternative and has its fair share of wins anyway (they're close enough to trade blows at or near stock reference performance for each). There isn't a significant difference either way at stock and even overclocking doesn't make too huge of a difference.
a b U Graphics card
January 11, 2013 3:51:00 PM

Exactly, I'm just trying to provide facts and not opinions, and am wanting these people that are randomly spouting out opinions to back them with some facts... They are very close in performance and after looking them up on newegg, it seems the 7870 is on avg about $20 more than the 660.
a b U Graphics card
January 11, 2013 3:51:30 PM

I tried Lucid mvp with my 3570k and 7870. It made most of my games feel laggy even though I was playing at over 60 fps before installing lucid. It only seemed to help Skyrim and Metro.
a c 86 U Graphics card
January 11, 2013 3:54:24 PM

Virtual V-Sync should only be used in conjunction with HyperFormance. Are you sure that you were using both of them?
a b U Graphics card
January 11, 2013 3:57:45 PM

Yes I was using both. I tried all 3 combinations and didn't like lucid at all.
a c 86 U Graphics card
January 11, 2013 4:03:15 PM

wanderer11 said:
Yes I was using both. I tried all 3 combinations and didn't like lucid at all.


IDK what to say to that. I haven't had any problem with it with any game and I'm known to be one of the more sensitive folks about this sort of thing (I even go as far as to get a decent 120Hz display because I notice the differences between them and decent 60Hz/75Hz displays too much for my tastes).
a b U Graphics card
January 11, 2013 4:28:56 PM

I was playing Torchlight 2 a lot then and always got 60 fps, but saw tearing so I wanted to try Lucid. I installed it and fraps then said 130 (I know it isn't accurate with Lucid), but it felt like I was getting under 30. I don't really know how to describe, but everything felt slow.
a b U Graphics card
January 12, 2013 1:05:16 AM

goldsauce said:
Incorrect the 7870 is far superior.

Incorrect, the 7870 is not far superior to the 660, is is only a bit superior when in 4-8X msaa antialiasing
a c 86 U Graphics card
January 12, 2013 1:24:15 AM

airplanegeek said:
Incorrect, the 7870 is not far superior to the 660, is is only a bit superior when in 4-8X msaa antialiasing


The 7870 is a bit better than the 660 on average with current drivers (tom's puts it around the 660 Ti, so only a small step ahead of the 660). it is correct to say that it only really differentiates itself from the 660 with heavy MSAA and/or other very memory/ROP-intensive workloads and even then, I think that we can both agree on that it is not far superior to the 660. However, it is definitely more than a bit in most such memory and ROP intensive situations.
a b U Graphics card
January 12, 2013 1:37:42 AM

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/548?vs=660

7870 better on average and is usually only outdone in games twimtbp

I moved to nvida and found the opposite of what you always hear to be true

OC on nvidia chips provides better results despite being smaller overclocks
And hang me now but drivers seemed more stable with AMD in relation to overclocking
January 22, 2013 9:40:56 PM

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