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March 2, 2013 5:11:38 PM

ive been pricing out components for a new build.. i like to find the features and components i like, and then find a matching motherboard

originally i was going to go with an AMD 8350 processor, but was told id get much better performance from an I5 3570K processor which does cost about $30 more... however, due to larger motherboard selections with intel processors i can actually get an equivelant motherboard about $30 cheaper which in the end comes out to the same price for a better motherboard, and what ive been told is a better processor for gaming

my original intention was to use a radeon 7950 card.. but im open to some nvidia suggestions... and im still open to suggestions for processor as well.. RAM is cheap enough that i think ill put in 16gb, did a calculation where i put in all the hardware im looking at using with a lot of extra to overcompensate for the amount of power i will be using, came out to about 650w, so i was going to use an 850w power supply.. already have the case which is a full ATX with four 200mm fans, so air cooling definitely

so yeah... just looking at some processor and video card options?
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March 2, 2013 6:01:01 PM

If you're not planning to SLI or Crossfire, A 550-600w good quality psu will do you fine. What's your budget? I can build you a good build without the case. do you need a os and monitor? Planning to overclock or dual gpu? I need all these answered to get a good build for you!
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March 2, 2013 6:13:20 PM

As Realchaos said, more details would allow for more detailed answers, but I can provide some generalities.

The i5 chips are faster, but which to choose depends on if you are going to overclock. If you are going to overclock, get the 3570k. If you are not going to overclock, get the 3350p (you also won't need the integrated gpu, since you are going discrete), that will save you about $40.

If you do not plan on overclocking, you do not need a Z77 motherboard, get an H77 and save yourself about $80. If you do plan on overclocking, by all means get the Z77, you'll be much happier.

I can't talk about the nVidia cards, since I'm planning a build myself right now and am committed to geting a Radeon card, so someone else will have to help you with those. However, I can comment on the 79xx series card since I've been doing some research on those myself. Adding to what Realchaos said, if you do not plan on an SLI/Crossfire setup, a 500-600w quality PSU is all you will need to power a HD7950. If you have the extra $100 to spend, splurge and get the HD7970 instead.
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March 2, 2013 6:44:46 PM

id like to go with one good GPU if i can... im not sure ill get really any better results for the price if i double up on lesser GPUs, but i could be wrong... and i have a case, and a 1080P monitor... ive thought about playing around with overclocking, and intend on getting a better CPU cooler as well, combined with the four 200mm fans, i could probably get into some decent overclocking... so id be interested in experimenting with it a bit, but nothing major

for budget id like to stay around $800.. willing to go up to 900 if theres some specific hardware that offers a better value, and this is not including the tower i already have, or the monitor i already have

im assuming the 3350p is just a 3570k without the discrete graphics or ease of overclocking?

im basically looking to play current and future games for the next few years at high settings with 1080p resolution as im looking to end my time with console gaming and move over to PC gaming
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March 2, 2013 7:06:16 PM

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... ive thought about playing around with overclocking, and intend on getting a better CPU cooler as well, combined with the four 200mm fans, i could probably get into some decent overclocking... so id be interested in experimenting with it a bit, but nothing major


Keep in mind, you can OC a 3350p, IIRC, you can only mess with the voltage, not the multiplier.

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im assuming the 3350p is just a 3570k without the discrete graphics or ease of overclocking?


Yep. I do believe the the "k" in 3570k indicates the multiplier is unlocked. And the "p" in 3350p means the internal graphics core is disabled.

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for budget id like to stay around $800.. willing to go up to 900 if theres some specific hardware that offers a better value, and this is not including the tower i already have, or the monitor i already have


With that budget, it's really going to come down to what kind of OC you plan on doing, If you want full freedom to OC as you will, you'll probably want to stick with the HD7950. If considerably less OC potential doesn't bother you, get the HD7970. Note the performance difference between the two really isn't that big, but the HD7970 will last a bit longer before it becomes outdated.

With what you are looking at, you should easily out perform the upcoming consoles for 2 or 3 years at least.
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March 2, 2013 7:26:13 PM

well heres what i was looking at in a newegg shopping cart..

geforce GTX 660 TI graphics,
650w 80 plus gold power supply
2x8gb ripjaw memory
MSI Z77A-G41 motherboard which only has one PCI-E x16 3.0, and onboard USB 3.0 headers (my case has external USB 3.0 ports

and the I5 3570K processor... total price of about $805

i would save $50 if i go with the 3350P processor which i could put towards something else... like a different video card

radeons are owned by AMD now, arent they?... heard they tend to work better with AMD processors and not as much on intel?... but i also do a lot of work with linux, so another deciding factor is which brand tends to support linux more?

another factor would be that though im primarily getting into gaming, i also use 3D solid modeling software (autodesk inventor) to design things in 3D, however, even with my 4 year old computer im still able to use this software, so i dont think its all that much of a factor
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March 2, 2013 8:33:12 PM

That seems like a solid build to me, maybe cut down a bit on the psu to a 550w but a 650 is fine too. May I ask, what brand of psu is it? Can you link us to the page? A bad psu brand may be less watts than listed. AMD gpus should work just the same with an intel or amd cpu, so no worries. Not sure about the linux, but nvidia should be better than radeon on the 3d modeling.
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March 3, 2013 12:54:34 AM

i believe the PSU was rosewill, but i make sure i check reviews on everything before i buy anything...

i watched a side by side comparison between the 7950 and 660 TI where the frame rates of multiple games were tested, and though the 7950 would be capable of a higher frame rate it also had instances of low frame rates, so the graph on the frame rates spiked and dropped radically whereass the 660 TI didnt spike as high, but didnt drop as low either and maintained a more stable performance.. after watching this i was more interested in the 660 TI than the 7950, but the comparison i watched could have been inaccurate or there could have been another problem... they were both tested on the same computers

ill have to decide if i have that much of an interest in overclocking or not to determine if i go with the 3570k or the 3350p... no one to make a case for the AMD 8350?
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March 3, 2013 1:12:40 AM

If it's the rosewill capstone 650, nice choice. It's a good psu with an oem of superflower. The 660ti and 7950 are really close gpus. It depends on what games you play. The radeon 7950 comes with bioshock infinite and crysis 3 for free. The 660ti comes with Hawken, World of Tanks, and Planetside 2 for free. If you want to play one of those games, get the gpu that it comes with.

In a situation of 3570k/3350p vs the 8350, the answer is all up to you.

3570k/3350p: More of a "now" build. They will do better than the 8350 in games right now, but the thing with intel is that each generation will need a change in motherboards. Buy this now to get the more performance as of today and spend more to upgrade later

FX-8350: Future-proof....kind of. With 8 cores and games starting to demand more cores, this will be good for a while. Also allows you to multitask more and it can overclock pretty good and easily too. Yes it consumes more power but it shouldn't be extremely noticeable on your bills. Also, when the time comes to upgrade you won't need to change motherboards, only the cpu.
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March 3, 2013 2:45:23 AM

so youre saying right now the sheer single-thread performance of the I5s are what makes them better than the AMDs for gaming.. but that games are heading towards using more cores and hyperthreading so the 8350 will be better in the future?...

but how long in the future if i decide to upgrade in 3-5 years?...

is intel planning to upgrade from the 1155 socket sometime soon?

im curious how far i would have to overclock an 8350 to equal the single thread capabilities of the 3570K? and i think ill still base the AMD/nvidia decision on whats going to offer me the best support on linux, as with steam on linux and steambox, ive noticed many other studios and developers competing for the linux market so i see linux becoming a hot spot for PC gaming later this year.. after windows 8, microsoft deserves a bit of a beating from linux
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March 3, 2013 3:00:38 AM

The problem with many of those video card comparisons is often they are biased by something like not up to date drivers on either side or non optimum settings.

660 vs 7950 is a really close call. AMD GPUs are not partial to CPU brands. NVidia is more likely to try crap like that ;) 

I would still say you are better off with the I5 but I am a bit of an Intel fan.

Nvidia historically had a strong advantage in Linux but AMD is catching up pretty well.
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March 3, 2013 3:05:12 AM

well if i remember correctly, nvidia had the advantage over ATI.. since AMD has taken over it seems theyve been putting a lot of work to catch up from where ATI left off which would suggest AMD might be more committed to linux than nvidia at this point... does anyone know the current status of the open source and closed source drivers for the two graphics cards in question?... if theyre both already fully supported by linux then i guess it doesnt matter
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March 3, 2013 3:24:11 AM

ive used intels before, in the pentium era and core 2 duos and so far theyve all failed on me... bad luck maybe, but i have 10 year old and even older AMDs that still work, so i tend to lean more towards AMDs... however, im a very reasonable individual, and i keep an open mind which is why im not entertaining the idea of the 3570K.. and yeah, id probably overclock

also, i really do get the impression the 3570k and 660TI would be better for the hear and now and the 7950 and 8350 would be better for a longer run and it would be nice to play more games at higher quality for a year or two longer if this impression of mine is actually valid

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March 3, 2013 3:30:43 AM

Crysis 3 is already taking advantage of 8cores, it shows the fx-8350 is better than the i5 both at stock speeds. It seems like games are taking advantage of more cores.
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March 3, 2013 3:58:25 AM

well multiple cores is the trend in processors it seems... so why wouldnt games follow along?.. seems natural to assume that as both AMD and intel keep slapping on more cores that games would be written to take advantage of this... so i think in the end im probably actually going to go with the 8350 for that reason, i seem to like the AMD company a bit more,

and it does seem logical that if im going with an AMD processor, i should stick with the AMD graphics as well, and since AMD took over ATI theyve been doing a ton of work with linux as well, more effort than nvidia which has been pretty complacent these last few years with linux support

will the 8350 take full advantage of the 8350? would the 7950 pair up as well with the 8350 performance wise, or would a 7870 essentially give me the same performance in the end at about $100 less?... remember, im looking to upgrade again every 3-5 years, so theres no sense in buying something thatll last a little longer than that if i simply dont need it

also, seems most the AMD boards lack onboard USB 3.0 connectors and PCI-E 3.0
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March 3, 2013 4:12:40 AM

If you're asking if the 8350 will bottleneck the 7950, not it won't. Even the fx-6300 won't bottleneck. The 7950 won't be $100 more. Right now the sapphire 7950 is 270 after rebate, it's a good deal. You can also can a 7870 XT for about $235, its a 7870 with the tahiti le base of a 7950.
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March 3, 2013 4:17:12 AM

im assuming these arent even pci-e 3.0 gpus which would render the need for a PCI-E 3.0 board useless?... and if i do in fact go AMD, is there a big difference between the 970 and 990 chipsets?
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March 3, 2013 5:10:23 AM

970 are standard boards while 990 are overclocking boards. If you want to overclock, grab a 990. Some 970 will allow you to overclock a little but not nearly as much as the 990.
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March 3, 2013 12:40:15 PM

reason i was considering the intel chip before was the fact that although the chip costs more, the boards with similar features are much cheaper which tends to balance out in the prices
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March 3, 2013 2:08:01 PM

so heres what im basically looking at... the 3570K is better for now, the 8350 will be better later...

the 660TI is more stable and seems to have the better AVERAGE performance, the benchmark i seen of the HD7950 shown that it was capable of better, but also had more periods where the framerate would downspike

the AM3+ socket motherboard is good for future AMD processors for the next couple years, but it seems this year the LGA 1155 will be replaced with LGA 1150 with the haswell processors but looking at the haswells i dont see too much of a big improvement over the ivy bridge processors to really need an upgrade to 1150 socket processors should i switch to intel... and although AMD is coming out with steamroller and escavator in the future, will i even need to upgrade to one of these?.. seems the processors at this point are about as good as theyll need to be for quite some time so theres really no need to worry about upgrading processors i guess, though it seems with using some 3D applications, the multi-threading of the AMD may serve me better



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March 4, 2013 12:54:16 PM

i know i budgeted this build at a price range where i can get some really good performance.. but right now im questioning how much performance do i actually need... i mean, it would be nice to build a system where most the components go obsolete at the same time... if the graphics card goes obsolete first, i may have to buy a new motherboard with PCI-E 3.0... which might not support the old processor... or if the processor gets too old too fast ill need a new motherboard anyway

so what id like to do here is design a system around expected obsolescence and lets just say im looking at 3-5 years between new builds... certainly a 3570k/8350 or 660TI/HD7950 will last that long... but can i get a cheaper platform that will last that long?... id like to play on high settings for 3 years with medium-high for the next year, or even medium after the initial 3 years if i can swing this at a much lower price

so id like to entertain the possibility of perhaps the AMD A10-5800K, or FX-6100/FX-4300, compared to maybe a lesser core I5 or I3 processor

with the prospect of using something like a 560TI or 7850 GPU

or if anyone has a good idea for an even lower cost system thatll handle the timeframe and performance requirements without really being "overkill".. feel free to suggest one.. games im most interested in playing are games like battlefield, skyrim, and lesser graphics games like sims 3, civilization, etc
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March 4, 2013 3:38:07 PM

jason41987 said:
so what id like to do here is design a system around expected obsolescence and lets just say im looking at 3-5 years between new builds... certainly a 3570k/8350 or 660TI/HD7950 will last that long... but can i get a cheaper platform that will last that long?... id like to play on high settings for 3 years with medium-high for the next year, or even medium after the initial 3 years if i can swing this at a much lower price

so id like to entertain the possibility of perhaps the AMD A10-5800K, or FX-6100/FX-4300, compared to maybe a lesser core I5 or I3 processor

with the prospect of using something like a 560TI or 7850 GPU

or if anyone has a good idea for an even lower cost system thatll handle the timeframe and performance requirements without really being "overkill".. feel free to suggest one.. games im most interested in playing are games like battlefield, skyrim, and lesser graphics games like sims 3, civilization, etc


Not a bad Idea. I've been considering an i5-3350p/FX-8350 + HD7950 to play ultra/high @1680x1050/1440x900 for the next three years, right now it looks like I'm going to spend between 650-750. Of course I already have a 600w Seasonic PSU and reuse my very old (so old it didn't have front USB ports until I added them, but it is very well ventilated and fits perfectly where I want it to) case.

More to your request, my brother plays Skyrim on medium settings with a notebook that has an i3 with only the integrated graphics. For another example, my current Athlon II X3 with an HD5770 runs Skyrim @1680x1050 on high (with some settings pushed to ultra), but I have AA turned off.

So a lesser CPU/GPU combination may be what you'll need.
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March 4, 2013 5:26:41 PM

so i wonder how long an FX-4300/A10-5800K with a 7850 card would last me on high settings?.. it seems it would last me as long as i was planning to build this system for but at a significantly lower cost which may allow me to upgrade more often... i have a decent case (a thermaltake chaser MK-1) and will be getting a 650w gold rated power supply.. can reuse my old hard drives so it looks like future upgrades ill only be looking at motherboards/cpus/gpus and sometimes ram

this way i could follow the market a bit closer, not buy heavily into a top end motherboard or processor, still play the games i want on the high settings and with the money i save i wont have to buy into any specific system for the long-term

but should i shoot for this lower price point ($200 for video card, under $250 for motherboard/CPU)... what would you recommend as far as processor and video card?... i believe the FX-4300, A10-5800K and the intel i3 3220 would all be the same price range to compare with, and at the price point the FM2 motherboards seem to have more modern features at lower costs than the AM3+.. also, AMD seems like theyll be committed to the FM2 longer than the AM3+ which is due to be changed in the next year or two
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March 4, 2013 5:59:55 PM

jason41987 said:
but should i shoot for this lower price point ($200 for video card, under $250 for motherboard/CPU)... what would you recommend as far as processor and video card?... i believe the FX-4300, A10-5800K and the intel i3 3220 would all be the same price range to compare with, and at the price point the FM2 motherboards seem to have more modern features at lower costs than the AM3+.. also, AMD seems like theyll be committed to the FM2 longer than the AM3+ which is due to be changed in the next year or two


Specifically about the modo socket. I upgrade on a two (this time) or three (usually) year cycle, and I have ALWAYS needed to upgrade the motherboard. For example, my current board is a AM3 socket, not an AM3+, so I'll need to upgrade it to use a FX chip. I think you may be over estimating your ability to upgrade and keep your motherboard in three years.

The HD7850/560ti would probably work well for you. With a little planning ahead, if you get a board with with 2 PCIe would allow you to add a second for Crossfire/SLI at a later date if you feel the need.

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March 4, 2013 6:39:18 PM

i was actually planning on the motherboard being part of a future upgrade as well, which is why i wasnt planning to spend too much, the FM2 motherboards seem to have more and better features at a lower price range which is one of the reasons i was considering the A10 processor over the FX... with the FM2 i can get two PCI-E slots, USB 3.0 headers on the motherboard, RAM can be overclocked higher, and at about $50 less than an equal AM3+ motherboard

then i was comparing the specs of the A10-5800K and FX-4300 which are almost identicle prices, both based on the piledriver... i have a hard time distinguishing a difference besides the integrated GPU on the A10 which is essentially useless with a 7850 or similar card... but couldnt hurt to have a backup in case something happened to the graphics card
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March 4, 2013 9:58:52 PM

You'll get more performance out of the fx-4300 compared to the A10-5800k. I would like to know what your monitor resolution is. If it's lower than 1080p, a 7850 should be able to max out a good amount of games for a while. If it is 1080p, you would want something higher than a 7850 for the next three years.
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March 4, 2013 11:02:27 PM

If you plan on using linux I know that just about every low end AMD card outperforms the low end Nvidia cards right now. Driver wise AMD is on top for linux right now.
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March 4, 2013 11:12:13 PM

With the 13.2 drivers seemingly fixing the latency issues with the 7000 series cards, I will stick with an AMD card... And I will dual boot Linux and windows 7
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March 5, 2013 12:26:02 AM

jason41987 said:
With the 13.2 drivers seemingly fixing the latency issues with the 7000 series cards, I will stick with an AMD card... And I will dual boot Linux and windows 7


And you also have about ten months (at least) of future driver improvements, since AMD says they HD8xxx won't be out this year.
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March 5, 2013 2:29:28 PM

what kind of motherboard would be recommended at around $100 for the FX-4300?.. and how well do these overclock? as i would be interested in playing around with overclocking

my concern though is if i lower the budget, the 1155 and FM2 motherboards have equivelant features at $50 less than an AM3 motherboard, even if the intel processors cost more for the same performance, the selection in motherboards allows me to pay less for a motherboard and have even more features... so the idea of a budget AM3+ seems to cost more and offer less than an equivelant intel setup when mobo prices are considered, comparing the best chipsets of each.... which is why i was curious about the FM2, but bunchmarks show these dont score nearly as well as FXs and I3s

im looking at the MSI 970 chipset board for $80 though... with the FX-4300 setup it seems id have two PCI-E if i decided to double up on video cards later, but will allow me to overclock the FX-4300 and squeeze some more out of it.. or upgrade to an FX-6300 with the extra $20 saved on the price of the motherboard which does everything an 8350 can do but with two less cores which are barely used anyway... or would i be better served sticking with the 4300 and putting the rest towards the video card?
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March 5, 2013 3:11:58 PM

Well, I have had good luck with Gigabyte motherboards from a price/performance standpoint, but i don't have anything against other brands.

The GIGABYTE GA-970A-D3 AM3+ is $90, has USB 3.0 (but no front headers), but no PCIe 3.0, but right now no AM3+ mobo has PCIe 3.0. I'm sure others will have good recommendations from other brands.

As far as PCIe 3.0 goes, no card really pushes the bandwidth of PCIe 2.0, they can barely saturate 1.1 (and PCIe 3.0 cards will work in PCIe 2.0 slots, I checked) so it isn't necessary right now, in the future, possibly.

For the CPU, I'd get the FX-6300. The amount you save won't get you that much more performance from the GPU and more cores will become more important with the new console generation looming since the PS4 uses an 8 core AMD chip, and the NextBox is rumored to as well.
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March 5, 2013 3:28:20 PM

heres what i have so far for a more budgeted build... let me know what you think

MSI 970A-G46 motherboard - $79.99 @ newegg
AMD FX-4300 - $119.99 @ newegg
MSI R7870-2GDST/OC HD 7870 ghz edition video card - $239.99 @ newegg
rosewill capstone 650w 80 plus gold power supply - $84.99 @ newegg
corsair vengeance 8gb 2x4gb DDR3 1600 RAM - $54.99 @ newegg
cooler master hype 212 evo CPU cooler - $34.99 @ newegg

total with shipping is $620

by time id ever need more RAM, DDR4 should be out, so no point in getting 16 gigs of that.. for $35 more i could get a 750w 80 plus platinum PSU and never need to upgrade that again, or will the 650w be plenty in the future?... i may add another video card, maybe a liquid CPU cooler, not sure
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March 5, 2013 3:46:46 PM

jason41987 said:
MSI 970A-G46 motherboard - $79.99 @ newegg
AMD FX-4300 - $119.99 @ newegg
MSI R7870-2GDST/OC HD 7870 ghz edition video card - $239.99 @ newegg
rosewill capstone 650w 80 plus gold power supply - $84.99 @ newegg
corsair vengeance 8gb 2x4gb DDR3 1600 RAM - $54.99 @ newegg
cooler master hype 212 evo CPU cooler - $34.99 @ newegg


The hardware looks good. Some thoughts on your ending points:

jason41987 said:
by time id ever need more RAM, DDR4 should be out, so no point in getting 16 gigs of that..


One of my personal computer hardware mantras is: "More memory is never a bad/useless thing".

jason41987 said:
for $35 more i could get a 750w 80 plus platinum PSU and never need to upgrade that again, or will the 650w be plenty in the future?... i may add another video card


If you think you may get a second card eventually, a little extra money spent now will save you more later.

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maybe a liquid CPU cooler, not sure


Unless you plan on MAJOR overclocking, the liquid cooling would be overkill. The cooler master should be fine.
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March 5, 2013 4:11:37 PM

so when these next generation consoles come out.. are video game developers going to start making games specifically for 8-core processors?

anyway... i did make some adjustments to the hardware im looking at using... it seems the FX-6300 is a HUGE improvement for a very small increase in price, so i changed to this processor at $139.99

i also changed the power supply to the rosewill capstone 80 plug gold 750w for $109.99... for $10 more i can get a rosewill 750w platinum.. is it worth $10 to get a platinum over a gold?... this along with my tower are parts i dont intend on upgrading for a very long time, so im willing to spend more here
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March 5, 2013 4:21:45 PM

jason41987 said:
so when these next generation consoles come out.. are video game developers going to start making games specifically for 8-core processors?


If developers have any intelligence at all (debatable), and and at least marginally competent programmers (probable), games will not be written for a fixed number of cores. But the software will take advantage of what cores are present, the more the better.


jason41987 said:
anyway... i did make some adjustments to the hardware im looking at using... it seems the FX-6300 is a HUGE improvement for a very small increase in price, so i changed to this processor at $139.99


Good choice.

jason41987 said:
i also changed the power supply to the rosewill capstone 80 plug gold 750w for $109.99... for $10 more i can get a rosewill 750w platinum.. is it worth $10 to get a platinum over a gold?... this along with my tower are parts i dont intend on upgrading for a very long time, so im willing to spend more here


For just $10 more, get the platinum.
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March 5, 2013 6:32:35 PM

i guess one final question then... is an 8320 worth $50 more than an FX-6300?
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March 5, 2013 6:55:20 PM

Yes you will have 8 cores ...and future console ports will use the cores because the consoles have an 8 core processor...
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March 5, 2013 6:56:49 PM

Well i am not sure but looks logical for me
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March 5, 2013 7:02:20 PM

Perhaps not at the moment, however. If you can afford it though why not.
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March 5, 2013 7:11:16 PM

well, i can save money by buying some stuff from newegg, some from tiger direct, saved enough that for only $100 more than the $600 for the budget system i could step up from a 7870 to 7950, from an FX-4300 to an FX-8350, and from a 650w gold to a 750w platinum (though not modular, but the chaser MK-1 case of mine allows me to easily hide all unused cables)...

so... from newegg

saphire HD7950 card - $269.99 after rebate
rosewill fortress 750w platinum PSU - $119.99
corsair vengeance 2x4gb kit - $54.99

from tigerdirect

AMD FX-8350 - $184.99
MSI 970A-G46 motherboard - $69.99 after rebate
coolermaster 212 cooler - $19.99 after rebate

total of under $730 and should last me a couple years longer for a marginal increase of purchase price... in the end actually costing me less.. by time i need to upgrade to this, the AMD excavators, PCI-E 16 3.0, and DDR4 should be at the price points for a comfortable upgrade.. as for USB 3.0, i will just convert my top USB 3.0 ports to USB 2.0 ports... as its not a big deal to not have them up front

as for motherboard brand selection.. i dont want to open some can of worms here... but ive had asus products before (transformer tablet and monitor) and had issues with both that ASUS was a bit of a pain to deal with... makes me cautious about trying their other products.. and i have a gigabyte motherboard now that was supposed to be extra-rugged, however one of the RAM slots seems to be damaged.... i thought about trying biostar, but their red wouldnt match the black and blue of my chaser MK1 case.. so this left me with the MSI brand

if i should try to forget past experiences with asus, and try one of their motherboards, or forget about matching colors and try something like ECS or biostar and theres a better board available vs the selected MSI, or MSI has some kind of reputation im not aware of, id like to know before buying.. and a must-have feature for me is an optical audio output as my only means of audio is through a surround sound system that requires an optical SPDIF input
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March 5, 2013 11:42:11 PM

so you would recommend the gold over the platinum at $10 less so long as its the capstone series?.. for $119.99 i could get the platinum i mentioned before, or a modular capstone PSU... is modular worth the extra $10 over the PSU you posted?
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March 5, 2013 11:52:03 PM

jason41987 said:
so you would recommend the gold over the platinum at $10 less so long as its the capstone series?.. for $119.99 i could get the platinum i mentioned before, or a modular capstone PSU... is modular worth the extra $10 over the PSU you posted?

I like modular PSUs for the neatness, but you've already said that isn't a problem with your case...
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March 6, 2013 12:02:44 AM

Modular is definitely worth it, it will really help out with cable management no matter how experienced you are. Here's the 750w capstone modular one. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This one is better than the one you had, for the same price you get modular and gold instead of platinum. 80+ Gold is good too, not that much off from platinum.

If you don't care about neatness in your case, getting the non-modular 750w capstone to save $10 is fine if you really don't care.
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March 6, 2013 12:56:22 AM

well the case i have has passages to behind the motherboard to hide all cabling behind the motherboard on the other side of the case.. though, having modular allows me to easily replace damaged cables later on should anything happen to them, and looking at a power supply i want to last for a rather long time, modular is probably the way to go then...

hows the rosewill tachyon series stack up to the capstone?
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March 6, 2013 1:08:59 AM

Even if you have cabling behind the motherboard, it might be really hard to get all the cables hidden. Having all those cables behind the motherboard is challenging or impossible for some cases because the there just isn't enough room. The capstone is made by a better manufacturer, therefore it's more reliable. The tachyon is just as good as the capstone.
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March 6, 2013 2:10:51 AM

if the tachyon is just as good as the capstone, and i get the platinum modular 750w tachyon, would the platinum rating pay off the extra $20 in the life of the PSU in energy savings?
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March 6, 2013 2:26:22 AM

It sure would take a while...as in at least a couple years.
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March 6, 2013 7:32:53 PM

noticed the tachyon dropped about $10 from when i looked last, and has a $15 rebate on it.. so i went with the tachyon 750w platinum modular PSU... with everything else listed above.. the 8350, saphire 7950, 8 gigs corsair vengeance, 212 cooler, and the MSI board... placed an order for newegg and tiger direct

also picked up a new wired xbox controller as well and ill be reusing my 500-gig hard drive... havent filled it up yet so i think its plenty
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