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January 15, 2013 8:26:14 PM

Hi guys,
I'd like to know which graphic card would be better for me as i want a card who will last long and be good for future modern games. I play games like bf3, arma, metro 2033, planetside 2, skyrim etc. My monitor is 1600x900 and my build contain an i3-3220 and 8 gb of 1600 ram. I want a clear answer please .
My friend said warranty/service/drivers suck on ati cards but others say ati is better than nvidia
These are the card i want:

Gigabyte 7950 (283$): http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11830BD3894

Gigabyte 660 ti OC (267$): http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11830BD8287&v...

Thanks

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a b U Graphics card
January 15, 2013 9:56:44 PM

I couldn't find a chart for the Gigabyte version, but the ASUS Direct CU II is close enough.











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a b U Graphics card
January 15, 2013 10:08:14 PM
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a b U Graphics card
January 15, 2013 10:12:22 PM

You didn't mention that you plan to overclock it, and the 12.11 drivers haven't been released yet.
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January 15, 2013 10:13:51 PM

These are old benchmarks.

After the 12.11 driver AMD cards are much better.
http://www.techspot.com/review/603-best-graphics-cards/...

As you can see, the 7950 beats the 660 ti and is quite close to the 670 in bf3 at 1080p with AA.
The 7950 boost is higher than the 670. If you take overclocking into account, the 7950 is better by far (the 7950 should easily overclock higher than the 7950 boost edition).
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a b U Graphics card
January 15, 2013 10:16:21 PM

omnisome said:
You didn't mention that you plan to overclock it, and the 12.11 drivers haven't been released yet.

ok no but it is in very deep beta(believe 10th release of the beta and it enhances the cards so much.


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January 15, 2013 10:34:12 PM

immortals44 said:
Hi guys,
I'd like to know which graphic card would be better for me as i want a card who will last long and be good for future modern games. I play games like bf3, arma, metro 2033, planetside 2, skyrim etc. My monitor is 1600x900 and my build contain an i3-3220 and 8 gb of 1600 ram. I want a clear answer please .
My friend said warranty/service/drivers suck on ati cards but others say ati is better than nvidia
These are the card i want:

Gigabyte 7950 (283$): http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11830BD3894

Gigabyte 660 ti OC (267$): http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11830BD8287&v...

Thanks


when all is said and done, both cards give equal performance for their cost. people can debate about drivers, specific games and overclocking until the cows come home

any warranty/service issue would be dependant on the gpu but the manufacturer ie gigabyte, MSI, asus ect, so its rather erronous to place blame on either camp for those problems. bottom line is you get what you pay for; since you are looking at two gigabyte cards i would believe the quality of warranty and service would be the same.

AMD has a not so stellar of a reputation for the drivers they have put out in the past but have gotten much better in the last 3 or so months. but i really don't think they need the PR campain that has been going on lately. nVidia has also beeen releasing drivers that enhance the performance of keplar rather steady in the meantime also.

so its up to you, with two things to consider, if you want raw performance and a wide memory bus because your using multi monitor or high MSAA of 8x or more than the 7950 is better. but if you have a single monitor (and i see that it is lower in resolution) and like to tweak settings with TXAA and multigrid super sampling in Nvidia inspector than the 660ti is a great choice.
<stirring the pot>
in the meantime, i wanna see if someone wants to meantion latency . . :lol: 
</stirring the pot>
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a b U Graphics card
January 15, 2013 10:37:56 PM

the 7950 is a 670 competitor not the 660ti
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a b U Graphics card
January 15, 2013 10:50:27 PM

BigMack70 said:
How do you reckon that, given that the 7950 and 660ti perform about the same at stock and are priced about the same?




Ever heard of bang for the buck?? You forget that the kepler cards have autoboost...so there is nothing stock about that correct? Potential my friend potential!! Overclocking is your friend!
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a b U Graphics card
January 15, 2013 11:30:50 PM

BigMack70 said:
Well duh the 7950 is the better card for someone interested in overclocking... but there's lots of people completely uninterested in that.

I'd wager there's as many people who get all hot and bothered about PhysX as there are that want to overclock their card.



The thing is Physx is a joke and overclocking is not!
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a b U Graphics card
January 15, 2013 11:57:17 PM

BigMack70 said:
Well obviously I agree but I don't think we're an overwhelming majority of consumers...



whatever... agreed!
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a c 160 U Graphics card
January 16, 2013 12:10:42 AM

BigMack70 said:
I seriously don't think people know how to use the search function anymore.. there's at least a dozen copies of this topic made every day and every time it's filled with the exact same set of responses.

It's just silliness at this point.


I was just about to say that exact thing BigMack, I always find you in these threads too, lol... It seems no one is able to google anymore.
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a c 160 U Graphics card
January 16, 2013 12:13:45 AM

@Redeemer. They are closely match at stock. Period, there are points for and againts the AMD. I prefer the AMD, but that does not apply to all.

We have discussed this before. LOL!
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January 16, 2013 12:26:11 AM

AMDs drivers have gotten much better lately, they used to be terrible. And the 7950 is a more powerful card that's actually supposed to be more in line with a 670

edit: But the 7950 did have that microstuttering problem brought up recently, but AMD said they are already working on a driver update, I'm not sure if it's a major deal though.
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2013 12:29:50 AM

BigMack70 said:
I'd wager there's as many people who get all hot and bothered about PhysX as there are that want to overclock their card.

Moving a slider in Afterburner is a serious business...
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a c 160 U Graphics card
January 16, 2013 12:29:52 AM

CMac019 said:
AMDs drivers have gotten much better lately, they used to be terrible. And the 7950 is a more powerful card that's actually supposed to be more in line with a 670


When OCd its true that it can outperform a GTX670.
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January 16, 2013 1:06:00 AM

If i don't plan on overclocking ( cause i don't want to blow up my computer cause its my first) and that the 660 ti is already overclocked... Which on will give best fps, will last longer and will handle coming game better? I want it to max games for 2-3 years.

Edit: does i3 enough to play mp games like bf3 and incoming quad core games?
Or should i get an i5 and downgrade the gpu
(Please don't answer by something else/benchmark :)  i saw all of them already)
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2013 1:29:04 AM

Novuake said:
@Redeemer. They are closely match at stock. Period, there are points for and againts the AMD. I prefer the AMD, but that does not apply to all.

We have discussed this before. LOL!



LOL dude how is it stock when there is autoboost?? So you mean its fine to compare a stock 7950 to an autoboosted 660ti??

done to death this is lol!
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2013 1:32:36 AM

immortals44 said:
If i don't plan on overclocking ( cause i don't want to blow up my computer cause its my first) and that the 660 ti is already overclocked... Which on will give best fps, will last longer and will handle coming game better? I want it to max games for 2-3 years.

Edit: does i3 enough to play mp games like bf3 and incoming quad core games?
Or should i get an i5 and downgrade the gpu
(Please don't answer by something else/benchmark :)  i saw all of them already)



a 660ti for your need will be fine, next time use the search function because its like a rerun in here and everyone seems to be pissed lol!
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January 16, 2013 1:41:59 AM

immortals44 said:
Hi guys,
I'd like to know which graphic card would be better for me as i want a card who will last long and be good for future modern games. I play games like bf3, arma, metro 2033, planetside 2, skyrim etc. My monitor is 1600x900 and my build contain an i3-3220 and 8 gb of 1600 ram. I want a clear answer please .
My friend said warranty/service/drivers suck on ati cards but others say ati is better than nvidia
These are the card i want:

Gigabyte 7950 (283$): http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11830BD3894

Gigabyte 660 ti OC (267$): http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11830BD8287&v...

Thanks


Really it come down to what you going to use the card for
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/550?vs=647
Will have been more helpful if i knew what game or what you going to do with the card
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a c 160 U Graphics card
January 16, 2013 1:46:25 AM

redeemer said:
LOL dude how is it stock when there is autoboost?? So you mean its fine to compare a stock 7950 to an autoboosted 660ti??

done to death this is lol!


Chill dude. Look all benches with an "autoboost" GTX is what I am talking about. A GTX660ti is stock if you take the autoboost into account. You can't say it has been OCd. Since the reviews take the boost into account, why are you complaining?

I do see where you are coming from but you can't say not to compare them if that is what you HAVE to do for people who are not interested in OCing.
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January 16, 2013 1:48:47 AM

Benchmarks using the latest drivers. Regarding the 7950 vs the 660 ti.....the 7950 can beat out the 660 ti while using higher AA settings.

In addition to this, these benchmarks show 7950's at stock clocks. The large overclocking headroom of the 7050 should increase its lead even further.

From HardOCP - "The most interesting stand out from this evaluation has been the NVIDIA GTX 660 Ti, which is priced significantly higher than the Radeon HD 7870 while turning in similar performance numbers. The GTX 660 Ti has lost its value at this point in time, lending way to the Radeon HD 7950 which has benefited from falling prices and new drivers."



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a c 160 U Graphics card
January 16, 2013 2:11:47 AM

jdw_swb said:
Benchmarks using the latest drivers. Regarding the 7950 vs the 660 ti.....the 7950 can beat out the 660 ti while using higher AA settings.

From HardOCP - "The most interesting stand out from this evaluation has been the NVIDIA GTX 660 Ti, which is priced significantly higher than the Radeon HD 7870 while turning in similar performance numbers. The GTX 660 Ti has lost its value at this point in time, lending way to the Radeon HD 7950 which has benefited from falling prices and new drivers."

http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1352691741F74TQBhKZT_4_1.gif

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/images/bf3_1920_1200.gif


Nice find.
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a c 117 U Graphics card
January 16, 2013 6:25:45 AM

jdw_swb said:
Benchmarks using the latest drivers. Regarding the 7950 vs the 660 ti.....the 7950 can beat out the 660 ti while using higher AA settings.

In addition to this, these benchmarks show 7950's at stock clocks. The large overclocking headroom of the 7050 should increase its lead even further.

From HardOCP - "The most interesting stand out from this evaluation has been the NVIDIA GTX 660 Ti, which is priced significantly higher than the Radeon HD 7870 while turning in similar performance numbers. The GTX 660 Ti has lost its value at this point in time, lending way to the Radeon HD 7950 which has benefited from falling prices and new drivers."

http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1352691741F74TQBhKZT_4_1.gif

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/images/bf3_1920_1200.gif

ahem.

both articles are 3 months old . . .
version patch date: 10-11-2012 (?)
AMD Catalyst 12.11 Performance Analysis Oct 22nd 2012
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oh, and thats a 7950 boost edition, not "stock" . .
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January 16, 2013 9:40:07 AM

Anonymous said:
ahem.

both articles are 3 months old . . .
version patch date: 10-11-2012 (?)
AMD Catalyst 12.11 Performance Analysis Oct 22nd 2012
:heink: 
oh, and thats a 7950 boost edition, not "stock" . .


Nope, the Hard OCP article is from November 12th.

The 7950 boost version is still much slower than an overclocked 7950.
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January 16, 2013 10:04:59 AM

jdw_swb said:
Nope, the Hard OCP article is from November 12th.

The 7950 boost version is still much slower than an overclocked 7950.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/11/12/fall_2012_gpu...

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Drivers

For the AMD based cards we are using the Catalyst 12.11 Beta 6 driver which was released after October 23rd, 2012 and the latest CAP.

For the NVIDIA based cards, we are using the ForceWare 310.33 Beta driver which was released on October 23rd, 2012.

jesus! the drivers were old even for the review . .feh.

ah, there are now Catalyst 12.11 beta 11 and ForceWare 310.70 WHQL . . . like i said before, people can talk about drivers, which change at a blink of an eye, and overclocking, which is not guaranteed, until the cows come home. those are two variables that constantly change.
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January 16, 2013 10:15:12 AM

Anonymous said:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/11/12/fall_2012_gpu...

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Drivers

For the AMD based cards we are using the Catalyst 12.11 Beta 6 driver which was released after October 23rd, 2012 and the latest CAP.

For the NVIDIA based cards, we are using the ForceWare 310.33 Beta driver which was released on October 23rd, 2012.

jesus! the drivers were old even for the review . .feh.

ah, there are now Catalyst 12.11 beta 11 and ForceWare 310.70 WHQL . . . like i said before, people can talk about drivers, which change at a blink of an eye, and overclocking, which is not guaranteed, until the cows come home. those are two variables that constantly change.



Is there a single 7950 that doesn't OC to 1050-1100?

Those values are always achieved by 7950 users.
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January 16, 2013 10:17:07 AM

jdw_swb said:
Benchmarks using the latest drivers. Regarding the 7950 vs the 660 ti.....the 7950 can beat out the 660 ti while using higher AA settings.

In addition to this, these benchmarks show 7950's at stock clocks. The large overclocking headroom of the 7050 should increase its lead even further.

From HardOCP - "The most interesting stand out from this evaluation has been the NVIDIA GTX 660 Ti, which is priced significantly higher than the Radeon HD 7870 while turning in similar performance numbers. The GTX 660 Ti has lost its value at this point in time, lending way to the Radeon HD 7950 which has benefited from falling prices and new drivers."

http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1352691741F74TQBhKZT_4_1.gif

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/images/bf3_1920_1200.gif

Those hardocp benchmarks are of highest playable setting not apples to apples.They are using old geforce driver.Current one gives huge boost to BF3.
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January 16, 2013 10:19:58 AM

BigMack70 said:
While overclocking is of course never a guarantee, it's pretty significant that the average core overclock on a 7950 is nearly 1150 MHz. For someone interested in overclocking, it would be downright silly to take a 660ti over a 7950.

You know this right that 90 percent of people buying gpu runs at stock speed.Handful of guys coming in forum to ask about OC is minority.Not to forget still no compnay RMA your card for OC damage.They just say its OC friendly but they don't give warranty.
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a c 117 U Graphics card
January 16, 2013 10:33:44 AM

jdw_swb said:
Is there a single 7950 that doesn't OC to 1050-1100?

Those values are always achieved by 7950 users.

why yes, yes i can find one (and now two).

Nov 28, 2012
Maximum Overclock Comparison

ASUS HD 7950 DC II Max. GPU Clock 1000 MHz

and the MSI HD 7950 TF III 1020 MHz that is listed under the ASUS in the table . . shall i find more?
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January 16, 2013 10:39:42 AM

Anonymous said:
why yes, yes i can find one (and now two).

Nov 28, 2012
Maximum Overclock Comparison

ASUS HD 7950 DC II Max. GPU Clock 1000 MHz

and the MSI HD 7950 TF III 1020 MHz that is listed under the ASUS in the table . . shall i find more?


And regardless of all this, the 7950 is faster than the 660ti. Stock vs stock....OC vs OC.
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January 16, 2013 10:46:18 AM

jdw_swb said:
And regardless of all this, the 7950 is faster than the 660ti. Stock vs stock....OC vs OC.


















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January 16, 2013 11:01:29 AM
January 16, 2013 11:04:22 AM

Look, I can cherry pick tables and graphs from websites too.







:pfff:  :pfff:  :pfff: 

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January 16, 2013 11:10:40 AM

The following benchmarks use the latest drivers for both 7950 and 660 ti.

Here we can see the 7950 is able to remain playable at higher settings while the 660 ti competes more with the 7870.



Once again, the 660 ti has features turned off to keep the pace.



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a c 117 U Graphics card
January 16, 2013 11:11:00 AM


and despite those, to use the conclusion:
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Armed with that info, we can dispense with the talk about game bundles, rebates, and pricing shenanigans that might shift the value math in favor of one camp or another. Instead, we have a crystal clear recommendation of the GeForce GTX 660 Ti over the Radeon HD 7950 for this winter's crop of blockbuster games. Perhaps AMD will smooth out some of the rough patches in later driver releases, but the games we've tested are already on the market—and Nvidia undeniably delivers the better experience in them, overall.

http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-ge...


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January 16, 2013 11:17:44 AM

Anonymous said:
and despite those, to use the conclusion:
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Armed with that info, we can dispense with the talk about game bundles, rebates, and pricing shenanigans that might shift the value math in favor of one camp or another. Instead, we have a crystal clear recommendation of the GeForce GTX 660 Ti over the Radeon HD 7950 for this winter's crop of blockbuster games. Perhaps AMD will smooth out some of the rough patches in later driver releases, but the games we've tested are already on the market—and Nvidia undeniably delivers the better experience in them, overall.

http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-ge...


Yes, you have found 1 site that recommends the 660 ti........yet other popular hardware sites such as Tom's Hardware and Hard OCP still continue to show the 7950's dominance in the latest games and are happy to recommend it as their first choice.


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a c 117 U Graphics card
January 16, 2013 11:18:07 AM

jdw_swb said:
The following benchmarks use the latest drivers for both 7950 and 660 ti.

Here we can see the 7950 is able to remain playable at higher settings while the 660 ti competes more with the 7870.

http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1355966357333LikoxjM_3_4.gif

Once again, the 660 ti has features turned off to keep the pace.

http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1355517972SmtzmJYEeY_5_1.gif


oh? the 7950 gets beat by a 7870 AND 660ti? hhhmmmmmm

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January 16, 2013 11:24:36 AM

Anonymous said:
oh? the 7950 gets beat by a 7870 AND 660ti? hhhmmmmmm
http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1355966357333LikoxjM_3_4.gif
:lol: 


Your comprehension of those tables is laughable at best...and embarrassing at worst.

The 7950 has 4xaa while the 660 ti could not deliver acceptable fps at that level so it has 0xaa.

In fact....the 7870 only has 3 less average fps despite using 2xaa.

:pt1cable: 


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a c 117 U Graphics card
January 16, 2013 11:36:15 AM

jdw_swb said:
Your comprehension of those tables is laughable at best...and embarrassing at worst.

The 7950 has 4xaa while the 660 ti could not deliver acceptable fps at that level so it has 0xaa.

In fact....the 7870 only has 3 less average fps despite using 2xaa.

:pt1cable: 


ih i fully understand those tables esp, using 2560x1600 resolution, which is popular . .NOT.

your ignorance of TXAA and using nVidia inspector for SGAA as opposed to MSAA makes any further discussoin just slightly more than amusing. you made some erroneous statements as far as "latest" drivers along with "minium" overclocking and posted some irrelant benchmarks @ 2560x1600.

if the 660ti wasn't any good, then why did AMD update the bios for the boost in the 7950 and drop the prices?

gee, and there still is a lag issue i haven't yet brought forth . . .
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January 16, 2013 11:43:10 AM

Anonymous said:
ih i fully understand those tables .


You clearly demonstrated that you didn't understand them by asking me why the 7870 and the 660 ti got higher fps than the 7950.
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a c 117 U Graphics card
January 16, 2013 11:59:30 AM

jdw_swb said:
You clearly demonstrated that you didn't understand them by asking me why the 7870 and the 660 ti got higher fps than the 7950.

no, wasn't asking anything. but you now clearly demostrate a miscomprhension of sarcasm.

good luck with that and in the meantime take care.
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January 16, 2013 12:09:47 PM

Anonymous said:
no, wasn't asking anything. but you now clearly demostrate a miscomprhension of sarcasm.

good luck with that and in the meantime take care.


No, you thought you had picked up a mistake in my choice of data and graphs. Once I had pointed out your mistake, you backed up and claimed it was sarcasm.
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a c 117 U Graphics card
January 16, 2013 12:31:06 PM

jdw_swb said:
No, you thought you had picked up a mistake in my choice of data and graphs. Once I had pointed out your mistake, you backed up and claimed it was sarcasm.

ok, if you say so, since everything you posted has been proven a fact, have at it.



















oh so there is no mistake

/SARCASM


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January 16, 2013 12:47:55 PM

Anonymous said:
ok, if you say so, since everything you posted has been proven a fact, have at it.

oh so there is no mistake

/SARCASM


- flag deleted.


You have posted data that contradicts what I have said....as have I with you.

There truly is no end to this beyond degenerating into petty insults and sarcastic comments (which really never come across that well in written form).

In an attempt to find some resolution to what we are debating I will state that neither the 660 ti nor the 7950 is a bad choice relative to their respective prices or even when compared to each other.

Given the nature of driver releases and bugs associated with new games, any one of these two cards can come out on top depending on the specific circumstances.

At present, as you pointed out earlier, there are some issues with frame latency, however they are not noticeable to the majority of 79xx users. Also, AMD have stated they recognize this and will work on it for the next driver release.

Anyways, I thank you for the persistent and informed nature of your debating and look forward to seeing your comments in other threads (where we will no doubt disagree again :lol:  ).
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a c 160 U Graphics card
January 16, 2013 2:28:34 PM

The relevance of the TechReport article is not a comprehensive as you seem to think...
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January 16, 2013 2:57:01 PM

Best answer selected by immortals44.
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