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Best [Nvidia] GPU on the cheap

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January 16, 2013 2:42:41 PM

Looking for a cheap gpu (under 200, preferably as cheap as I possibly can), but I need NVIDIA since I'm going to be using it nearly exclusivaly for CS6, which uses the CUDA acceleration. I was thinking of getting the gtx 560 448 for $170 on newegg on sale, but the deal ended. Should I get a normal 560? WHat about the newer gtx 650s or a 550? I don't need the best gaming preformance (Mainly play tf2, cs:s, l4d, portal)

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January 16, 2013 2:46:43 PM

You can get the 650 TI for around $150-$170... or if you can bump your budget slightly get a GTX 660 for ~$210... the GTX 660 is about 30%-50% more powerful than the GTX 650 Ti.
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January 16, 2013 2:50:23 PM

dont get a 650 since you cant sli i would get a gtx 660 since you can always sli later and have about equivalent of a 680
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January 16, 2013 2:52:55 PM

i would either spend the extra few bucks for a 660, or get a 650ti which is about 40 ish bucks cheaper then the 660 which is 200-230
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January 16, 2013 2:57:38 PM

Ok I think ill get the 660 then. Do you think my power supply will work with it? Its a POS 3 year old dell (xps 7100 i think, phenom ii x4 830 processor, I thin integrated graphics or something) The psu is 460watts i think
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January 16, 2013 3:08:36 PM

qzyxya said:
Ok I think ill get the 660 then. Do you think my power supply will work with it? Its a POS 3 year old dell (xps 7100 i think, phenom ii x4 830 processor, I thin integrated graphics or something) The psu is 460watts i think

Eww probably not... but you will have to give us the PSU model number for us to tell you for sure.
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a c 180 U Graphics card
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January 16, 2013 3:10:50 PM

Get new psu
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a c 133 U Graphics card
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January 16, 2013 3:43:15 PM

If your power supply is a non quality unit I would definitely as others have said change that cards don't run well on poor quality units just like cars don't run well on empty :) 


Agreed with others I would get the 650Ti as a start and would recommend a GTX660 or 7850 as the cards to use if you want to get decent settings and frames.

I've outline only 2 gigabyte cards with this pcpartpicker listing. This outlines the cheapest prices for the 650Ti, 660, and 7850.
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/#r=2048&sort=a...
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January 16, 2013 3:46:50 PM

bigshootr8 said:
If your power supply is a non quality unit I would definitely as others have said change that cards don't run well on poor quality units just like cars don't run well on empty :) 


Agreed with others I would get the 650Ti as a start and would recommend a GTX660 or 7850 as the cards to use if you want to get decent settings and frames.

I've outline only 2 gigabyte cards with this pcpartpicker listing. This outlines the cheapest prices for the 650Ti, 660, and 7850.
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/#r=2048&sort=a...


Err well 7850 should be taken out of the list due to the fact that he needs the CUDAs as he has stated in his post.
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January 16, 2013 3:48:32 PM

He can also use open Opencl as well but point taken. I just placed it in there for comparison sake. :) 
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January 16, 2013 4:22:47 PM

Yeah, I wish I could use opencl but its only for macs as of now (stupid nvidia bribing all of the companies to optomize their software for them... :/ ). Otherwise I'd get a 7870 or something
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January 16, 2013 4:31:21 PM

If the Dell 460 is one of the 80+ (or 80+ bronze) ones, it is decent. The corsair V2 Builder was made by CWT, not Seasonic, using some inferior Samxon capacitors from a line known to experience early failure. Rosewill Capstone or Hive, or Seasonic GX would be better, relatively inexpensive choices.
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January 16, 2013 4:38:53 PM

Normally with retail computers If I had one I would take the power supply out and replace it with something more built with quality. I have a AX850 its pretty overkill I have a GTX670 but at the time I had purchased the power supply it was between that and the AX1200 watt at there top of the line which is beyond what anyone really needs at this point.

I agree with onus though. I'm not to keen on purchasing Rosewill product but I'm sure if you were to purchase there higher end product lines that you would have a easier time with the quality. And Seasonic (oem or from the brand) will get praises all around the forums.
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January 16, 2013 4:46:40 PM

Well htis is annoying, I tried to open up the case to see waht the serial number and everything was, and its like bolted shut somehow and I cant open it... -________-
Maybe I can pry it off or something, but it looks like its just not meant to be opened
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January 16, 2013 4:48:04 PM

Rosewill's new PSUs are mostly made by Super Flower, and have received competent technical reviews from HardwareSecrets and JonnyGuru, possibly others.
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January 16, 2013 4:57:49 PM

As it may be you normally would think of them as the cheap of the cheap computer component wise.

Also I'm sorry your case is hard for you to open. There is probably a way some cases have other ways of opening levers for example.
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January 16, 2013 8:42:42 PM

Actually how would a ASus DCII gtx560 ($140) compare to a gtx650 ti or a 660?
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January 16, 2013 8:56:12 PM

Well what about in terms of cuda preformance? Would I see an actual boost in that? Does anyone have experience with cs6 with these?
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January 16, 2013 9:03:52 PM

I saw this article and it said between the gtx285 and the 670 it was only a 18% difference, lol. The gtx650 or 560 are better than the 285 right? Either way though, the cheaper crappy card with the acceleration was far better than just the cpu alone (it was like 38 minutes cpu only and 12 minutes with acceleration. So would the gtx650 or the 560 be better? And If I can't get a new power supply, what should I do, would anything work with it? I know the higher customization is a phenom x6 1100t (and some graphics card that comes with it, i think an older version of the 6870, like the 5870 or something) so it can run those. (all the same 460w psu). I'll try to get in the case tonight. Thx for the help so far guys.
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January 16, 2013 9:06:12 PM

To my knowledge on windows machines cuda is the way to go with adobe programs. On a Apple machine there is more support with the AMD Opencl however with the newer Apples coming to market they will be using 680M's. The 500 series is stronger with CUDA computing performance.
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January 16, 2013 9:09:02 PM

Yea there is no way in hell that the 285 and the 670 are that low in difference. The GTX670 would run laps around that card. The 650Ti and the 560 are yes and if you can get the 560Ti with the 448 cores its barely under a 570 :)  With a strong power supply you could toss anything at it yes a 550 or 650 would be sufficient within reason mind you no 7970's, 670's, 680's however below that any GPU and any processor.
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January 16, 2013 11:00:06 PM

^Well it is on just acceleration in premiere, not full out gpu preformance, lol in gaming the 670 would probably crush the 285.

What about the processor and motherboard? I can check out to see which exact numbers, but would they work decently? The thing is really old and I've been using my laptop mostly or my friends computer. I believe it's a phenom ii 830 or 840 quad core. It was 2.8ghz i believe.

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January 16, 2013 11:02:09 PM

Wow on this chart the 570 preforms better than the 660 and the 560, I guess those extra 448 cores really do make a difference. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU12/478
Its a bummer they've stopped being made or whatever, I should have jumped on that $169.99 deal.
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January 16, 2013 11:40:37 PM

I would expect the 570 to do better then the middle grade cards yes. I wouldn't touch beyond a 660 or 660Ti unless you had something like a 2500k or a 3570k (of course there are exceptions the i5 2400 or the i5 3470) or on the amd side the higher end chips mainly because of the processors not having enough power behind it to drive things. Quad core processors will be more ideal for the higher end chips essentially.
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January 17, 2013 12:07:50 AM

Ok. I've been looking into different gtx650 tis, and they look good. They can run most games at ~40 fps on 1080p high which is fine for me, plus ill be doing mostly video editing. Do you know which 650 ti is the best? The gigabyte? The evga? Zotac !amp? I think the amp one looks good since the memory is clocked higher (1550 vs 1350mhz i think).
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January 17, 2013 12:11:35 AM

Well out of those I would go with EVGA because of there reliability and there warranty however I'm not sure if it extends out of country. Its hard to say beyond that point I like my gigabyte card hate there service. And I haven't done anything with zotac although I hear they are okay they aren't bad cards. So maybe EVGA<zotac<gigabyte.
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January 17, 2013 12:21:05 AM

What about the clock speed thing, does that really matter? Or can I just overclock it and change that my self?
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January 17, 2013 12:28:19 AM

Also 1gb or 2gb?
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January 17, 2013 1:04:19 AM

So i got the case open tonight (after struggling with it for about an hour lol), and I figued out that the power supply is just a generic pos chinese 460 watt psu, the motherboard has 4 ram slots, 2 occupied with 2gb in each (I'll probably just get 2 4gb sticks and put them in the 2 empty slots, for 10gb total, or just 8gb). The graphics card is dedicated, or at least is a physical thing not built into the mobo. I couldn't get the name of it, but sadly it is attached to the motherboard itself (See photos below)




So it looks like the graphics card is like built into the motherboard somehow, I dont think I can get another one to fit in there... :( 
I think I could get a new power supply, probably a seasonic 550watt gold certified one my friend got for his build that was only $60, or another one maybe (recomendations), but I doint know about the graphics card. Will I have to get a new motherboard? :??: 

I'm pretty sure the processor is a amd phenom 830, is that any good? I could possibly upgrade cpu to like a 955 or a newe fx 8 core or something (probably would need a new motherboard for that actually... :/ 


Which parts do you think of my build would be worth keeping (As in for the next build)? The hard drive, possibly the processor, the case no, the gpu, no, the motherboard, no. Do you think i can upgrade the gpu with this motherboard?
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January 17, 2013 1:16:12 AM

I have the GTX 560 Ti and I think it's better than the 650 Ti and 550 Ti. I can get 30 Fps on assassin's creed at 1080p
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January 17, 2013 2:45:25 AM

Yes the 560Ti is stronger then a 650Ti. I would not upgrade to a chip without knowing if you can.

Going through my instructional pictures you can download CPU-Z to verify all your CPU/motherboard information.

http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
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January 17, 2013 2:51:06 AM

When I purchased my old 560Ti's they were in the mid 200 range. So 100 dollar is a steal now you don't know if the cards are in good condition so I would go in being careful on pulling the trigger.
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January 17, 2013 3:28:49 AM

Yep. That's a good deal but the quality of the card is what I am concerned about. It might have been OC'd , I mean you'll never know. If there is a way you could check the quality first, that would be great
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January 17, 2013 5:26:15 AM

When I sold my GTX560Ti's I had a extended warranty that I told the person I had I had not overclocked the card and I supplied all the packaging and contents that came with the card originally you won't normally get that from a used card.
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January 17, 2013 11:04:04 AM

Hmm. What do you guys think of the motherboard? Do they normally look like that with the built in slot thing for the gpu? It looks like it was specifically made for this specific graphics card and processor and all, but idk.
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January 17, 2013 12:51:17 PM

What if I get
New case ($50 - maybe a zalman z9, haf 912, rosewill challenger or something)
New psu ($50-100 ish not sure on this, i was thinking a seasonic gold certified 550w for $80 bucks, or something else idk
Keep the mobo and cpu and hdd and all

New gpu - should I get the 560 ti and the nsave money for a new cpu/mobo (I was thinking a fx8320 or save up for a 3770k for $230 on newegg)
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January 17, 2013 1:45:12 PM

qzyxya said:
Hmm. What do you guys think of the motherboard? Do they normally look like that with the built in slot thing for the gpu? It looks like it was specifically made for this specific graphics card and processor and all, but idk.

I'm not really sure what you mean... make sure the screw is taken out of the video card where it attaches to the case... and there is a little white plastic tab at the base of the card on the motherboard(far end from where it connects to the back of your case) pull the tab up... then pull the card out.
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January 17, 2013 2:39:26 PM

Derza10 said:
I'm not really sure what you mean... make sure the screw is taken out of the video card where it attaches to the case... and there is a little white plastic tab at the base of the card on the motherboard(far end from where it connects to the back of your case) pull the tab up... then pull the card out.


And I can plug in any other card into this? Just checking that a 560 ti or a 660 or somethign will fit into it. Im just over paranoid taht it wont fit or something.
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January 17, 2013 2:45:52 PM

qzyxya said:
And I can plug in any other card into this? Just checking that a 560 ti or a 660 or somethign will fit into it. Im just over paranoid taht it wont fit or something.

Yes you can... just make sure you have a PSU with the 6 pin connectors you need, as well as enough AMPs on the 12v rail.
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January 17, 2013 2:50:40 PM

Derza10 said:
Yes you can... just make sure you have a PSU with the 6 pin connectors you need, as well as enough AMPs on the 12v rail.

How do I see how many amps I have on the 12v rail?
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a b U Graphics card
January 17, 2013 2:53:10 PM

qzyxya said:
How do I see how many amps I have on the 12v rail?


It will tell you on the sticker on the side of your PSU.
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January 17, 2013 5:12:57 PM

Someone just linked me to this corsair cx430, its only $25!! And it has great reviews. I think I'm going to get a new case and go with that, unless there is a major problem with it?
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a b U Graphics card
January 17, 2013 5:49:37 PM

Nope, nothing wrong with that PSU and will work perfectly fine with a gtx 660.
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