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March 8, 2013 3:12:00 AM

From my observations and the feedback of other users, most of the build lists I've posted have been well-received and helpful but it seems graphics cards are not my strongest area of knowledge.

I put together the following build list on NewEgg as a solid gamer under $1000.
I'm curious what people would change on it and why (keeping price where it is), mostly regarding the chosen graphics card, but overall parts selection.

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...

Thanks for your input.

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a b U Graphics card
March 8, 2013 3:32:04 AM

I would drop the expensive SSD for a conventional hard drive , and a 40 - 60 gig SSD to use a s a cache drive . You'd have almost all of the performance, much more storage and save yourself enough to include a 7870 in the budget

Id also use Win 8 . Once you have nuked metro and installed a start button its a better OS , and it has a much better license which lets you transfer it to a new computer when you want to
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March 8, 2013 4:08:05 AM

i suggest buying from a second/third store also to get the best out of your money.

I suggest(from experience) Newegg, NCIX, and Amazon which i had an easy returns with and RMAs

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 56.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($47.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($101.97 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($234.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($91.17 @ Amazon)
Total: $1022.04
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-08 01:06 EST-0500)

if you are not planning on SLI/CFX, i recommend you to drop it down to a locked i5+H77 board. If you do plan on SLI/CFX you can upgrade PSU later to a 750W or jump to the 750W right now to save money in the future.
a b U Graphics card
March 8, 2013 4:35:33 AM

I'd drop the SSD (don't get me started on Intel drives :non:  ) and for $1K with OS you can definitely get a better GPU. Also ditch the low voltage RAM. You need 1.5V for Ivy Bridge. Try this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($269.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($74.64 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($21.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1041.54
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-08 01:35 EST-0500)
March 8, 2013 4:52:56 AM

I just thought the XT would be better for the price overall because it is not that far behind the 7950
a b U Graphics card
March 8, 2013 4:59:25 AM

Outlander_04 said:
I would drop the expensive SSD for a conventional hard drive , and a 40 - 60 gig SSD to use a s a cache drive . You'd have almost all of the performance, much more storage and save yourself enough to include a 7870 in the budget

Id also use Win 8 . Once you have nuked metro and installed a start button its a better OS , and it has a much better license which lets you transfer it to a new computer when you want to



Would agree with every thing except for nuking metro. Give Windows 8 five minutes and you will find that you can navigate Windows 8 like a pro and you will find that everything is faster in Windows 8 than the Start Menu ever was in Windows 7.

For the price of that intel SSD you can get a 3tb HDD that will offer you much more storage than you can get from that SSD alone. I can tell you that a SSD will fill up very fast.
March 8, 2013 5:01:55 AM

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Iitr
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Iitr/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Iitr/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Arctic Cooling ACFZI30 74.0 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LX ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($46.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($119.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($210.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master Storm Scout ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $917.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-08 02:00 EST-0500)

This is more or less my setup (different case though). Runs like a dream and plays what i want at 1080p.
March 8, 2013 5:09:37 AM

Thats with CPU OC'd to 4.3Ghz, the cpu cooler does a great job for such a cheap price and runs fairly quiet.
a b U Graphics card
March 8, 2013 5:28:25 AM

No actually you do not NEED 1.5 V for ivy bridge.
Lower is always better.

This will suit you better than the PC's above.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Intel DZ77SL50K ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($101.24 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($47.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($384.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($75.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($18.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1059.10
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-08 02:28 EST-0500)
March 8, 2013 2:19:25 PM

Funny, I figured it was my graphics card choice most people would have an issue with, but it seems nobody likes Intel SSD's. Is there a reason besides "they cost more"?

I like Kamen's build the best, even though he took my build the furthest over budget. I'm just trying to get a sense of where everyone focuses their money in a budget situation and obviously when money is tight, nobody goes with an SSD.

Personally, I have been spoiled by the fast boot and overall quick response that an SSD provides and if price is the only thing negative to say about Intel SSD's, I'd agree. I always recommend loading OS on an SSD for new systems, because otherwise you start off with an old mech HDD for more space but system is not as zippy as it could be and then later if you want an SSD you have to go through the trouble of copying drive over.

So, overall, in a budget, most would ditch the SSD in general in favor of a larger drive to hold more games and a better graphics card. Curious....in a head to head benchmark, how much better would any of the suggested builds be?
a c 197 U Graphics card
March 8, 2013 2:38:57 PM

I cannot imagine building a rig for myself that does not include a SSD. I would recommend a Crucial M4 or Samsung 840 Pro. As to the video card, your original choice was not bad, but other posters have suggested you could probably get something even better without breaking your budget, and I agree. HD7850 < HD7870 < HD7870XT < HD7950; but all can play well at 1920x1080.
I prefer WD Black drives over WD Blue. They are faster, and have a five year warranty (I believe the only consumer drives that do).
Anything else I'd add would just be niggling.
a b U Graphics card
March 8, 2013 3:18:22 PM

sharkbyte5150 said:
Funny, I figured it was my graphics card choice most people would have an issue with, but it seems nobody likes Intel SSD's. Is there a reason besides "they cost more"?

I like Kamen's build the best, even though he took my build the furthest over budget. I'm just trying to get a sense of where everyone focuses their money in a budget situation and obviously when money is tight, nobody goes with an SSD.

Personally, I have been spoiled by the fast boot and overall quick response that an SSD provides and if price is the only thing negative to say about Intel SSD's, I'd agree. I always recommend loading OS on an SSD for new systems, because otherwise you start off with an old mech HDD for more space but system is not as zippy as it could be and then later if you want an SSD you have to go through the trouble of copying drive over.

So, overall, in a budget, most would ditch the SSD in general in favor of a larger drive to hold more games and a better graphics card. Curious....in a head to head benchmark, how much better would any of the suggested builds be?


I bought one because of high reviews on Newegg (another reason I don't trust store reviews) but the reason I don't like them is mine was incredibly frustrating to work with - nothing but BSODs and freezes and crashes left and right. It wouldn't register any time Windows needed to run a system update and I kept having to run Windows system restore every single time. This was after a firmware update. I swapped it for a Samsung 830 and my rig has been problem free ever since. My work rig runs a Vertex 4 and that's been a great drive.
March 8, 2013 3:52:27 PM

I can understand the frustration, but seems a bit excessive to swear off SSD's by Intel because of one bad experience, especially going as far as "don't get me started" as if you've had a number of them fail you. I've used both the 520 and 330 series SSD's in a handful of builds now without a single issue. Win7 install was flawless and quick with both.

Everyone has preferences, and since Samsung worked for you that's yours, but most builders understand that once in a while you have to deal with RMA's and every brand/product has a dud in their lineup. Sounds like you just got a dud, my friend. Besides, perhaps it wasn't the drive itself but a bad firmware update. Just sayin'....
a b U Graphics card
March 8, 2013 4:59:32 PM

sharkbyte5150 said:
I can understand the frustration, but seems a bit excessive to swear off SSD's by Intel because of one bad experience, especially going as far as "don't get me started" as if you've had a number of them fail you. I've used both the 520 and 330 series SSD's in a handful of builds now without a single issue. Win7 install was flawless and quick with both.

Everyone has preferences, and since Samsung worked for you that's yours, but most builders understand that once in a while you have to deal with RMA's and every brand/product has a dud in their lineup. Sounds like you just got a dud, my friend. Besides, perhaps it wasn't the drive itself but a bad firmware update. Just sayin'....


Even before the firmware update it still crashed left and right on me. I put the drive in another machine, and it sort of works now, but it was still incredibly frustrating to deal with.
March 8, 2013 5:42:57 PM

One bad SSD doesn't prove anything. Intel has one of the best reputations in the market when it comes to reliability. Samsung's another good choice, but I'd just go with whichever brand has the best deal going.

If you're going to get the Hyper 212 cooler, you might as well get the Evo (newest revision).
a b U Graphics card
March 8, 2013 6:23:22 PM

helz IT said:
One bad SSD doesn't prove anything. Intel has one of the best reputations in the market when it comes to reliability. Samsung's another good choice, but I'd just go with whichever brand has the best deal going.

If you're going to get the Hyper 212 cooler, you might as well get the Evo (newest revision).


No that's true it doesn't.
March 8, 2013 6:24:49 PM

Go for Xigmatek gaia instead, cheaper and performs pretty much the same with a quieter fan
a c 197 U Graphics card
March 8, 2013 10:29:22 PM

^Yes, although the Gaia is [temporarily] back up to $28 again. Frostytech found it to cool between the Hyper 212+ and the Hyper 212 EVO, but run quieter than either. I use them on my rigs, and they run cool enough that I've stopped bothering to monitor them.
March 9, 2013 5:36:31 PM

I've used both the 212 Plus and EVO and both are super quiet.
My Zalman 9900max is so quiet I wouldn't know if it was working if my case didn't have a window.
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