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a b U Graphics card
January 20, 2013 7:06:45 PM

colaturka said:
Which one is better overall? This http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or thishttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Other GPU suggestions ( 200-300$) are welcome aswell.


There both really close in performance, the 660 Ti beats the 7950 in most categories and is cheaper.

I wouldnt get the Gigabyte version as EVGA or MSI will have better cooling and overall better performace if you get factory OC versions.

EVGA:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA FTW:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MSI:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
a b U Graphics card
January 20, 2013 7:34:06 PM

I would also suggest the GTX 660 TI if you're planning on playing on 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 or lower. Above those resolutions the Radeon 7950 will rule.

Radeon 7950 has better overclocking but in most cases when you overclock the warranty will be voided. GTX 660 TI got boost, so it overclocks itself and you don'y have to move a finger and yhe warranty won't void!

Nvidia offers some cool Technologies that AMD doesn't. These Technologies improve Visuals and makes the gameplay smoother. You can check them out below.


Adaptive vsync kills choppy gameplay and microstuttering:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEYf_yUvwhQ

TXAA best AA in the world:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzOb252sIco


FXAA decent AA with no performance hit:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmeNz0NTvFQ


PhysX cool effects:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STi6rNeYZrY


The GTX 660 TI is the most appealing GPU in my book of the two.
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January 20, 2013 8:16:02 PM

abCasPeRR said:
There both really close in performance, the 660 Ti beats the 7950 in most categories and is cheaper.

I wouldnt get the Gigabyte version as EVGA or MSI will have better cooling and overall better performace if you get factory OC versions.

EVGA:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA FTW:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MSI:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


What's the main difference between those EVGA's? Also, is the core/boost clock the most important aspect of the GPU?
a b U Graphics card
January 20, 2013 9:40:29 PM

colaturka said:
What's the main difference between those EVGA's? Also, is the core/boost clock the most important aspect of the GPU?


There both factory OC, the SC version has a OC of 980MHz from reference 915, and the FTW Edition has a OC of 1046 from reference 915. So for the same amount of money you get a 66MHz more between the SC and FTW and a 131Mhz OC from the reference 915 that Nvidia has shipped there cards at. You'll get a good performance boost between the SC and FTW for the same price and a even better performance increase over any reference 660 Ti. No its not necessarily the most important. For example, I had a 460 way back that had a core clock of 675, but had a GT 520 as a dedicated physx that had a core clock of 810.
January 20, 2013 10:16:30 PM

abCasPeRR said:
There both factory OC, the SC version has a OC of 980MHz from reference 915, and the FTW Edition has a OC of 1046 from reference 915. So for the same amount of money you get a 66MHz more between the SC and FTW and a 131Mhz OC from the reference 915 that Nvidia has shipped there cards at. You'll get a good performance boost between the SC and FTW for the same price and a even better performance increase over any reference 660 Ti. No its not necessarily the most important. For example, I had a 460 way back that had a core clock of 675, but had a GT 520 as a dedicated physx that had a core clock of 810.



The evga gtx 660 ti ftw and the sapphire hd 7950 vapor-x are the same price from where I live in Belgium. You're saying that for the same price, the gtx 660 provides greater quality? I'm finding alot of great reviews on both them.
a b U Graphics card
January 20, 2013 11:33:20 PM

colaturka said:
The evga gtx 660 ti ftw and the sapphire hd 7950 vapor-x are the same price from where I live in Belgium. You're saying that for the same price, the gtx 660 provides greater quality? I'm finding alot of great reviews on both them.


Yes they are about the same price, and reviews show there about the same. But from a lot of different benchmarks, and from owning both a 660 Ti and a 7950, which now I kept the 660. There was a noticeable improvement in games that I play over the 7950. And a lot of benchmarks can prove that.
a b U Graphics card
January 20, 2013 11:36:47 PM

colaturka said:
I'm thinking about getting the normal gtx 660 from evga because it's like 50 € cheaper and provides almost equal quality. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Any reason why the ti ftw version is better for a budget build?


In more demanding games the 660 Ti beats out the 660 by a good 20-30fps. Its good because it offers great performance for a mid-high level gaming card. Its the same thing as a 670 but without the 256-bit memory bus.
a b U Graphics card
January 21, 2013 12:07:00 AM

iam2thecrowe said:
http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-ge... < a more severe problem with the 7950 than just fps. I would avoid it like the plague until there is a proper driver fix for it, which is apparently on its way.

Please don't over extrapolate what you don't know about. The sapphire vapor X will oc better than the 660 ti could get but if not ocing and are not going to buy another GPU within a year and a half then don.t get the sapphire 7950. I have a 7950 myself and have had no driver issues what so ever and everything i play is smooth as glass on reference clocks. The 192-bit interface wont last as long competitively as the 384-bit interface. AA hits the 7950 not as hard as the 660 ti.
a b U Graphics card
January 21, 2013 12:12:13 AM

farrengottu said:
the fix is out but nothing amazing, on some games there is still 50ms delays between frames though rarely. its still too much. waiting for a better fix now.

What games are you talking about? I have most games that are out currently and am willing to test it out and report on it. Regardless of the outcome I am true to my word.
a c 172 U Graphics card
January 21, 2013 12:15:54 AM

helper800 said:
Please don't over extrapolate what you don't know about. The sapphire vapor X will oc better than the 660 ti could get but if not ocing and are not going to buy another GPU within a year and a half then don.t get the sapphire 7950. I have a 7950 myself and have had no driver issues what so ever and everything i play is smooth as glass on reference clocks. The 192-bit interface wont last as long competitively as the 384-bit interface. AA hits the 7950 not as hard as the 660 ti.

well, even AMD know about the frame latency problem and have just released a beta patch, so don't go saying i don't know what i'm talking about. The only reason you wouldn't notice the stuttering is if you are playing with vsync or a frame rate cap on, and your always hitting the cap with your fps. But drop to 40 fps or so for a while and you will start to notice it.
a b U Graphics card
January 21, 2013 12:21:57 AM

iam2thecrowe said:
well, even AMD know about the frame latency problem and have just released a beta patch, so don't go saying i don't know what i'm talking about. The only reason you wouldn't notice the stuttering is if you are playing with vsync or a frame rate cap on, and your always hitting the cap with your fps. But drop to 40 fps or so for a while and you will start to notice it.

Sorry if you took it that way... I'm not saying that the problem does not exist just me personally have not ever noticed even with MSI afterburner recording the ms latency in front of my eyes and btw are all those games Nvidia biased?
a b U Graphics card
January 21, 2013 12:22:58 AM

iam2thecrowe said:
well, even AMD know about the frame latency problem and have just released a beta patch, so don't go saying i don't know what i'm talking about. The only reason you wouldn't notice the stuttering is if you are playing with vsync or a frame rate cap on, and your always hitting the cap with your fps. But drop to 40 fps or so for a while and you will start to notice it.

I never use v-sync and I don't even know how to cap a games frame rate as you have said.
January 21, 2013 8:49:14 AM

abCasPeRR said:
Yes they are about the same price, and reviews show there about the same. But from a lot of different benchmarks, and from owning both a 660 Ti and a 7950, which now I kept the 660. There was a noticeable improvement in games that I play over the 7950. And a lot of benchmarks can prove that.


This goes directly against what I received from Brent Hale from EliteGamingcomputers.

"Go with the HD 7950! The 660ti is a good card, but the 7950 beats it in pretty much all benchmarks."

http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B0071LP5ME/ref=as_li_ss...

You should check out his site aswell elitegamingcomputers.com . It's really helpful for beginners like me.

a b U Graphics card
January 21, 2013 6:13:54 PM

colaturka said:
This goes directly against what I received from Brent Hale from EliteGamingcomputers.

"Go with the HD 7950! The 660ti is a good card, but the 7950 beats it in pretty much all benchmarks."

http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B0071LP5ME/ref=as_li_ss...

You should check out his site aswell elitegamingcomputers.com . It's really helpful for beginners like me.


Thats false, but then benchmarks cant be very accurate. Not everyone uses the same setup they have. I had a 7950 when it came out and actually returned my 660 ti for it. When I received it I was getting on average about 15-20 fps difference in the games that I play. If you want the 7950 thats fine go for it. But I returned it and went back with my 660 Ti and have loved it ever since.
January 22, 2013 4:25:29 PM

abCasPeRR said:
Thats false, but then benchmarks cant be very accurate. Not everyone uses the same setup they have. I had a 7950 when it came out and actually returned my 660 ti for it. When I received it I was getting on average about 15-20 fps difference in the games that I play. If you want the 7950 thats fine go for it. But I returned it and went back with my 660 Ti and have loved it ever since.


"Yeah, at stock speeds the 660ti will win. However, the 7950 overclocks far superior to the 660 ti and the 660 ti has problems in SLI configuration. So, basically, like I said in the last email, if you don’t want to overclock yourself, then get the 660ti (either regular or manufacturer overclocked version.) But, if you plan on adding a second video card in the future, or you’re going to overclock the video card yourself, then the 7950 is the way to go."

So according to him the hd 7950 is better than the overclocked version of the GTX 660 Ti. I might be interested in overclocking just to try it out.
January 22, 2013 5:04:48 PM

This debate has been had many times over countless pages of posts from those who favour either AMD or nVidia.

The cards are very close, choose the one that you can get the best deal on and that performs the best in the games and/or resolution you play.

The 7950 is a great overclocker, has more vram and tends to perform better at higher resolutions.

The 660Ti is a decent overclocker, performs better at stock in some titles that favor nVidia and comes with PhysX etc...

What is best for any given poster or benchmark may not be the best choice for you.
a c 271 U Graphics card
January 22, 2013 5:13:01 PM

colaturka said:
the 660 ti has problems in SLI configuration.


Really? Care to elaborate.
a c 172 U Graphics card
January 22, 2013 6:26:31 PM

colaturka said:
"Yeah, at stock speeds the 660ti will win. However, the 7950 overclocks far superior to the 660 ti and the 660 ti has problems in SLI configuration. So, basically, like I said in the last email, if you don’t want to overclock yourself, then get the 660ti (either regular or manufacturer overclocked version.) But, if you plan on adding a second video card in the future, or you’re going to overclock the video card yourself, then the 7950 is the way to go."

So according to him the hd 7950 is better than the overclocked version of the GTX 660 Ti. I might be interested in overclocking just to try it out.

with the stock BIOS there is a limit with the 6xx cards and overclocking. There is a tool called Kelper Golden BIOS unlocker that allows you to increasevoltage and power limit and get a much better overclock. Its safe and really easy to use.
a b U Graphics card
January 22, 2013 8:02:51 PM

iam2thecrowe said:
with the stock BIOS there is a limit with the 6xx cards and overclocking. There is a tool called Kelper Golden BIOS unlocker that allows you to increasevoltage and power limit and get a much better overclock. Its safe and really easy to use.

Overclocking is never safe and comes at a risk regardless of what you are talking about.
a c 271 U Graphics card
January 22, 2013 8:14:28 PM

iam2thecrowe said:
with the stock BIOS there is a limit with the 6xx cards and overclocking. There is a tool called Kelper Golden BIOS unlocker that allows you to increasevoltage and power limit and get a much better overclock. Its safe and really easy to use.

Personally I wouldn't mess with the voltage of a 6xx series card, my 660Ti's run @0.987v which does not give a lot of room to play with if you get it slightly wrong.
a b U Graphics card
January 22, 2013 9:30:24 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Personally I wouldn't mess with the voltage of a 6xx series card, my 660Ti's run @0.987v which does not give a lot of room to play with if you get it slightly wrong.

^ +1 Mousemonkey
January 22, 2013 10:14:47 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Really? Care to elaborate.


haha, wish I could. That's actually what I received from elitegamingcomputers' support. What do you suggest for someone like me who is making his build? The gtx 660 ti or hd 7950, I can get both for the same price and there are alot of different reviews on this issue. What's your personal opinion? Buy the OC'd 660 or try overclocking the 7950 myself.
a c 271 U Graphics card
January 22, 2013 10:30:06 PM

colaturka said:
haha, wish I could. That's actually what I received from elitegamingcomputers' support. What do you suggest for someone like me who is making his build? The gtx 660 ti or hd 7950, I can get both for the same price and there are alot of different reviews on this issue. What's your personal opinion? Buy the OC'd 660 or try overclocking the 7950 myself.

I'm running SLi'd 660Ti's myself, hence why I asked what are the problems that are supposed to have.
a c 172 U Graphics card
January 23, 2013 1:35:11 AM

Mousemonkey said:
Personally I wouldn't mess with the voltage of a 6xx series card, my 660Ti's run @0.987v which does not give a lot of room to play with if you get it slightly wrong.

would that not be the idle voltage? my 660 ( non Ti) runs at 1.1875 under load. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6159/the-geforce-gtx-660-... < here, 660ti runs 1.175 under load. If its running less than that your getting throttled by heat or your power limit, increase the power limit and cool them down. I read an article where people are running close to 1.12v and getting much better overclocks.
heres a good couple threads with links to read if anyone is interested
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1654...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?2840...
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