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January 25, 2013 11:20:48 PM

I am going to upgrade my GPU, an Ati 5770.

I see on Newegg that the Nvidia 660 and AMD 7870 are the same price and both have free shipping.


On Tomshardware, the review for the 660 (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-gef...) puts it equal to or just under the 7870 for most games.

That said the AnandTech benchmark (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/548?vs=660) also seems to rank them as more or less comparable in most games too but some games do seem to run signifigantly better on the 660 though.

The game I am looking forward to the most is Aliens Colonial Marines and it runs on the Unreal 3 Engine if that helps.

Which one is better for $220? Thanks! Also can a 650watt power supply run them?

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January 25, 2013 11:35:43 PM

650W is more than enough for either.
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January 26, 2013 12:57:08 AM

SchizTech said:
650W is more than enough for either.


Good to know, thanks.
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January 26, 2013 1:10:01 AM

shadowedge said:
I am going to upgrade my GPU, an Ati 5770.

I see on Newegg that the Nvidia 660 and AMD 7870 are the same price and both have free shipping.


On Tomshardware, the review for the 660 (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-gef...) puts it equal to or just under the 7870 for most games.

That said the AnandTech benchmark (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/548?vs=660) also seems to rank them as more or less comparable in most games too but some games do seem to run signifigantly better on the 660 though.

The game I am looking forward to the most is Aliens Colonial Marines and it runs on the Unreal 3 Engine if that helps.

Which one is better for $220? Thanks! Also can a 650watt power supply run them?


Are you talking about the ASUS GTX 660 and the HIS IceQ 7870 GHz edition?
I'm in the exact same situation as you. The blower-style cooler on the HIS card will blow less hot air around the case and exhaust it out the back.
I heard somebody saying on this forum that the Kepler architecture depends less on a powerful CPU than the AMD Pitcairn architecture. I am getting an AMD FX-6300 CPU so I will choose the ASUS card.
Since the cards are closely matched, I'll look at the cooling perf.
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January 26, 2013 2:37:40 AM

I would get the 7870. It is AMD's competitor with the GeForce GTX 660 Ti, but it costs a lot less.
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January 26, 2013 2:46:46 AM

both are good, but if there the same price, id get the 7870 :) 

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January 26, 2013 2:47:50 AM

How much does Nvidia's Physx matter in games that support it? Is it good enough to warrant the purchase of this card over the 7870?
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January 26, 2013 2:48:56 AM

physx isnt used often, but if games starting using physx again ur gonna be outta luck with an amd card :p  so its up to u.

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January 26, 2013 2:56:44 AM

If you're going to use Physx, I don't think the GTX 660 can handle high graphic load and Physx at the same time (assuming Nivida's GPUs can multitask).

I would suggest just clocking the CPU higher. More consistent increase in FPS compared to using Physx anyways.
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January 26, 2013 2:57:50 AM

actually it can,

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January 26, 2013 11:33:19 AM

I'll be choosing the HIS card because it's 5% more powerful and doesn't blow hot air around the case.
If that big guy will not fit, though, I'll get the ASUS card.
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January 26, 2013 1:33:32 PM

sounds like a plan man
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January 26, 2013 5:38:05 PM

iceclock said:
sounds like a plan man

The HIS will not fit. The card is 12.1" long and my case's expansion-slot-to-drive-bay measurement is 10.6", which is 0.4" more than needed for the ASUS GTX 660, so that's my final pick.
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January 26, 2013 5:38:27 PM

ok well get the one that fits than :D , wont see a difference tbh

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January 26, 2013 8:16:30 PM

That depends......

The feature sets for both provide different things. Nvidia seems to have more or less "features". Nvidia 3D Vision and Project Shield. AMD loves to include games and stuff for a cheaper price. Frame rates are somewhat negligble at certain points because 4 or 5 frames shoudln't make the largest difference.
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January 26, 2013 8:41:19 PM

well, theres still the micro-frame stuttering issue that needs a driver update, and adaptive vsync for ati, theres atipro but is unsupported officially and amd should hire the creator of that program, theyd do some nice upgrades with him on board.

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January 26, 2013 8:51:00 PM

A HD 7870 is definitely the better choice.
The OC potential puts miles ahead of even the GTX 660 Ti which is the closest Nvidia competitor. If you had a bad PSU (which assuming you don't, 650W is MORE than enough for a HD 7870), as in, 400W, then I would recommend the GTX 660.

But since this is not the case - Get the HD 7870 - it'll be a lot better.
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January 26, 2013 8:52:26 PM

the 660ti overclocked trumps a 7870 anyday sorry mate, even the 660 can be overclocked nicely to beat an overclocked 7870.

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January 26, 2013 8:56:26 PM

I'm referring to a stock GTX 660 Ti:p 
I think you're basing your information on the old drivers (Pre-Never settle).

A GTX 660 Ti's gimped Memory Bus will hold it back. Also this isn't about a GTX 660 Ti vs a HD 7870, it's about a GXT 660 NON-Ti vs a HD 7870.
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January 26, 2013 8:58:51 PM

well the 660 is still a valuable opponent for a 7870, also u can get it for less.

the 192 bit bus doesnt hold it back completely tho.

its still a hard-rock card, ive got one and screams.

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January 26, 2013 9:04:46 PM

Yes, but in this case I'd definitely say to OP to get the HD 7870, if it was a GTX 660 Ti I'd be giving a different answer though.
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January 26, 2013 9:11:33 PM

well id say get whatvers cheaper and fits in ur budget, cuz both are good cards.

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January 26, 2013 9:14:20 PM

if they have same price, grab 7870. I asking this question one week ago. I finally took 660 , but thats because their price difference like $25. 660 is not so bad actually, but 7870 will be better.
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January 26, 2013 9:20:03 PM

i dont think 7870 is better at all, at stock overclocked might be a bit better,

but nothing huge of a gap in performance.

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January 26, 2013 9:21:35 PM

You can always look at the benchmark :) 
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January 26, 2013 9:23:10 PM

i did, and i know gpus quite well, used 3d graphics since prior to the 3dfx days, and i can honestly say both cards are good, and when both overclocked maybe the 7870 can beat it somethimes but not always.

depends of games and if theyve got an amd advantage or nvidia.

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January 26, 2013 9:29:52 PM

7870 will be better with OC, thats why i suggest the OP to choose 7870 if their price same. I already tell OP my opinion and my reason, leave him to decide :) 
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January 26, 2013 9:32:49 PM

shur thats fine.

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January 26, 2013 10:30:18 PM

A HD 7870 is definitely the stronger card sicne the Never Settle drivers, overclocking only furthers the gap.
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January 26, 2013 10:31:03 PM

u underestimate the 660 my friend.

its stronger than u think.

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January 26, 2013 10:38:12 PM

yummerzzz said:
A HD 7870 is definitely the stronger card sicne the Never Settle drivers, overclocking only furthers the gap.

OC's can never be guaranteed though.
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January 26, 2013 10:39:02 PM

thats correct, so we have to go by stock benchmarks oc is different from chip to chip. its like the lottery.

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January 26, 2013 10:42:37 PM

shadowedge said:
I am going to upgrade my GPU, an Ati 5770.

I see on Newegg that the Nvidia 660 and AMD 7870 are the same price and both have free shipping.


On Tomshardware, the review for the 660 (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-gef...) puts it equal to or just under the 7870 for most games.

That said the AnandTech benchmark (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/548?vs=660) also seems to rank them as more or less comparable in most games too but some games do seem to run signifigantly better on the 660 though.

The game I am looking forward to the most is Aliens Colonial Marines and it runs on the Unreal 3 Engine if that helps.

Which one is better for $220? Thanks! Also can a 650watt power supply run them?

The 660 outperforms the 7870 in some games and, if you are interested, will be able to use Nvidia 'Project Shield'
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January 26, 2013 10:43:30 PM

yes that portable gaming system does look nice. :D 

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January 26, 2013 10:46:40 PM

Mousemonkey said:
OC's can never be guaranteed though.


But even stock it is faster in the majority of games, OC'ing FURTHERS the gap.
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January 26, 2013 10:47:21 PM

not really.

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January 26, 2013 10:49:53 PM

iceclock said:
thats correct, so we have to go by stock benchmarks oc is different from chip to chip. its like the lottery.

This thread being a case in point.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/389557-33-7950-crash-...

If all AMD cards are OC'ing beasts then why is this users card not a beastly OC'r, I know it's not a 7870 but still...
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January 26, 2013 10:55:20 PM

yummerzzz said:
But even stock it is faster in the majority of games, OC'ing FURTHERS the gap.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/548?vs=660

That would depend on the majority that you choose from it seems.
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January 26, 2013 11:40:45 PM

Mousemonkey said:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/548?vs=660

That would depend on the majority that you choose from it seems.


14 (15 if you count Civ Compute) out of 26 = The majority.
This is without the Never Settle Drivers also.
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January 26, 2013 11:43:33 PM

yummerzzz said:
14 (15 if you count Civ Compute) out of 26 = The majority.
This is without the Never Settle Drivers also.

On that sites benchmarks yes, what about the games that they don't have in their listings? :lol: 
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January 26, 2013 11:52:38 PM

Mousemonkey said:
On that sites benchmarks yes, what about the games that they don't have in their listings? :lol: 


In that case no sites Benchmarks mean anything as no site benchmarks all games.
I was just using that example because it is the site you linked.

What exactly do you want from me? :pt1cable: 
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January 26, 2013 11:53:43 PM

i think it depends both on stock have similar performance.

and also u gotta factor in u can get a 660 somethimes cheaper and somethimes a 7870gb cheaper, id say get whatever cheaper at the time of purchase wont make a huge difference overall.

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January 26, 2013 11:58:38 PM

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_P...
For TL:D R ^

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_P...
For Full read ^

As Icelock said, get whichever is cheaper - It's likely you won't notice the difference between either cards anyway.
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January 27, 2013 12:07:40 AM

yup :) 

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February 4, 2013 12:35:15 AM

Best answer selected by shadowedge.
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February 4, 2013 12:35:54 AM

I ended up getting the 660. Thanks a lot for the help guys!
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