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January 26, 2013 8:07:22 PM

Hey guys Im doing my first build and have picked out everything but the graphics card. I feel that the best two for me would be either the 660 or the 660ti. I play Star Craft 2, Skyrim, BF3, Far Cry 3, Borderlands 2, Mass Effect 3, League of Legends, Fallout NV, and any games similar to the ones listed above. With those types of games in mind would I be able to get by with the 660 or should I go up to the 660ti.

My build:
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CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Best Buy)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Tempest 410 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Full (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $771.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-26 17:06 EST-0500)

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January 26, 2013 9:03:59 PM

I wouldn't recommend you either.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/gaming-graphics-card-revi...

As you can see in this review the GTX 660 or the GTX 660 ti are not included. GTX 670 has great value for a high-end GPU.

I've owned GTX 660 and I currently have the GTX 670. The GTX 670 is marginally faster. I don't think I need to show you any benchmarks to convince you about that.

Also, I wouldn't recommend buying a case without dust filters. NZXT also has bad quality, it's a plastic hell.

Tomshardware recommends the Fractal Design Define R4 of all their silent cases and I don't know about you, but I like to listen to my games, not the fans of my hardware or case.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/fractal-design-case-fdcade...

IF you won't go for the GTX 670, then my vote goes for the GTX 660. Simply because both are limited by their 192-bit bandwidth at higher resolutions.
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a b U Graphics card
January 26, 2013 9:57:17 PM

lostgamer_03 said:
I wouldn't recommend you either.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/gaming-graphics-card-revi...

As you can see in this review the GTX 660 or the GTX 660 ti are not included. GTX 670 has great value for a high-end GPU.

I've owned GTX 660 and I currently have the GTX 670. The GTX 670 is marginally faster. I don't think I need to show you any benchmarks to convince you about that.

Also, I wouldn't recommend buying a case without dust filters. NZXT also has bad quality, it's a plastic hell.

Tomshardware recommends the Fractal Design Define R4 of all their silent cases and I don't know about you, but I like to listen to my games, not the fans of my hardware or case.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/fractal-design-case-fdcade...

IF you won't go for the GTX 670, then my vote goes for the GTX 660. Simply because both are limited by their 192-bit bandwidth at higher resolutions.


I agree with this which is why my vote would go to a 670 even more so then a 660 unless you really really on a tight budget..I have the 660ti and im looking to shift to a 770 or 780. If the 780 isnt much better then the 770 which we dont know the specs yet then ima go 770 but either way ill be glad to get off the 660ti for sure
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January 26, 2013 9:58:03 PM

lostgamer_03 said:
I wouldn't recommend you either.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/gaming-graphics-card-revi...

As you can see in this review the GTX 660 or the GTX 660 ti are not included. GTX 670 has great value for a high-end GPU.

I've owned GTX 660 and I currently have the GTX 670. The GTX 670 is marginally faster. I don't think I need to show you any benchmarks to convince you about that.

Also, I wouldn't recommend buying a case without dust filters. NZXT also has bad quality, it's a plastic hell.

Tomshardware recommends the Fractal Design Define R4 of all their silent cases and I don't know about you, but I like to listen to my games, not the fans of my hardware or case.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/fractal-design-case-fdcade...

IF you won't go for the GTX 670, then my vote goes for the GTX 660. Simply because both are limited by their 192-bit bandwidth at higher resolutions.


Ok well in response to your comment the NZXT has dust filters everywhere except the top which will be exhaust fans. Also I dont plan on upgrading my monitor to anything above 1920X1080 any time soon as it is stretching my budget to put this machine together as it is and I wont be able to afford a $200 monitor.
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January 26, 2013 10:04:59 PM

The Fractal Design Define R4 is mainly a silent pc gamers wet dream mainly because it has sound dampening padding. However if it doesn't fit within your budget The case you have choosen works or even the Corsair 200R if you are more on a budget. I had a GTX660Ti for a few days and decided to return it for a GTX670 and it is worth it if your budget permits.

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January 26, 2013 10:05:35 PM

In reply to determinologyz why do you want to get rid of the 660ti so bad what is wrong with it is it just not enough fps for your set up or what?
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January 26, 2013 10:42:26 PM

Also if I was to go with the 670 which one should I get. I was leaning toward the MSI one with the 660 ti just due to the triple over-volting of the gpu.
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January 26, 2013 10:46:28 PM

Rioisbeast said:
In reply to determinologyz why do you want to get rid of the 660ti so bad what is wrong with it is it just not enough fps for your set up or what?


Nothing is wrong with the card just want something a bit stronger and even the 770 will prob be that card. Honestly if i had to do it again i would of bought a 670 over the 660ti back when the 670s came out
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January 26, 2013 10:53:29 PM

Although you could also go with a EVGA card and take advantage of there step up program when the new cards come out allowing you to upgrade. For example if you get a 660Ti you could move to a 770.
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January 26, 2013 11:01:56 PM

Like a month ago all I kept seeing is that MSI is by far the best to get what happened is that no longer the case becuase now I am seeing that everyone is recommending asus ir evga.
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January 26, 2013 11:03:51 PM

bigshootr8 said:
Although you could also go with a EVGA card and take advantage of there step up program when the new cards come out allowing you to upgrade. For example if you get a 660Ti you could move to a 770.


Yea with paying for shipping..I would just wait honestly till the new cards come out..By getting the 660ti now you may have a chance to get it in the 90 days if the cards come out and hope that its going to be in the list..To much trouble imo just be patient
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January 26, 2013 11:04:37 PM

Also the asus clock speeds are much lower than the MSI cards for around the same money with the 670 and like $20 more on the 660ti.
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January 26, 2013 11:07:28 PM

Its because ASUS uses really good quality components. However it depends on what msi card we are talking about if we are talking about the basic twin frozr then that could be the reason its cheaper also the powered edition is a factory overclocked card.

http://event.msi.com/vga/2012/series-comparison/
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January 26, 2013 11:08:31 PM

determinologyz said:
Yea with paying for shipping..I would just wait honestly till the new cards come out..By getting the 660ti now you may have a chance to get it in the 90 days if the cards come out and hope that its going to be in the list..To much trouble imo just be patient

Its not a matter of being patient its a matter of I already bough some parts because Im dumb and I got them on sale for a good price so now I have to finish this build now or risk having falty parts that I get stuck with.
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January 26, 2013 11:10:00 PM

I was looking at the power edition from msi.
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a c 133 U Graphics card
January 26, 2013 11:13:07 PM

The powered edition is good its a little louder then some of the other cards but the cooling is good and the performance is good. If its a matter of saving a little and getting a MSI card at the 670 level then I would say go for it. If you are looking at the 660Ti maybe get the basic ASUS DCUII card as it is cheaper then the MSI PE
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/#m=8,27&c=113&...
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January 26, 2013 11:16:02 PM

The 670 MSI is the same price as the asus after rebate so overall you would recommend what the asus or the msi at the same price for a 670.
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January 26, 2013 11:26:55 PM

I would prefer the asus card. If you want a larger factory overclocked card you could go for one however I don't think its necessary you won't lose anything cooling wise with asus by not getting a overclocked card. I'm curious what others think though. This is just my personal feeling on it yours may be different.
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January 27, 2013 12:26:33 AM

Ok for one last thing what is the major difference between a 192 bit for the memory vs 256 bit. I dont know what the memory really does so how much benefit the increased size actually helps would be nice to know.
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January 27, 2013 1:15:48 AM

The memory bit change is like pixel piplelines from the past as far as I understand it where its the amount of colors that can be moved onto your screen and how fast. Both are just fine for 1080p but as you would expect the 256 will get you further then if you were to get a 192 bit card.
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January 27, 2013 1:17:03 AM

Ok thanks for the info if I was going to go for a bigger display would it be a problem to be running with the 192 bit of the 660ti.
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a c 133 U Graphics card
January 27, 2013 1:31:55 AM

I wouldn't go with anything beyond a 1200p display.
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a b U Graphics card
January 27, 2013 1:33:32 AM

bigshootr8 said:
The memory bit change is like pixel piplelines from the past as far as I understand it where its the amount of colors that can be moved onto your screen and how fast. Both are just fine for 1080p but as you would expect the 256 will get you further then if you were to get a 192 bit card.


Is it just colors and/or data
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a c 133 U Graphics card
January 27, 2013 1:39:45 AM

Quote:
Function
The bitrate of a graphics card refers to the amount of data the card is able to move between the GPU and the RAM with each clock cycle. This is one component of the card's overall memory throughput, or bandwidth. More bandwidth allows the card to draw to the screen more quickly and with better resolution, resulting in smoother and higher-quality images.



Read more: 128 Bit Vs. 256 Bit Graphics Card | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_6767000_128-256-bit-graphics-...


http://www.ehow.com/about_6767000_128-256-bit-graphics-...
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a c 133 U Graphics card
January 27, 2013 1:40:22 AM

So deter I would say both.
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a b U Graphics card
January 27, 2013 2:02:37 AM

bigshootr8 said:
Quote:
Function
The bitrate of a graphics card refers to the amount of data the card is able to move between the GPU and the RAM with each clock cycle. This is one component of the card's overall memory throughput, or bandwidth. More bandwidth allows the card to draw to the screen more quickly and with better resolution, resulting in smoother and higher-quality images.



Read more: 128 Bit Vs. 256 Bit Graphics Card | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_6767000_128-256-bit-graphics-...


http://www.ehow.com/about_6767000_128-256-bit-graphics-...



Got ya..Great link to btw
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January 27, 2013 2:09:36 AM

So how big of an impact does the smaller memory number make?
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a c 133 U Graphics card
January 27, 2013 2:46:29 AM

Very little I would suspect at a normal resolution but the more resolution you add the the equation I would imagine that the extra memory bandwidth would come in handy.
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January 27, 2013 4:02:34 AM

the problem is when you have a very intensive scene like castle draco mod in skyrim. thats the only time on 1080 with ultra details and enb when i experienced severe fps drops. normally i was getting on my evga ftw 60-80average fps but when in that building overtextured area i got drops to 20-30fps and even 10-12 when i started to fly around via tfc command.

i guess if i were to buy a 2560x1440p lcd i would get from 47 to 30 average fps in most games on my 660 but would have to disable msaa to have good fps. in FC3 i am running just on fxaa with msaa on 0 and get 40-50fps and the image on my 1080 is perfectly sharp :) 

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a b U Graphics card
January 27, 2013 4:54:23 AM

Far cry 3 is demanding that dern game but its quite fun to play..My 660ti feels weak playing it even tho its a strong card but most def i cant wait till i sink into the gtx 770
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January 27, 2013 5:44:49 AM

The 770 should be better equipped to handle far cry 3 then the current gen cards when because its the next series after the games release. At least it feels like that is normally how it works.
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a b U Graphics card
January 27, 2013 6:13:33 AM

If you watch this video, then it's a little unsure wether the 700 series come, or there will be a better GTX 680.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h80jaqakkKQ - GTX 680 ultra

Far Cry 3 runs perfectly fine at 1080p using a GTX 670 with ULTRA settings, 4x MSAA and HBAO. 40-50 FPS. I even made a video comparing lowest vs. highest settings and you can see in the video it's running butter smooth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnh_v55c3go - Comparison
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January 27, 2013 6:21:05 AM

lostgamer_03 said:
If you watch this video, then it's a little unsure wether the 700 series come, or there will be a better GTX 680.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h80jaqakkKQ - GTX 680 ultra

Far Cry 3 runs perfectly fine at 1080p using a GTX 670 with ULTRA settings, 4x MSAA and HBAO. 40-50 FPS. I even made a video comparing lowest vs. highest settings and you can see in the video it's running butter smooth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnh_v55c3go - Comparison



This card is going to be nice but way to high to fit the bill
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a c 133 U Graphics card
January 27, 2013 7:58:47 AM

Right but I would imagine that something like a 760ti would be in stronger then a 680.
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a b U Graphics card
January 27, 2013 8:22:25 AM

What about the amd 7950? its a great card for the price. can be overclocked past a 680/7970. But im guessing you want nvidia which is fine. If you want nvidia clean the backyard get some Moar money and get the 670 :-)
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January 27, 2013 9:38:45 AM

i was told by people on boards that 770 is supposed to have 384 bit bus and 3gb vram, so i would recommend to wait out 3-5 months and then you are set for years

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revro
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January 27, 2013 10:46:59 AM

revro said:
i was told by people on boards that 770 is supposed to have 384 bit bus and 3gb vram, so i would recommend to wait out 3-5 months and then you are set for years

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revro


Future roofing doesn't exist, technology develops every day.
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a c 133 U Graphics card
January 27, 2013 10:50:15 AM

I do agree that it becomes very hard to future proof something. However, with that being said typically the high end products from both AMD, and Nvidia tend to last a couple of generations with ease with the higher settings beyond that the technology has surpassed the card. Also, whats holding the pc market back right now is the console games because there hasn't been an new console in a while that has produced a decent pc port that's pushed the envelope.
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January 27, 2013 12:43:59 PM

technology does, human limits dont. if he has an ips 2560x1440 once he get 60fps instant, it doesnt matter if next gen gives him 90 instead of 70. and till we get 1440p 120hz lcds he would be set as i said :p 

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a b U Graphics card
January 27, 2013 12:46:34 PM

revro said:
i was told by people on boards that 770 is supposed to have 384 bit bus and 3gb vram, so i would recommend to wait out 3-5 months and then you are set for years

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revro



This would be beast if thats true..I cant wait to get a 770 my self
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January 27, 2013 7:27:00 PM

Like I said earlier on I have to build this system now as I already purchased three parts and I cant risk waiting on them for 3 months for the 700 series to come out because they might be defective. So for this generation I get the general feeling that it would be worth it to get the 670 over the 660ti even though I will not be gaming on anything more than a 1080p monitor.
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January 27, 2013 8:02:36 PM

Rioisbeast said:
Like I said earlier on I have to build this system now as I already purchased three parts and I cant risk waiting on them for 3 months for the 700 series to come out because they might be defective. So for this generation I get the general feeling that it would be worth it to get the 670 over the 660ti even though I will not be gaming on anything more than a 1080p monitor.


You can still build a pc now and wait on the gpu or buy a cheap gpu to hold you over but still i think the 700 series is worth waiting untill you really itching to game just my two cents..a 670 will work but you going to think about it when the 700 series hits its called buyers remorse
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January 27, 2013 8:18:17 PM

So what do you recommend picking up for my pc until the new cards come out. And also any idea to when the cards are rumored to launch. I currently am running on a gt 9400 that I got like four years ago to play tf2.
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January 27, 2013 8:21:35 PM

I would say a gtx 660 for now i would say 660ti but im not to fond of its chopped memory bandwidth and rops and for price performance 660 would be a better option also i would say march april. I bought the 660ti back when they first came out and im looking to upgrade to a 770 for sure
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January 27, 2013 8:23:38 PM

Well is there any resale value for cards like that especially after the next series comes out?
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January 27, 2013 8:25:59 PM

Rioisbeast said:
Well is there any resale value for cards like that especially after the next series comes out?

If you keep it in good condition someone wanting to SLi will probably take it off your hands.
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January 27, 2013 8:26:15 PM

Well, You can always find someone to sell it to i mean if you not really itching to play games you could keep the gpu u have but i dont think you wanna go that route. If it was i depending on what your trying to do in the next few months i would build a pc and wait on the extra money to get a new series..Actually thats what i did when i built my pc i didnt have a gpu at the time and i went to the 660ti when they dropped
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January 27, 2013 8:29:43 PM

determinologyz said:
I would say a gtx 660 for now i would say 660ti but im not to fond of its chopped memory bandwidth and rops and for price performance 660 would be a better option also i would say march april. I bought the 660ti back when they first came out and im looking to upgrade to a 770 for sure

Is the 660 really worth getting if waiting for a new GPU, or get a AMD 7770?
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