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Anonymous
November 29, 2004 1:56:56 AM

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I know I can't record HD, but any way to receive a channel guide that shows
the HD programming locally also? Too bad the program guide doesn't include
an HD logo or something on the programs that are being simulcast in HD. Who
do you emal this suggestion to?
Anonymous
November 29, 2004 1:56:57 AM

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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:56:56 GMT, "Verizon User" <anonymous@anon.com>
wrote:

>I know I can't record HD, but any way to receive a channel guide that shows
>the HD programming locally also?

There are HD recorders (not Replay) available, but they are limited to
ONE particular source (broadcast, DirecTV, etc...). No general HD
video inputs (maybe from business-controlled government interferance).
You can even use your computer to record from ATSC.

I get DirecTV (but no HD receiver yet). The guide will show HD
channels unless they're deselected. DVArchive gets them from the same
source as the Replay, so should show them too.

However, the Replay is NOT showing the local (OTA) HD channel here.
You can find a guide for that at
http://www.checkhd.com/zipentry.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fprogr...

> Too bad the program guide doesn't include
>an HD logo or something on the programs that are being simulcast in HD. Who
>do you emal this suggestion to?
>
>

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Anonymous
November 29, 2004 7:16:44 AM

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Mark Lloyd <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> shaped the electrons to say:
>There are HD recorders (not Replay) available, but they are limited to
>ONE particular source (broadcast, DirecTV, etc...). No general HD

Not quite true - DirecTV HD units can receive DTV HD *and* OTA ATSC
HD, and the DTV TiVo HD unit can record both DTV HD and OTA ATSC HD.

I believe the Dish Network HD DVR also records ATSC.

There are some standalone OTA ATSC only boxes, and cable HD units are
cable only. For now at least - last week TiVo said sales of the DTV
HD box have been good so they're looking at other HD products, and
they're looking at CableCARD. In 2005 we should see CableCARD DVRs
that do cable HD, and I bet some of them will have ATSC support too.

-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
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Anonymous
November 29, 2004 11:27:01 AM

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I have Comcast cable on my HDTV, and the Replay lists the HD channels
in the program guide, so, it depends on your carrier.

Of course, when we want to watch HD content, we need to switch inputs
to view the HD stream directly. Looking forward to some sort of Replay
solution to the HD DVR morass, I'm not satisfied with any of the
options currently available (Dish, DTV, Comcast DVR, etc).
Anonymous
November 29, 2004 12:37:37 PM

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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:16:44 +0000 (UTC), newsREMOVE@THISmegazone.org
(MegaZone) wrote:

>Mark Lloyd <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> shaped the electrons to say:
>>There are HD recorders (not Replay) available, but they are limited to
>>ONE particular source (broadcast, DirecTV, etc...). No general HD
>
>Not quite true - DirecTV HD units can receive DTV HD *and* OTA ATSC
>HD, and the DTV TiVo HD unit can record both DTV HD and OTA ATSC HD.
>

Sorry I missed that part (and I'm actually using one of those
receivers for ATSC). They still lack the gereral purpose A/V inputs
that all non-dedicated video recorders have. They also lack network
connections to transfer the shows to a PC (like Replay has).

>I believe the Dish Network HD DVR also records ATSC.
>
>There are some standalone OTA ATSC only boxes, and cable HD units are
>cable only. For now at least - last week TiVo said sales of the DTV
>HD box have been good so they're looking at other HD products, and
>they're looking at CableCARD. In 2005 we should see CableCARD DVRs
>that do cable HD, and I bet some of them will have ATSC support too.
>

Still lacking the inputs and network connections we're used to for SD.

>-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762

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Anonymous
November 29, 2004 2:09:58 PM

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On 29 Nov 2004 08:27:01 -0800, "Chairboy" <ben.hallert@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I have Comcast cable on my HDTV, and the Replay lists the HD channels
>in the program guide, so, it depends on your carrier.
>
>Of course, when we want to watch HD content, we need to switch inputs
>to view the HD stream directly. Looking forward to some sort of Replay
>solution to the HD DVR morass, I'm not satisfied with any of the
>options currently available (Dish, DTV, Comcast DVR, etc).

Yes, that (A HD Replay) would be desirable. Even more so, if it had a
HD input that could be used with any source (component video?).

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"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
Anonymous
November 30, 2004 1:47:12 AM

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Mark Lloyd <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> shaped the electrons to say:
>that all non-dedicated video recorders have. They also lack network
>connections to transfer the shows to a PC (like Replay has).

Well, they have the HW for it - DirecTV are just being dipshits about
enabling any advanced features.

>Still lacking the inputs and network connections we're used to for SD.

The prototype HDTV standalone TiVo they've shown at the past 2 CES
shows had an ATSC tuner and all the capabilities of a normal Series2
box. So the CableCARD models may also have analog inputs - they'll
need an encoder anyway since < 100 channels are still analog even with
digital cable. Since they'll need the encoding HW they may as well
support external inputs.

-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
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Anonymous
November 30, 2004 1:48:14 AM

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Mark Lloyd <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> shaped the electrons to say:
>Yes, that (A HD Replay) would be desirable. Even more so, if it had a
>HD input that could be used with any source (component video?).

I think it will be a while before HW that can encode raw HD video will
be economically viable for consumer electronics. That's a big fire
hose to try to encoded realtime.

-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
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Anonymous
November 30, 2004 1:48:15 AM

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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:48:14 +0000 (UTC), newsREMOVE@THISmegazone.org
(MegaZone) wrote:

>Mark Lloyd <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> shaped the electrons to say:
>>Yes, that (A HD Replay) would be desirable. Even more so, if it had a
>>HD input that could be used with any source (component video?).
>
>I think it will be a while before HW that can encode raw HD video will
>be economically viable for consumer electronics. That's a big fire
>hose to try to encoded realtime.
>

True. Of course that doesn't mean it wouldn't be a useful thing to be
able to do.

>-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762

--
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has a Replay 5xxx
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http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
December 2, 2004 9:44:35 AM

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The Replay TV Zones have a HDTV section under the More, More, More section.
All of my HDTV programming from Dishnet shows up on this zone.

JD
"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:48:14 +0000 (UTC), newsREMOVE@THISmegazone.org
> (MegaZone) wrote:
>
>>Mark Lloyd <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> shaped the electrons to say:
>>>Yes, that (A HD Replay) would be desirable. Even more so, if it had a
>>>HD input that could be used with any source (component video?).
>>
>>I think it will be a while before HW that can encode raw HD video will
>>be economically viable for consumer electronics. That's a big fire
>>hose to try to encoded realtime.
>>
>
> True. Of course that doesn't mean it wouldn't be a useful thing to be
> able to do.
>
>>-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
>
> --
> 26 days until the winter solstice celebration
>
> Mark Lloyd
> has a Replay 5xxx
> http://go.to/notstupid
> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>
> "It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
> paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
> anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
Anonymous
December 2, 2004 2:32:32 PM

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MegaZone wrote:

> I think it will be a while before HW that can encode raw HD video will
> be economically viable for consumer electronics. That's a big fire
> hose to try to encoded realtime.

Actually, Though it might be "A big fire hose" to try to encode.

That might not be as hard as you think. You see,,,, It is already
encoded. All you need to do is stream the stream to disk, Now,
compression is possible, but optional, And it's likely pre-compressed as
well. So, where as you need a good amount of processor to encode video
(around 500 Mhz to do it well) you could likely capture a digital stream
with a much more modest CPU. In fact, using AMIGA type technology
(Instead of PC) you really would not need a CPU other than to set it up
and title the file (The AMIGA had dedicated co-processors so you could
be downloading files at cable speeds, while playing CPU intensive games
and the download would not be affected at all by the game, Very nice)
Anonymous
December 2, 2004 2:32:33 PM

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On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:32:32 GMT, John in Detroit
<Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>MegaZone wrote:
>
>> I think it will be a while before HW that can encode raw HD video will
>> be economically viable for consumer electronics. That's a big fire
>> hose to try to encoded realtime.
>
>Actually, Though it might be "A big fire hose" to try to encode.
>
>That might not be as hard as you think. You see,,,, It is already
>encoded.

That's assuming the source component has a DIGITAL output. Many don't.
and those that do (DVI and such) have artificial limitations (which
they like ti call "protection" but aren't honest about what is
actually being protected).

>All you need to do is stream the stream to disk, Now,
>compression is possible, but optional, And it's likely pre-compressed as
>well. So, where as you need a good amount of processor

In a system that handles real-time processes well. Windows doesn't.

> to encode video
>(around 500 Mhz to do it well) you could likely capture a digital stream
>with a much more modest CPU. In fact, using AMIGA type technology
>(Instead of PC) you really would not need a CPU other than to set it up
>and title the file (The AMIGA had dedicated co-processors so you could
>be downloading files at cable speeds, while playing CPU intensive games
>and the download would not be affected at all by the game, Very nice)

--
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Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://go.to/notstupid
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
Anonymous
December 2, 2004 4:24:10 PM

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Copying the MPEG stream directly to disk is how the Dish Network PVR
and the DirectTivo works. It's very source specific, but it's a great
way to maintain 100% picture quality and cut back on costs. Problem
is, you need either a ReplayTV with an HD tuner that'll grab
over-the-air HD signals and cram 'em onto the HD, or you need some sort
of special integration with the various cable and dish providers to get
access to their MPEG stream, and they have no real reason to make that
available.

The reason why encoding straight off a component feed is attractive is
that, while processor heavy, it lets you record from ANY high
definition source instead of only the ones your PVR has digital access
to.
Anonymous
December 2, 2004 6:33:49 PM

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On 2 Dec 2004 13:24:10 -0800, "Chairboy" <ben.hallert@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Copying the MPEG stream directly to disk is how the Dish Network PVR
>and the DirectTivo works. It's very source specific, but it's a great
>way to maintain 100% picture quality and cut back on costs. Problem
>is, you need either a ReplayTV with an HD tuner that'll grab
>over-the-air HD signals and cram 'em onto the HD, or you need some sort
>of special integration with the various cable and dish providers to get
>access to their MPEG stream, and they have no real reason to make that
>available.
>
>The reason why encoding straight off a component feed is attractive is
>that, while processor heavy, it lets you record from ANY high
>definition source instead of only the ones your PVR has digital access
>to.

Yes. It also avoids the "protection" on digital signals

--
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"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
Anonymous
December 2, 2004 8:11:15 PM

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wa8yxm@do.not.spam.arrl.net shaped the electrons to say:
>That might not be as hard as you think. You see,,,, It is already
>encoded. All you need to do is stream the stream to disk, Now,

Not in the context I was responding to - Mark had said encoding
component input - that's analog HD. Basically the same way you can
encode S-Video or composite today. And that would be big.

If you can record the raw digital signal - satellite, ATSC, or digital
cable - that's entirely different and it isn't that hard to do, and,
in fact, there are units that do that on the market today.

-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
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Anonymous
December 3, 2004 2:43:15 PM

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> Yes it does. Machines should not be allowed to try to enforce
> copyright.

Agreed. First it's copyright, then laws, and eventually they're trying
to kill Sarah Connor.
Anonymous
December 3, 2004 3:06:10 PM

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Chairboy wrote:

> Copying the MPEG stream directly to disk is how the Dish Network PVR
> and the DirectTivo works. It's very source specific, but it's a great
> way to maintain 100% picture quality and cut back on costs. Problem
> is, you need either a ReplayTV with an HD tuner that'll grab
> over-the-air HD signals and cram 'em onto the HD, or you need some sort
> of special integration with the various cable and dish providers to get
> access to their MPEG stream, and they have no real reason to make that
> available.
>
> The reason why encoding straight off a component feed is attractive is
> that, while processor heavy, it lets you record from ANY high
> definition source instead of only the ones your PVR has digital access
> to.
>

Another issue is the stupid digital rights management software, However
that can be disabled. (The other poster was correct to point this out)
however if someone designed a digital receiver which simply outputted
it's data to a hard drive in parallel with it's decoder chip.. Digital
rights would not be so much of an issue (The DRM bits would simply
stream onto the disk along with the show)

I'm not a big fan of DRM as it interferes with my ability to make copies
of live recordings of either my own singing or my daughter's fluting

(And an interesting sidenote... If your ID is intended to convey the
fact you sing in a choir.. So do I (On the other hand if it means you
drink too much.. No I don't)

And that's what I need to copy the most... Thankfully my computer is not
a big fan of DRM either so it goes ahead and makes the copies.
Anonymous
December 3, 2004 3:06:11 PM

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On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:06:10 GMT, John in Detroit
<Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Chairboy wrote:
>
>> Copying the MPEG stream directly to disk is how the Dish Network PVR
>> and the DirectTivo works. It's very source specific, but it's a great
>> way to maintain 100% picture quality and cut back on costs. Problem
>> is, you need either a ReplayTV with an HD tuner that'll grab
>> over-the-air HD signals and cram 'em onto the HD, or you need some sort
>> of special integration with the various cable and dish providers to get
>> access to their MPEG stream, and they have no real reason to make that
>> available.
>>
>> The reason why encoding straight off a component feed is attractive is
>> that, while processor heavy, it lets you record from ANY high
>> definition source instead of only the ones your PVR has digital access
>> to.
>>
>
>Another issue is the stupid digital rights management software, However
>that can be disabled. (The other poster was correct to point this out)
>however if someone designed a digital receiver which simply outputted
>it's data to a hard drive in parallel with it's decoder chip.. Digital
>rights would not be so much of an issue (The DRM bits would simply
>stream onto the disk along with the show)
>
>I'm not a big fan of DRM as it interferes with my ability to make copies
>of live recordings of either my own singing or my daughter's fluting
>

Yes it does. Machines should not be allowed to try to enforce
copyright.

[snip]

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paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
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