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December 2, 2004 7:39:58 PM

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Anyone having a problem recording Lost, which runs to 9:01 p.m., and then
switching over to The West Wing, which starts at 9 p.m.? Both are set for
guaranteed recording, but TWW fails to start recording owing to Lost running
long. If there's a solution to this, please tell me!

TIA,
Rick
Anonymous
December 2, 2004 7:39:59 PM

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On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:39:58 -0500, "JustRick"
<rick@[nospam]broida.com> wrote:

>Anyone having a problem recording Lost, which runs to 9:01 p.m., and then
>switching over to The West Wing, which starts at 9 p.m.? Both are set for
>guaranteed recording, but TWW fails to start recording owing to Lost running
>long. If there's a solution to this, please tell me!
>
>TIA,
>Rick
>

It looks like the networks are trying to cause trouble when the
schedule things like that. One Replay won't record 2 things at once.
If you start recording TWW at 9:01 will it work?

Also, is either show on at a different time also? Sometimes that's a
way to avoid conflicts.


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Anonymous
December 3, 2004 3:04:04 AM

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JustRick wrote:
> Anyone having a problem recording Lost, which runs to 9:01 p.m., and then
> switching over to The West Wing, which starts at 9 p.m.? Both are set for
> guaranteed recording, but TWW fails to start recording owing to Lost running
> long. If there's a solution to this, please tell me!
>
> TIA,
> Rick
>
>
Multiple Replays. A survey of avsforum replayers found 77% of them have
more than 1. I've got 7, all networked.
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Anonymous
December 3, 2004 6:00:00 AM

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"JustRick" <rick@[nospam]broida.com> wrote:

> Anyone having a problem recording Lost, which runs to 9:01 p.m., and then
> switching over to The West Wing, which starts at 9 p.m.? Both are set for
> guaranteed recording, but TWW fails to start recording owing to Lost running
> long. If there's a solution to this, please tell me!

Unfortunately, it's all or nothing unless you use Manual Recording,
specifying start and stop times for both shows. Replay handles
priorities poorly. It ought to record as much as possible of a program
that doesn't conflict with a higher priority program.
Anonymous
December 3, 2004 7:43:06 AM

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No problem here. With five 5000 series boxes on line, we never have a
conflict we can't work out. And yes, we do record both Lost and West Wing
regularly on two different units.

And there is always www.poopli.com

Bye.

"JustRick" <rick@[nospam]broida.com> wrote in message
news:E8Odne7_d_c0FjLcRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
> Anyone having a problem recording Lost, which runs to 9:01 p.m., and then
> switching over to The West Wing, which starts at 9 p.m.? Both are set for
> guaranteed recording, but TWW fails to start recording owing to Lost
> running long. If there's a solution to this, please tell me!
>
> TIA,
> Rick
>
Anonymous
December 3, 2004 11:54:28 AM

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Manually record Lost 8-9 or TWW 9:01-10 and the other conventionally,
depending on whether you want to lose the last minute of Lost or the first
of WW.

As an aside, I wrote the network asking why Lost has the odd time. No
response. It would surprise me if they are doing it deliberately to cause
exactly the problem you're experiencing. Good enough reason not to watch it
in my book, although they probably don't care whether we watch it or not
since we skip the commercials.

- Mark
Anonymous
December 3, 2004 2:34:09 PM

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On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:00:00 GMT, neillmassello@earthlink.net (Neill
Massello) wrote:

>"JustRick" <rick@[nospam]broida.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone having a problem recording Lost, which runs to 9:01 p.m., and then
>> switching over to The West Wing, which starts at 9 p.m.? Both are set for
>> guaranteed recording, but TWW fails to start recording owing to Lost running
>> long. If there's a solution to this, please tell me!
>
>Unfortunately, it's all or nothing unless you use Manual Recording,
>specifying start and stop times for both shows. Replay handles
>priorities poorly. It ought to record as much as possible of a program
>that doesn't conflict with a higher priority program.

It should, but what it does is still better than having no record
priorities feature at all.

That priority feature was something I asked for when the v2 software
was being developed. They took a long time to add it. Also, it would
be better if they told people.

--
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Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
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"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
Anonymous
December 3, 2004 3:11:34 PM

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JustRick wrote:

> Anyone having a problem recording Lost, which runs to 9:01 p.m., and then
> switching over to The West Wing, which starts at 9 p.m.? Both are set for
> guaranteed recording, but TWW fails to start recording owing to Lost running
> long. If there's a solution to this, please tell me!
>
> TIA,
> Rick
>
>
Complain to your Television provider about the scheduling

2: Manually set LOST, up so that it ends on the hour instead of one
minute later (you likely won't miss anything other than credits, if that

3: install an ATI-TV-wonder card or All-in-wonder card on your computer
and use it to record one or the other of those shows (Much cheaper than
another RTV (50 and 99 dollars respectively) however not as capable,
I've got to E-mail ATI (Radion) and make a few RTV like suggestions)
Anonymous
December 3, 2004 3:11:35 PM

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On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:11:34 GMT, John in Detroit
<Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>JustRick wrote:
>
>> Anyone having a problem recording Lost, which runs to 9:01 p.m., and then
>> switching over to The West Wing, which starts at 9 p.m.? Both are set for
>> guaranteed recording, but TWW fails to start recording owing to Lost running
>> long. If there's a solution to this, please tell me!
>>
>> TIA,
>> Rick
>>
>>
>Complain to your Television provider about the scheduling
>
>2: Manually set LOST, up so that it ends on the hour instead of one
>minute later (you likely won't miss anything other than credits, if that
>

It may be better to record it all and start the other show a minute
late. With some, you just miss the preview of that episode (something
I'd want to miss, since it makes the episode more predictable and so
less interesting).

>3: install an ATI-TV-wonder card or All-in-wonder card on your computer
>and use it to record one or the other of those shows (Much cheaper than
>another RTV (50 and 99 dollars respectively)

When considering the prices, don't forget activation (even when the
ads want you to). That could make that $99 dollars become $398 (still
much less than the prices of the original Replays).

> however not as capable,
>I've got to E-mail ATI (Radion) and make a few RTV like suggestions)

Don't do anything else on that computer during the recording, since
Windows doesn't handle real-time multitasking very well.

--
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Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://go.to/notstupid
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
Anonymous
December 4, 2004 2:29:28 AM

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Mark Lloyd wrote:


> When considering the prices, don't forget activation (even when the
> ads want you to). That could make that $99 dollars become $398 (still
> much less than the prices of the original Replays).

The ATI cards for your computer do not come with a monthly activation or
lifetime activation fee. IN my case, I spent fifty bucks plus sales
tax, I installed it, and it works, period. it does digital copy in the
MPEG format, I think "Longer" is the same size, and thus one assumes
about the same quality as "Standard" on the RTV, (it also has a
"longest" type of setting, and a good, and a best)

Software that comes with it is kind of nice, File player, librian , Gist
TV listings, CD-player DVD player more.

But there is no "Activation" on it at all, it's a one time purchase.

It's a computer card after all, comes in 4 versions, internal or
external (USB) remote or no remote
Anonymous
December 4, 2004 1:06:55 PM

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On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 23:29:28 GMT, John in Detroit
<Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>
>
>> When considering the prices, don't forget activation (even when the
>> ads want you to). That could make that $99 dollars become $398 (still
>> much less than the prices of the original Replays).
>
>The ATI cards for your computer do not come with a monthly activation or
> lifetime activation fee.

The Replay does require it. Consider it there.

>IN my case, I spent fifty bucks plus sales
>tax, I installed it, and it works, period. it does digital copy in the
>MPEG format, I think "Longer" is the same size, and thus one assumes
>about the same quality as "Standard" on the RTV, (it also has a
>"longest" type of setting, and a good, and a best)
>
>Software that comes with it is kind of nice, File player, librian , Gist
>TV listings, CD-player DVD player more.
>
>But there is no "Activation" on it at all, it's a one time purchase.
>

So you don't consider that it's required on the Replay?

>It's a computer card after all, comes in 4 versions, internal or
>external (USB) remote or no remote

And what sort of guide do you get? Automatic recording options?

--
21 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://go.to/notstupid
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
Anonymous
December 5, 2004 6:42:10 AM

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Mark Lloyd wrote:

> On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 23:29:28 GMT, John in Detroit
> <Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>When considering the prices, don't forget activation (even when the
>>>ads want you to). That could make that $99 dollars become $398 (still
>>>much less than the prices of the original Replays).
>>
>>The ATI cards for your computer do not come with a monthly activation or
>> lifetime activation fee.
>
>
> The Replay does require it. Consider it there.
>
>
>>IN my case, I spent fifty bucks plus sales
>>tax, I installed it, and it works, period. it does digital copy in the
>>MPEG format, I think "Longer" is the same size, and thus one assumes
>>about the same quality as "Standard" on the RTV, (it also has a
>>"longest" type of setting, and a good, and a best)
>>
>>Software that comes with it is kind of nice, File player, librian , Gist
>>TV listings, CD-player DVD player more.
>>
>>But there is no "Activation" on it at all, it's a one time purchase.
>>
>
>
> So you don't consider that it's required on the Replay?

I consider that we are speaking about apples and potatoes. Two
different things

I use the REPLAY as my primary video recorder because it does much of
the work for me, it automatically looks up shows, tells me when it can't
record them and records them if it can.

On the other hand the ATI card has to be manually programed for each
recording (or at least told "Record every Tuesday at 8pm) Though you
can search the listings you can't set up a theme channel to auto-record
every occurance of say ALIAS (With the Replay I can do that even if
ALIAS is not currently on the air, IN fact I recently did) But it does
a comparable job of recording and playing back

But it is clearly secondary to the replay in my installation

Also,, Windows XP crashes more often than the replay so you don't really
want to rely on the ATI card all the time like I do the Replay.

In fact, there is one show that was on last night it was supposed to
record but another program (DV-Archive to be exact) Crashed and blocked
it, Not a problem however as this show I tripple record, I have it
programmed in the Replay (Record if no conflicts) into the VCR (record,
period) and into the ATI card (Record if not crashed) so I got it

But you are talking about replays and activation and I'm talking abou
the ATI-Wonder cards and they do not require it.. They are also not as
good as a Replay.
Anonymous
December 5, 2004 6:42:11 AM

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On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 03:42:10 GMT, John in Detroit
<Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 23:29:28 GMT, John in Detroit
>> <Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>When considering the prices, don't forget activation (even when the
>>>>ads want you to). That could make that $99 dollars become $398 (still
>>>>much less than the prices of the original Replays).
>>>
>>>The ATI cards for your computer do not come with a monthly activation or
>>> lifetime activation fee.
>>
>>
>> The Replay does require it. Consider it there.
>>
>>
>>>IN my case, I spent fifty bucks plus sales
>>>tax, I installed it, and it works, period. it does digital copy in the
>>>MPEG format, I think "Longer" is the same size, and thus one assumes
>>>about the same quality as "Standard" on the RTV, (it also has a
>>>"longest" type of setting, and a good, and a best)
>>>
>>>Software that comes with it is kind of nice, File player, librian , Gist
>>>TV listings, CD-player DVD player more.
>>>
>>>But there is no "Activation" on it at all, it's a one time purchase.
>>>
>>
>>
>> So you don't consider that it's required on the Replay?
>
>I consider that we are speaking about apples and potatoes. Two
>different things
>

Sorry for the misunderstanding. It sounded like the beginning of an
argument. I'm glad it's not.

>I use the REPLAY as my primary video recorder because it does much of
>the work for me, it automatically looks up shows, tells me when it can't
>record them and records them if it can.
>
>On the other hand the ATI card has to be manually programed for each
>recording (or at least told "Record every Tuesday at 8pm) Though you
>can search the listings you can't set up a theme channel to auto-record
>every occurance of say ALIAS (With the Replay I can do that even if
>ALIAS is not currently on the air, IN fact I recently did) But it does
>a comparable job of recording and playing back
>

I have several Replay theme channels for shows I want, but aren't on
currently.

>But it is clearly secondary to the replay in my installation
>
>Also,, Windows XP crashes more often than the replay so you don't really
>want to rely on the ATI card all the time like I do the Replay.
>

True, and installing a video digitizer card can make Windows crash
more often.

>In fact, there is one show that was on last night it was supposed to
>record but another program (DV-Archive to be exact) Crashed and blocked
>it, Not a problem however as this show I tripple record, I have it
>programmed in the Replay (Record if no conflicts) into the VCR (record,
>period) and into the ATI card (Record if not crashed) so I got it
>
>But you are talking about replays and activation and I'm talking abou
>the ATI-Wonder cards and they do not require it.. They are also not as
>good as a Replay.

What I first said was that theReplay requires activation, so if a
Replay is sold for $99 the actual price is $398 (with lifetime
activation). That fact makes the price comparison ($50 instead of $99)
incorrect.

I did not say anything about the ATI card requiring activation.

--
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Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://go.to/notstupid
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
Anonymous
December 5, 2004 7:16:51 PM

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Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> shaped the electrons to say:
>Multiple Replays. A survey of avsforum replayers found 77% of them have
>more than 1. I've got 7, all networked.

Damn - how many people do you record for? I have 2 networked TiVos,
and I rarely need the second box since I only use it for the rare
conflict. I have a 3rd box, but I took it offline and I only keep it
is a spare.

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Anonymous
December 5, 2004 7:16:52 PM

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On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:16:51 +0000 (UTC), newsREMOVE@THISmegazone.org
(MegaZone) wrote:

>Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> shaped the electrons to say:
>>Multiple Replays. A survey of avsforum replayers found 77% of them have
>>more than 1. I've got 7, all networked.
>
>Damn - how many people do you record for? I have 2 networked TiVos,
>and I rarely need the second box since I only use it for the rare
>conflict. I have a 3rd box, but I took it offline and I only keep it
>is a spare.
>
>-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762

I have 3 Replays (and absolutely NO TiVos). The third (which is
without DirecTV) is kept relatively free of automatic recordings so I
can use it when I want to, sometimes as a way of getting a digital
copy of a videitape.

--
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Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://go.to/notstupid
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
Anonymous
December 5, 2004 11:41:28 PM

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Mark Lloyd wrote:


>
> What I first said was that theReplay requires activation, so if a
> Replay is sold for $99 the actual price is $398 (with lifetime
> activation). That fact makes the price comparison ($50 instead of $99)
> incorrect.
>
> I did not say anything about the ATI card requiring activation.


Oh, in that case I have to say I'm sorry as well, because I too
misunderstood what you were saying. yes, you are quite correct in that
I should have included the activation cost in the cost of the replay.

Primarily however, I was speaking of the cost of the ATI cards, 49.95 to
99.95 if you get technical (Fifty to a hundred bucks) for PCI, 100 to
150 for USB (the fifty gets you a RF type Remote control in either case)

Very nice.

And yes.. I do recall folks telling me how Windows XP does not crash

Well... They can just tell that to my BSOD next time it pops up :-)

(The problem this week is DVArchive is acting up on that box... I have
it running DVA with audio download from the RTV cause it's faster to
transfer to the laptop from the XP box than the RTV (about 20% faster)
but it's acting so funny I killed DVA on it and download direct from the
RTV.. OR, as I'm doing now watching live via the RTV (It was delayed
when I started but I "Quick Skipped" enough commercials to make up for
being late getting home, Nice Replay, Very Nice Replay)
Anonymous
December 6, 2004 9:25:11 PM

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"Neill Massello" <neillmassello@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1go6m0y.6j54nypx0d96N%neillmassello@earthlink.net...
> "JustRick" <rick@[nospam]broida.com> wrote:
>
> > Anyone having a problem recording Lost, which runs to 9:01 p.m., and
then
> > switching over to The West Wing, which starts at 9 p.m.? Both are set
for
> > guaranteed recording, but TWW fails to start recording owing to Lost
running
> > long. If there's a solution to this, please tell me!
>
> Unfortunately, it's all or nothing unless you use Manual Recording,
> specifying start and stop times for both shows. Replay handles
> priorities poorly. It ought to record as much as possible of a program
> that doesn't conflict with a higher priority program.

Yep, agreed. That's one of the no-brainer fixes we'll likely never see.
(Along w/ forever living with the double-select bug.)
December 7, 2004 11:58:29 PM

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newsREMOVE@THISmegazone.org (MegaZone) wrote in news:megazone.1102263410
@sidehack.sat.gweep.net:

> Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> shaped the electrons to say:
>>Multiple Replays. A survey of avsforum replayers found 77% of them
have
>>more than 1. I've got 7, all networked.
>
> Damn - how many people do you record for? I have 2 networked TiVos,
> and I rarely need the second box since I only use it for the rare
> conflict. I have a 3rd box, but I took it offline and I only keep it
> is a spare.
>
> -MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762

Seven !
Wow, I have two, plus I use a computer with DVA for storage. Of course
my two RTV's are 45xx series units so I don't get some of the benefits
of the 5xxx series, like remotely scheduling etc.

Again maybe limited to the 45xx, but I thought RTV's were limited to
streaming and communicating with 3 other network devices (total of 4
RTV's on the network). Is that not true at all, or just not true for
5xxx units?

I think a third 45xx would be nice to handle any schedule conflicts, but
that third program is so rare (not withstanding the end time of 9:01pm
pita) it cannot be justified right now.
Anonymous
December 7, 2004 11:58:30 PM

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On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 20:58:29 GMT, Steph
<CUT_skipatrol@hotmail.com_CUT> wrote:

>newsREMOVE@THISmegazone.org (MegaZone) wrote in news:megazone.1102263410
>@sidehack.sat.gweep.net:
>
>> Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> shaped the electrons to say:
>>>Multiple Replays. A survey of avsforum replayers found 77% of them
>have
>>>more than 1. I've got 7, all networked.
>>
>> Damn - how many people do you record for? I have 2 networked TiVos,
>> and I rarely need the second box since I only use it for the rare
>> conflict. I have a 3rd box, but I took it offline and I only keep it
>> is a spare.
>>
>> -MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
>
>Seven !
>Wow, I have two, plus I use a computer with DVA for storage. Of course
>my two RTV's are 45xx series units so I don't get some of the benefits
>of the 5xxx series, like remotely scheduling etc.
>
>Again maybe limited to the 45xx, but I thought RTV's were limited to
>streaming and communicating with 3 other network devices (total of 4
>RTV's on the network). Is that not true at all, or just not true for
>5xxx units?
>

I'm not sure since I ave just 3 Replays, but believe that limit
applies to the 4xxx units only.

>I think a third 45xx would be nice to handle any schedule conflicts, but
>that third program is so rare (not withstanding the end time of 9:01pm
>pita) it cannot be justified right now.

--
18 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://go.to/notstupid
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
Anonymous
December 8, 2004 4:12:37 AM

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There may be some limit for 5000 boxes, but four networked isn't it. With
five 5000 boxes and our DVArchive server going, that's six devices networked
and talking to each other quite reliably.

Bye.

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[....]
> Seven !
> Wow, I have two, plus I use a computer with DVA for storage. Of course
> my two RTV's are 45xx series units so I don't get some of the benefits
> of the 5xxx series, like remotely scheduling etc.
>
> Again maybe limited to the 45xx, but I thought RTV's were limited to
> streaming and communicating with 3 other network devices (total of 4
> RTV's on the network). Is that not true at all, or just not true for
> 5xxx units?
>
> I think a third 45xx would be nice to handle any schedule conflicts, but
> that third program is so rare (not withstanding the end time of 9:01pm
> pita) it cannot be justified right now.
>
!