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January 31, 2013 4:41:08 PM

Hello everybody.
So as you can see Ive got a problem with my Graphic card. Its Nvidia GT650M GDDR5 2GB. I thought this Graphic card is a beast but... I have problems. Quite a lot. First of all:
My spec:
HP DV6-7000
Intel i7 3610QM
GT650M GDDR5 2GB
16GB RAM
750GB 7200RPM
So yeah. I think these spec for a laptop are good. So yeah. I bought this computer on september. It was a beast. Now I have this problem with my FPS. Like. I ran Counter-Strike Test that tests your GPU. I ran it and got 88FPS. (Everything high) In game I get about 70fps.. Furmark 13fps. Battery settings is set to high performance. In Nvidia Control Panel everything is default but I changed PhysX to GT650 and preffered graphics processor GT650M too. And in the first page settings are set to Balanced. So yeah.. Temperatures are about 80 when playing. I dont know what to do. Am I expecting too much from my video card? Or should I overlock it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9yul-DOQ4o In this game my video card is not even close btw it should run it much better. So yeah. What should I do?
Thank you for your replys and help guys :) 

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a c 91 U Graphics card
January 31, 2013 5:01:27 PM

Why would you think it's a beast?

The normal, desktop 650 can get playable framerates in most games in medium at 1080p. The mobile version is even MORE underpowered, and will have to run most games at low.

Overclocking IS a possibility, but it'll produce way more heat, so you'll need a cooler. (I think all in all you are expecting too much, though. Just play games at settings that let you play with 60 fps and you'll be okay.)
a b U Graphics card
January 31, 2013 5:04:07 PM

you're expecting too much out of the video card...laptop parts are slower because of the lower power consumption and lower temps

if you want to game sell the laptop and build yourself a desktop. tom's community will be more than happy to help you make a list of compatible parts and walk you thru the build process.

no dont overclock anything in laptops as they have limited aiflow inside meaning if you make your card run faster it will create more heat and the laptop is not designed for that so ur risking damaging something inside
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January 31, 2013 5:07:24 PM

Thanks. Now i understand :D  Yeah. Would you recommend to overlock it a little? I have a cooler. Zalman. So. Can somebody give me some settings how much should overlock it?
January 31, 2013 5:11:51 PM

I have a Dell Inspiron 17R SE with GT 650m 2GB GDDR5. I OCd the Core Clock boost + 135 MHz, Memory + 300 MHz. Under load I get around 76-80 Degrees, before OC around 74 Degrees.
January 31, 2013 5:26:08 PM

Amm.. Im noob so :D  What does OC mean? Overlock? And did u use MSI Afterburner? And. Can u like give me some tips in private message? Thanks :) 
a b U Graphics card
January 31, 2013 5:44:35 PM

Exactly what I was going to say. Even in a desktop the GT-650 is not a fast card, so the crippled mobile 650M version should be even slower. Not what I call a beast. Even overclocked don't expect to squeeze too much performance out of it.

I'll give the same advise I give to everyone who wants to game on a laptop: Don't do it. Instead of spending 2000$ on a gaming laptop, you're better off spending 1000$ on a gaming tower it will give you much more performance. Then you can spend 500$ on a cheap laptop if you need mobility or bring it to school, and you can game at home on your gaming tower. It will cost you only 1500$ and you'll get 2 computers and have a much better gaming experience.

But if you absolutely need to game on the road it will cost you a lot of money to have a decent gaming laptop and the performance will never be close to a tower that cost only half or even one-third of the price.

January 31, 2013 6:01:17 PM

Hmm. I see now. Can u give me some examples?
a b U Graphics card
January 31, 2013 6:31:52 PM

Here's an example of a good gaming laptop, it's a little cheaper than I thought starting at 1500$ but it can increase quickly over 2000$ depending on the options you select:

http://www.dell.com/ca/p/alienware-m17x-r4/pd


In a desktop you can get the following specs for around 1000$:

- i5-3570K
- 8 GB RAM
- GPU: Radeon 7870 or 7950 or a GeForce 660-Ti or 670, etc...
- A Decent PSU
- A Decent gaming case
- Etc...

That's assuming you already have a monitor, but even so, monitors are getting cheaper and cheaper, even 27" are getting affordable nowadays.

Anyways, that desktop will give you a superior gaming experience for about half the price of the laptop.


*** Edit: I realize I forgot to ask you what games you're playing or which ones are you planning to play during next year? I see you mentioned Counter-Strike in your original post, but that's a really old game. If you only play old games like this no need to change your current laptop it's fine. Especially if you get 88 FPS that's more than enough, the human-eye has trouble to discern anything beyond 60 FPS anyways.
a c 204 U Graphics card
January 31, 2013 7:33:33 PM

OC is overclock, you keep saying overlock. Clock refers to hz.

Here's some more benchmarks. It'll play most games on med-high but that is at 1366x768. http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-650M.718... If you aren't getting fps like this than there is an issue but I suspect you were just expecting too much. It is just a mid range laptop gpu. People need to stop comparing desktop and laptop components just because they have the same number. They are obviously not the same.

Don't bring in "max fps your eye can see" discussions, it is too situational since your eyes don't see in frames. Most likely your monitor is only 60hz so that is all you are being shown.
February 1, 2013 1:50:36 AM

Yeah i see. But 2000 is kindatoo much for me. :/ 
THank you for your help guys. :) 
Best forum :D 
February 2, 2013 1:10:54 AM

you will get increased performance if you plug it in...
a c 204 U Graphics card
February 2, 2013 1:32:07 AM

.txt is just a text file. It shouldn't be showing that file extension of other files that are not that file extension.
February 2, 2013 6:16:52 AM

I know. But it shows. And .exe files and .bat files.. Is there a fix?
February 2, 2013 6:19:23 AM

Amm. I think you dont understand me. Like. After .exe files (not shortcuts) I get .exe
After .txt files I get .txt After .bat files I get .bat So yeah.
Is there a fix?
February 2, 2013 6:46:48 AM

Sorry. I dont know why. But I cant give you photos of my problem.. Sorry. :/ 
a c 204 U Graphics card
February 2, 2013 9:14:17 PM

To hide extensions go to any folder and press alt. A toolbar should show, (file, edit, view, tools, help) press tools, then folder options. In the view tab check mark hide extensions for known file types.
February 2, 2013 10:31:48 PM

Thanks. :) 
a c 204 U Graphics card
February 3, 2013 9:26:03 PM

Gpus downclock when idling. Cpus do the same thing.
a c 85 U Graphics card
February 3, 2013 9:33:01 PM

when did u buy the laptop.since u got 3 months to return the item somethimes if ur unsastified.

February 4, 2013 2:24:03 AM

Im not unsastified. I just dont know some stuff and I ask here. :)  I really like my laptop. I know its not the best but still. I think Im going to OC it. Any ideas? How much should I OC it? And. Whick program should I use. Nvidia Inspector or MSI Afterburner?
February 4, 2013 2:33:45 AM

I prefer MSI for overclocking.

You are expecting too much.
For starters, you tested it on the heaviest game that came out this year, i played it at 20 FPS mostly. My desktop wont even start it.

You played it on medium-high with full HD resolution AND recorded a video of it. What more do you want?
February 4, 2013 2:38:23 AM

Nope. It wasnt me. There was a guy. THat made series about HIM playing games. I have a diffrend laptop. Mine is HP DV6. And his Asus N56 if im right. Laptops are the same but he has DDR5 or 3 i dont really know. And I have GDDR5. So yeah. I want to overlock it. Not too much. But a little bit.
a c 85 U Graphics card
February 4, 2013 3:22:00 AM

u cant overclock a laptop or recommanded they already overheat at stock.

u also void ur warranty when u overclock ur laptop.

February 5, 2013 1:55:52 AM

Yes. I know that. My laptop overheats becouse my vents arent clean. I need to clean them. Im just intrested how much should id OC it of im going to OC it.
a c 85 U Graphics card
February 5, 2013 2:02:08 AM

no laptops in general they overheat. i dont advise overclocking.

a c 204 U Graphics card
February 5, 2013 2:53:14 AM

For any oc, we can't tell you what your hardware can go up to. All we can say is til it either is over safe temps, voltage or unstable.
February 5, 2013 12:02:59 PM

k1114 thanks for your help.
Can I give you some specs? That u can give me some numbers?
a c 204 U Graphics card
February 5, 2013 3:36:58 PM

Sure.
February 5, 2013 4:02:59 PM

Okay.
Intel Core I7 3610QM
Nvidia GeForce GT650M 2GB GDDR5
Intel HD 4000
750GB 7200RPM
I think thats all.
About temps. Im not going to OC it now. Becouse my vents are pretty dusty.
While gaming
GPU: 80C
i7: 90C
I know these temps are pretty high. But there were no shut downs.
Im gonna clean my vents.
So yeah. What do you think?
a c 204 U Graphics card
February 5, 2013 4:12:56 PM

You already stated this at the beginning. I don't know what you want me to tell you.
February 5, 2013 4:19:50 PM

How much should I overlock it?
February 5, 2013 4:29:41 PM

Your temp without OC is 90/cpu 80/gpu.
That's already high.
You should not overclock it.
February 5, 2013 4:33:34 PM

I said that these temps are a high becouse my vents are pretty dusty. Im asking here to get some numbers to overlock it after I clean my vents
a c 204 U Graphics card
February 5, 2013 7:37:30 PM

k1114 said:
For any oc, we can't tell you what your hardware can go up to. All we can say is til it either is over safe temps, voltage or unstable.


a c 85 U Graphics card
February 5, 2013 10:43:58 PM

its a laptop. not made to overclock. keep stock.

February 5, 2013 11:56:44 PM

Mzmkont said:
I said that these temps are a high becouse my vents are pretty dusty. Im asking here to get some numbers to overlock it after I clean my vents


Many people have answered this question many times already even though it wasn't exactly the answer you're hoping for. You have mentioned these "dusty" vents several times already. Do me a favor. Clean them and report back the temp, I would really like to know how low your temp drops... :sarcastic: 
February 6, 2013 2:16:35 AM

Okay.
a c 85 U Graphics card
February 6, 2013 9:06:55 PM

dust. kills. dust makes it overheat.

also dont overclock ur laptop

February 7, 2013 2:10:22 AM

Why not?
a c 204 U Graphics card
February 7, 2013 4:30:53 AM

Most laptops are already on the edge of their safe temps. But if the temps are fine, there is nothing wrong with ocing a laptop.
a c 109 U Graphics card
February 7, 2013 4:47:13 AM

Don't OC.....
a b U Graphics card
February 7, 2013 4:54:04 AM

You could probably build a 400$ desktop that could give you a lot more performance than your laptop.

Edit: Also in a small form factor.
February 7, 2013 2:29:37 PM

Okay. I have a question. I have this noise. Near my touschpad. If i put my ear near it i can hear this ,,brrrrrr'' noise. Its near my vents.
What could this be?
February 7, 2013 2:32:15 PM

Touchpad* Sorry
a c 204 U Graphics card
February 7, 2013 3:55:38 PM

Your hdd.
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