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February 7, 2013 1:19:11 AM

So I currently have two 6950 2GB's in my system, and they've been a little too slow lately along with pissing me off with crossfire issues in a lot of games. I play at 2560x1440. I want to upgrade, and right now I can get a 7970 GHz Edition, with a voucher for Crysis 3 and Bioshock Infinite (games I will be buying) for $400. Seems like a pretty good deal to me, but should I wait for the 8000 series instead and get an equivalent card? Will it be so much better to warrant the wait (and that the two games likely won't be included)?

So:

$400 - 7970 GHz Edition w/ Crysis 3, Bioshock Infinite NOW
OR
equivalent 89xx series card in a few months when they come out

Thanks for the input!

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February 7, 2013 1:25:19 AM

The Nivida 700s and AMD 8000s aren't expected to come out until late 2013, assuming the information isn't another "Hi, I'm from Microsoft. Here's the supposedly-true info on the Xbox 720".
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February 7, 2013 1:28:44 AM

I read something about them coming out in may....

I didnt wait.. just bought the 7970Ghz... cuz when the new cards come out... they are gonna announce.... NEW ONES COMING SOON. Its a good price now, enjoy games now (most likely price will drop some more)

(prolly will not be included, those games i mean)

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February 7, 2013 2:31:09 AM

I would go and grab a 7970 GHz Ed. and run with it. No need to wait for cards that have no solid RD. You can also sell that card and grab the new one later if you really need it!
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February 7, 2013 2:38:04 AM

considering the 7970Ghz were over $600 when they first came out . . i'd expect their 89xx counter part to have a high price also.

buy a 7970 now.
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February 7, 2013 2:39:53 AM

With the one report saying AMD and Nvidia are holding off releasing their new cards, you could say, sure get a 7970. But on the other hand, it will probably be a performance downgrade (in the games crossfire works well, which in my experience is most games). If it was me, I'd wait regardless of when the new cards are coming out.
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February 7, 2013 2:42:40 AM

Yes, get a 7970 now. The next series has been postponed to Q4 2013 and is rumored to be 15% faster.

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February 7, 2013 2:47:08 AM

hapkido said:
With the one report saying AMD and Nvidia are holding off releasing their new cards, you could say, sure get a 7970. But on the other hand, it will probably be a performance downgrade (in the games crossfire works well, which in my experience is most games). If it was me, I'd wait regardless of when the new cards are coming out.

ah, a 6950 is barely 50% the performance of a 7970Ghz. and considering Xfire rarely scales to 200%, it would not be a downgrade.
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February 7, 2013 2:49:00 AM

Generally a 7870 is on par with the 6970.
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February 7, 2013 2:59:30 AM

Anonymous said:
considering the 7970Ghz were over $600 when they first came out . . i'd expect their 89xx counter part to have a high price also.

buy a 7970 now.

This is wrong, this never happened. When the GHz came out the original HD 7970 was priced in between $460 - $480 and the GHz was priced @ $500 to compete back with the GTX 680. The only 2 cards that were Priced $600 or a little more were the Sapphire 6GB edition and the Gigabyte Windforce 5X
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February 7, 2013 3:00:07 AM

Current estimates have the new graphics cards coming out sometime Quarter 2 this year. Reason being is that AMD are waiting for 7000 series stock to deplete (hence the Never Settle: Reloaded deals) and Nvidia are just on their normal schedule.

As for whether you should wait for the new gen or not, comes entirely down to what you want.
If you want performance now, get a 7970 and reap some free games.
If you want more performance and are willing to wait for it, then get the 8970.
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February 7, 2013 3:07:48 AM

Anonymous said:
ah, a 6950 is barely 50% the performance of a 7970Ghz. and considering Xfire rarely scales to 200%, it would not be a downgrade.


6950s are closer to being 60% of a 7970.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/510?vs=508

Crossfire scales about 180%, sometimes better. AT BEST, you're looking at spending $400 for the same performance and two games. That's not a smart buy in my book.

A lot of you fellas often overlook the fact the OP has the hardware already. If the question is "should I buy 2x 6950 or a 7970?" of course he should get a 7970; but he already has the 6950s. No reason to switch out before next gen.
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February 7, 2013 3:10:49 AM

A Bad Day said:
The Nivida 700s and AMD 8000s aren't expected to come out until late 2013, assuming the information isn't another "Hi, I'm from Microsoft. Here's the supposedly-true info on the Xbox 720".



That doesnt make since to relase the 28mm cards at the end of 2013 then the 20mm 2014..To much dead time..My guess march april for the 28mm and 20mm next year around the same time..We do know the march gpu technology conf coming up..lets wait before pulling the trigger
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February 7, 2013 3:13:14 AM

ilysaml said:
This is wrong, this never happened. When the GHz came out the original HD 7970 was priced in between $460 - $480 and the GHz was priced @ $500 to compete back with the GTX 680. The only 2 cards that were Priced $600 or a little more were the Sapphire 6GB edition and the Gigabyte Windforce 5X

WOW! excuse me for being tired after having a long day and typing 6 instead of a 5


feel better now?


thanks, your insight has produce a highly informative discussion.
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February 7, 2013 3:13:58 AM

cskoler said:
So I currently have two 6950 2GB's in my system, and they've been a little too slow lately along with pissing me off with crossfire issues in a lot of games. I play at 2560x1440. I want to upgrade, and right now I can get a 7970 GHz Edition, with a voucher for Crysis 3 and Bioshock Infinite (games I will be buying) for $400. Seems like a pretty good deal to me, but should I wait for the 8000 series instead and get an equivalent card? Will it be so much better to warrant the wait (and that the two games likely won't be included)?

So:

$400 - 7970 GHz Edition w/ Crysis 3, Bioshock Infinite NOW
OR
equivalent 89xx series card in a few months when they come out

2 HD 6950s will give you the same performance of the HD 7970 GHz edition, you won't feel any difference at all. Let's assume you're gonna upgrade as a cause of CF issues, you'll be upgrading to the same performance ballpark, no gain.

HD 8K series will be a rebadge for the current HD 7K series, the same goes for nVidia GTX 700 series. Latest reports indicated that the series will be delayed at least to the second half of 2013 or maybe further that's why the never settle bundle was reloaded, because the company is gonna focus mainly on the Steamroller APUs. Crysis 3 is very very intensive and you're gaming at a very high and taxing resolution, you'll need 2 HD 7970s to enjoy 40+ FPS in this game so a single HD 7970 isn't gonna cut it. IMO stay as you are and think later at the end of this year what you'll do.

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February 7, 2013 3:20:08 AM

hapkido said:
6950s are closer to being 60% of a 7970.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/510?vs=508

Crossfire scales about 180%, sometimes better. AT BEST, you're looking at spending $400 for the same performance and two games. That's not a smart buy in my book.

A lot of you fellas often overlook the fact the OP has the hardware already. If the question is "should I buy 2x 6950 or a 7970?" of course he should get a 7970; but he already has the 6950s. No reason to switch out before next gen.

and you're overlooking that the OP is having Xfire performance problems.

and the anandtech bench to compare gpus doesn't reflect real word gaming results.
its better to use real world gaming in some recent benchmarks

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February 7, 2013 3:21:26 AM

Anonymous said:
WOW! excuse me for being tired after having a long day and typing 6 instead of a 5
feel better now?
thanks, your insight has produce a highly informative discussion.

Well take care the next time then as your exhaustion leads to wrong info.
Indeed.
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February 7, 2013 3:24:52 AM

Just get 2 7950's
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February 7, 2013 3:27:37 AM

ilysaml said:
Well take care the next time then as your exhaustion leads to wrong info.
Indeed.

i don't mean to be crappy and should just thank you for the correction.

however i think the point of the prices for the newer cards will be much higher and what is *close* to the performance of the 7970s is still valid . . an error, yes but with no harm.
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February 7, 2013 3:31:38 AM

Anonymous said:
and you're overlooking that the OP is having Xfire performance problems.

and the anandtech bench to compare gpus doesn't reflect real word gaming results.
its better to use real world gaming in some recent benchmarks
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/VTX3D/Radeon_HD_7870_XT_Black/images/perfrel_1920.gif



Not only is that showing a 7870 as base, it doesn't even mention crossfire 6950s.

The dude already owns 2x 6950. There's no reason to change out for a single card if he's looking for a performance increase since there will be no performance increase.
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February 7, 2013 3:34:09 AM

ilysaml said:
HD 8K series will be a rebadge for the current HD 7K series, the same goes for nVidia GTX 700 series.


Only in OEM systems (so what companies like Dell, HP produce) will the 8000 series be re-badged 7000 series cards, the retail release will be a proper upgrade. No word on Nvidia though, but I imagine it would be the same thing.

Or if you meant that its the same architecture underneath, that is true, but its like Sandy to Ivy Bridge. Tweaks, more transistors and cores (no process shrink, 20nm seems to be too difficult for now) will give us more performance, but no radically new architecture design.

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February 7, 2013 3:37:08 AM

Well, everyone should consider that the games that come with the 7970 are a $80-90 value, on top of the fact that I should be able to get $200-250 for my 6950's when I sell them. So I would only be spending $50-100 on the 7970 if I bought it now.
I am sort of leaning towards the 7970 GHz right now, but the arguments that it could be a downgrade do somewhat worry me. The thing is, Crossfire sucks. I can't play any Bethesda games, Far Cry 3, among many others, with both of my cards; I have to disable one because of extreme stuttering. So I don't know.
I really appreciate all the input though. Seriously (keep it up).
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February 7, 2013 3:49:37 AM

Then do it.

I played Dishonored (a Bethesda game) with crossfire 5850s with no issue. If you have the crossfire application profiles installed, are going to buy the games anyway, have buyers for your cards already, and have $100 to burn, just go for it.

It kind of seems like you're looking for reassurance. I don't think a 7970 would be an upgrade over crossfire 6950s at all, but if you want to do it, just do it.
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February 7, 2013 4:07:02 AM

cskoler said:
Well, everyone should consider that the games that come with the 7970 are a $80-90 value, on top of the fact that I should be able to get $200-250 for my 6950's when I sell them. So I would only be spending $50-100 on the 7970 if I bought it now.
I am sort of leaning towards the 7970 GHz right now, but the arguments that it could be a downgrade do somewhat worry me. The thing is, Crossfire sucks. I can't play any Bethesda games, Far Cry 3, among many others, with both of my cards; I have to disable one because of extreme stuttering. So I don't know.
I really appreciate all the input though. Seriously (keep it up).


Repeat after me.

There is another brand with far better dual gpu support and minimal stuttering that the manufacturing has been working on for years. Nvidia. Try 670.
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February 7, 2013 4:14:17 AM

^
Careful now, wouldnt want to start a flame war.

Just remembered, there's a program called RadeonPro that apparently really helps with Micro-Stutter. Try using that and see if it clears up your Crossfire issues.
http://www.radeonpro.info/en-US/
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February 7, 2013 4:20:11 AM

hapkido said:
Not only is that showing a 7870 as base, it doesn't even mention crossfire 6950s.

The dude already owns 2x 6950. There's no reason to change out for a single card if he's looking for a performance increase since there will be no performance increase.

yes the 7870 is the base but the bench includes the 6950 and 7970Ghz. is it difficult to figure out if the 6950 is 72% and the 7970Ghz is 132% what the difference is?

and again only IF the Xfire scaling is 200% would they have anywhere near a side or downgrading. but Xfire scale does not well.
however, read the OPs post.
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and they've been a little too slow lately along with pissing me off with crossfire issues in a lot of games.

he wants to get rid of a Xfire set up to relevate a problem. buying a $400 7970Ghz and selling the 6950s for ~$125 each is $150 cost to solve the problem and get consistent performance.
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February 7, 2013 4:27:27 AM

manofchalk said:
Only in OEM systems (so what companies like Dell, HP produce) will the 8000 series be re-badged 7000 series cards, the retail release will be a proper upgrade. No word on Nvidia though, but I imagine it would be the same thing.

Or if you meant that its the same architecture underneath, that is true, but its like Sandy to Ivy Bridge. Tweaks, more transistors and cores (no process shrink, 20nm seems to be too difficult for now) will give us more performance, but no radically new architecture design.

Indeed, just bumping up core & memory clocks with higher shaders and transistors, no new architecture. The HD 9K series will be based on the 20nm and supposedly XDR memory if things go well with Rambus.
Read this article well;
http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/327809,gtx-700-vs-hd...
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February 7, 2013 4:27:54 AM

I would peg the 6950 at 50% of the 7970 (latest drivers) when cfing so I doubt it will ever be a downgrade, worse case a sidegrade
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February 7, 2013 4:34:19 AM

2944402,26,951143 said:
yes the 7870 is the base but the bench includes the 6950 and 7970Ghz. is it difficult to figure out if the 6950 is 72% and the 7970Ghz is 132% what the difference is?

Not only do stats not work that way, but it's 60% like I estimated.

Also, what problem?
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February 7, 2013 5:40:14 AM



6950 is 60% (59 but close enough since the 7970 is like 98%) of the 7970 and account for supposed 180% scaling, it comes out to 108% of a 7970 so at most 8% slower but in non-optimal crossfire situations (which you apparently have a lot of) then there will be likely better performance on the part of the 7970
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February 7, 2013 5:47:06 AM

1) Why the eff would you spend money for less performance? Even if it was 8% the other way, it's still not a good buy.

2) Show me in-game benchmarks where a 7970 is faster than crossfire 6950s.

You can't just provide meaningless graphs with no link or reference as proof. People who talk about how bad crossfire is obviously have never installed two cards and crossfire application profiles. I haven't had any issues with any games that have been out more then two weeks during the entire two years I've owned my crossfire 5850 setup. It takes a little more effort to make sure your drivers and profiles are up to date, that's it.

Anyone who suggests replacing 2x 6950 with a single 7970 has no idea what they're talking about. I'm sorry, but you're talking out of your butt if you say otherwise. A gaming PC is about gaming performance. If you have all that money to burn just because, do it and don't ask why. But if you're on a budget, it's simply not smart.
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February 7, 2013 7:16:24 AM

^ I never suggested if he should go for the 7970 or not, I just posted a graph showing preformance. i know people IRL on dual 7970's and they generally get 70% scaling but they are also a bit lazy in tweaking their CAP's

I will go and get them to run some benchies and get back you you all
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February 7, 2013 10:32:51 AM

hapkido said:
2944402,26,951143 said:
yes the 7870 is the base but the bench includes the 6950 and 7970Ghz. is it difficult to figure out if the 6950 is 72% and the 7970Ghz is 132% what the difference is?

Not only do stats not work that way, but it's 60% like I estimated.

Also, what problem?
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why are you incessantly defending the Xfire set up?

as pointed out, at best for the Xfire set up there would be ~8% performance difference. however also take into account that 2gbs of vram maybe ok now but games are starting to edge toward using more, any 7970Ghz, that i see, has 3gbs.

it would be optimnal to find some benchmarks with a 6750 Xfire and 7970ghz head to head. but without those using what available recent data is with real world testing, the most recent benchmark there is with both cards, to draw a reasonable conclusion is not out of line. and really its rather hypocritical to demand such proof when you go to anandtench benchmark tool, which is highly outdated and doesn't provide real world testing, and made the same speculation yourself.

so to reiterate, the OP is having problems with their current hardware. radoen pro may or may not help them solve that. getting a 7970ghz would not be a downgrade and would be much better than waiting for the 89xx series to come out because they would not get as much price/performance as AMD releases their flagship at a high retail cost upon release. also if they look to sell their current set up, the longer they wait the further the cards will depreciate making a change even more expensive.
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February 7, 2013 11:01:49 AM

cskoler said:
Well, everyone should consider that the games that come with the 7970 are a $80-90 value, on top of the fact that I should be able to get $200-250 for my 6950's when I sell them. So I would only be spending $50-100 on the 7970 if I bought it now.
I am sort of leaning towards the 7970 GHz right now, but the arguments that it could be a downgrade do somewhat worry me. The thing is, Crossfire sucks. I can't play any Bethesda games, Far Cry 3, among many others, with both of my cards; I have to disable one because of extreme stuttering. So I don't know.
I really appreciate all the input though. Seriously (keep it up).


Man I completely feel you. I had 6850s in crossfire and in theory should have been able to play a bunch of games on High to Max settings. In a few games it was ok, and in others it just plain sucked. Skyrim being a big suckage with Xfire. Micro stutter sucks! Get the 7970 now! I got a Sapphire 7950 and all games are butter! In theory it should have been a sidegrade, but in reality it was sooooo worth it to not have stuttering and be able to just play the *** out of games. Don't listen to these, "It's a downgrade" peeps. They aren't hearing you on the Xfire issues. Solve your stuttering. Grab a 7970. And the games make it a sweet ass deal!
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February 7, 2013 2:26:06 PM

Anonymous said:
why are you incessantly defending the Xfire set up?


I come here to try to help people not waste money.
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February 7, 2013 6:31:20 PM

babernet_1 said:
Perhaps you missed my note way above that the next generation AMD is put off till the end of the year. AMD lost over 400 million last quarter. The sky is gray.



yeap i missed it..I hope nvidia doesnt follow suit
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February 7, 2013 7:00:06 PM

babernet_1 said:
Perhaps you missed my note way above that the next generation AMD is put off till the end of the year. AMD lost over 400 million last quarter. The sky is gray.

and because they are in deep, they will be selling away for peanuts for another year 7xxx series, instead of rolling out and selling 8xxx while nvidia is taking their time and all has to offer against 8xxx is a rumor of 900$ killer card?

btw. the q4 is from AMD itself or should we assume you are the CEO of AMD? :) 

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February 7, 2013 7:17:53 PM

revro said:
and because they are in deep, they will be selling away for peanuts for another year 7xxx series, instead of rolling out and selling 8xxx while nvidia is taking their time and all has to offer against 8xxx is a rumor of 900$ killer card?

btw. the q4 is from AMD itself or should we assume you are the CEO of AMD? :) 

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I did post the link from source but i hope its nor q4
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February 7, 2013 7:52:27 PM

hapkido said:
I come here to try to help people not waste money.

fair enough.

but i will point out the longer it is before the OP sells their cards; the more they will depreciate in value; losing money. and since it is ultimately up to the OP; it would be worth it to the to be relieved of the frustration of having a bad experience with Xfire by buying a single graphics card; pretty much what was stated in their first post.

so its not "how do i not waste money" then "what would be a wise course of action to be relieved of this problem".

sorry if you can't see that. and now my work is done - flag deleted
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February 7, 2013 8:56:03 PM

Alright, well I bought the 7970. I don't know if it was the right decision, but I'm super excited. Thanks for all the help, everyone.
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February 7, 2013 9:13:25 PM

cskoler said:
Alright, well I bought the 7970. I don't know if it was the right decision, but I'm super excited. Thanks for all the help, everyone.


Good job! Though I am an Nvidia fan, I'm happy for you. Choosing between Nvidia and AMD is a religious decision almost. Half the fun is just doing the research, asking questions, reading reviews, looking at the pics!

The 7970 is a step up because of no CF issues if nothing else. Now you are nicely poised to CF them if needed. "You have taken your first step into a larger world."

Now who said that???
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February 8, 2013 1:36:57 AM

cskoler said:
So I currently have two 6950 2GB's in my system, and they've been a little too slow lately along with pissing me off with crossfire issues in a lot of games. I play at 2560x1440. I want to upgrade, and right now I can get a 7970 GHz Edition, with a voucher for Crysis 3 and Bioshock Infinite (games I will be buying) for $400. Seems like a pretty good deal to me, but should I wait for the 8000 series instead and get an equivalent card? Will it be so much better to warrant the wait (and that the two games likely won't be included)?

So:

$400 - 7970 GHz Edition w/ Crysis 3, Bioshock Infinite NOW
OR
equivalent 89xx series card in a few months when they come out

Thanks for the input!

i would suggest waiting for the 700's and 8000's and then buying the 7xxx or 6xx after the price drops
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February 8, 2013 3:39:01 AM

Vinylscratchgamer said:
i would suggest waiting for the 700's and 8000's and then buying the 7xxx or 6xx after the price drops


If im waiting that long ima be sure to get a new gpu from the 700/8000 series
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February 8, 2013 10:36:37 AM

You have 6950 crossfire? Those cards are still great, I wouldnt upgrade them Unless you can afford 7970/680/7950/670 SLI/CROSSFIRE Which is pricey.
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