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Anonymous
July 12, 2005 6:31:22 AM

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Spoke to DNNA today and they agreed that the disk was toast. As the
machine had just hit one year from activation date they extended the $35
flat rate repair. With shipping to them included it's still cheaper
than a new drive and they'll look over the whole thing while it's there.
Before I even asked, Tech Support was quick to mention that I would
receive my actual 50xx unit back and that I didn't have to worry about
getting a 55xx machine!
Anonymous
July 12, 2005 6:31:23 AM

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BruceR wrote:
> Spoke to DNNA today and they agreed that the disk was toast. As the
> machine had just hit one year from activation date they extended the $35
> flat rate repair. With shipping to them included it's still cheaper
> than a new drive and



> they'll look over the whole thing while it's there.

Yeah, right.

> Before I even asked, Tech Support was quick to mention that I would
> receive my actual 50xx unit back and that I didn't have to worry about
> getting a 55xx machine!

You might be the first one! I would call again. They never had people
repairing units before. They would just ship them off to a sub
contractor and send you a refurb from somebody else.

You could get a 120g Maxtor for $29 after rebate, send the original
drive back to Maxtor for warranty replacement and in probably 1/2 the
time compared to the Replay fix.
Anonymous
July 12, 2005 9:38:22 AM

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Well, it used to be that defective units were shipped to Memphis IIRC
but now they go to DNNA in Waco. That's also the facility that the tech
was at so. I'll let you know what happens.

From:Tony D
nospam@nospam.com

> BruceR wrote:
>> Spoke to DNNA today and they agreed that the disk was toast. As the
>> machine had just hit one year from activation date they extended the
>> $35 flat rate repair. With shipping to them included it's still
>> cheaper than a new drive and
>
>
>
>> they'll look over the whole thing while it's there.
>
> Yeah, right.
>
>> Before I even asked, Tech Support was quick to mention that I would
>> receive my actual 50xx unit back and that I didn't have to worry
>> about getting a 55xx machine!
>
> You might be the first one! I would call again. They never had people
> repairing units before. They would just ship them off to a sub
> contractor and send you a refurb from somebody else.
>
> You could get a 120g Maxtor for $29 after rebate, send the original
> drive back to Maxtor for warranty replacement and in probably 1/2 the
> time compared to the Replay fix.
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Anonymous
July 13, 2005 2:33:00 AM

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Tony D wrote:
> BruceR wrote:
>> Before I even asked, Tech Support was quick to mention that I would
>> receive my actual 50xx unit back and that I didn't have to worry about
>> getting a 55xx machine!
>
>
> You might be the first one! I would call again. They never had people
> repairing units before. They would just ship them off to a sub
> contractor and send you a refurb from somebody else.

When I sent in my 5504 under warranty the unit I got back had the same
serial number and MAC as the one I sent in... Clearly they fixed it, not
a swap out


--
John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
Diabetic? http://community.compuserve.com/diabetes
Anonymous
July 13, 2005 5:14:10 AM

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:33:00 GMT, John in Detroit
<Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>When I sent in my 5504 under warranty the unit I got back had the same
>serial number and MAC as the one I sent in... Clearly they fixed it, not
>a swap out


Or they just swapped/cloned the flash ROM. RTV wrote those numbers in
there the first time. They can certainly do it again.
I bet there are some quiet hackers out here who have done it.
Anonymous
July 13, 2005 11:01:22 AM

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Seems like that would be at least as much work as just swapping the bad
drive though. As long as I get a 50xx back I don't really care though.
I have no special attachment to the serial number or MAC.

From:gfretwell@aol.com
gfretwell@aol.com

> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:33:00 GMT, John in Detroit
> <Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> When I sent in my 5504 under warranty the unit I got back had the
>> same serial number and MAC as the one I sent in... Clearly they
>> fixed it, not a swap out
>
>
> Or they just swapped/cloned the flash ROM. RTV wrote those numbers in
> there the first time. They can certainly do it again.
> I bet there are some quiet hackers out here who have done it.
Anonymous
July 13, 2005 2:31:13 PM

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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:14:10 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:33:00 GMT, John in Detroit
><Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>When I sent in my 5504 under warranty the unit I got back had the same
>>serial number and MAC as the one I sent in... Clearly they fixed it, not
>>a swap out
>
>
>Or they just swapped/cloned the flash ROM.

And maybe forgot to change the label on the outside of the unit.

> RTV wrote those numbers in
>there the first time. They can certainly do it again.
>I bet there are some quiet hackers out here who have done it.


--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
July 13, 2005 5:01:36 PM

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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:01:22 GMT, "BruceR" <brNOSPAM@hawaii.com>
wrote:

>Seems like that would be at least as much work as just swapping the bad
>drive though. As long as I get a 50xx back I don't really care though.
>I have no special attachment to the serial number or MAC.

If they are running out of good "hot spares" that is reasonable but I
am still not convinced there isn't a way to zap the flash ROM via the
ethernet port.
The people who actually do this stuff seem to be abiding by their
non-disclosure agreements quite well.
Anonymous
July 13, 2005 9:06:00 PM

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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:01:36 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:01:22 GMT, "BruceR" <brNOSPAM@hawaii.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Seems like that would be at least as much work as just swapping the bad
>>drive though. As long as I get a 50xx back I don't really care though.
>>I have no special attachment to the serial number or MAC.
>
>If they are running out of good "hot spares" that is reasonable but I
>am still not convinced there isn't a way to zap the flash ROM via the
>ethernet port.

Although there is a standard way to update flash memory on board. The
connections could be disguised as "test points".

>The people who actually do this stuff seem to be abiding by their
>non-disclosure agreements quite well.

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
July 14, 2005 5:48:46 AM

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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:06:00 -0500, Mark Lloyd
<mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:

>Although there is a standard way to update flash memory on board. The
>connections could be disguised as "test points".

There is no hardware reason they couldn't upload a small utility to
zap in new data, just like you flash the ROM on your PC.
Anonymous
July 14, 2005 2:40:31 PM

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Well, in another week or so we'll know for sure. They can flsh the ROM,
change the label or whatever else they want but I'll know for sure by
checking for the mark I etched on the bottom. But as I said before, as
long as I get back a 50xx machine I don't really care.

From:gfretwell@aol.com
gfretwell@aol.com

> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:06:00 -0500, Mark Lloyd
> <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:
>
>> Although there is a standard way to update flash memory on board. The
>> connections could be disguised as "test points".
>
> There is no hardware reason they couldn't upload a small utility to
> zap in new data, just like you flash the ROM on your PC.
Anonymous
July 14, 2005 2:40:32 PM

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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:40:31 GMT, "BruceR" <brNOSPAM@hawaii.com>
wrote:

>Well, in another week or so we'll know for sure. They can flsh the ROM,
>change the label or whatever else they want but I'll know for sure by
>checking for the mark I etched on the bottom. But as I said before, as
>long as I get back a 50xx machine I don't really care.
>

I'd like to know if you find that mark when you get it back.

They could try to duplicate those marks too, but are probably too lazy
to do it.

>From:gfretwell@aol.com
>gfretwell@aol.com
>
>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:06:00 -0500, Mark Lloyd
>> <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Although there is a standard way to update flash memory on board. The
>>> connections could be disguised as "test points".
>>
>> There is no hardware reason they couldn't upload a small utility to
>> zap in new data, just like you flash the ROM on your PC.
>

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
July 14, 2005 3:41:04 PM

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"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
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>
> I'd like to know if you find that mark when you get it back.
>
> They could try to duplicate those marks too, but are probably too lazy
> to do it.

Too lazy? I can't imagine any repair shop examining the box to duplicate
any identifying marks put there by the owner. More likely they're too busy
doing the repairs.

Regards,

Margaret
Anonymous
July 14, 2005 9:44:21 PM

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Margaret Wilson wrote:
> "Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
> news:2hvcd1tvi1qkujfi4k70nrrt9mt5bgs2d2@4ax.com...
>
>>I'd like to know if you find that mark when you get it back.
>>
>>They could try to duplicate those marks too, but are probably too lazy
>>to do it.
>
>
> Too lazy? I can't imagine any repair shop examining the box to duplicate
> any identifying marks put there by the owner. More likely they're too busy
> doing the repairs.

One common "Scam" in the business world today is the repair scam. now
this scam is common in automotive, home, and electronic repair.

It consists of charging for repairs and parts not needed or replaced

I do not know of any examples of home repair "Stings" but I do know both
auto and electronic

In the auto field, various orginations and groups including more than
one attorney General's office, 60 Minutes and Popular Mechinics
magazine (I would not be surprised to find any auto magazine in this
group) have gone out, the have a car, often with Michigan plates for
some reason, they drive around to various repair facilities, in the car
are either a man, woman, and childeren, or two men, In the latter case
one of the men is an engineer from the auto manafacturer (Ford in one
case I read of) They intentionally "Break" something, example, install
a bad spark wire

Then they go to the repair faility and get the estimant

ONe I actually held in my hand said it needed a new fuel pump, new
transmission, new CV joints, New exhaust and more

It needed... New spark wires (I know I replaced them)

That was not one of the "Stings" though, that was my wife's car

In the electronics division, various orginations as listed above however
substitute Popular Electronics (Back when it existed) would take a TV in
to various TV shops, not it had a bad part in it, they knew cause they
made it bad... They sprayed it with ultraviolet paint

After they got it back, sometimes with the $2.49 part replaced, other
times with a very long list of repaired parts.. They UVed it

In each and every case only the bad part had been replaced, the hundred
or so dollars worth of other stuff was not repalced

Note, Pop Electronics went out of business like 30 years ago so you know
that today that 100 worth of unneeded parts not replaced would be 500 to
1000

So, why am I telling you this?

1: To warn you about repairs you pay for (this does not apply to warranty)

2: A quick spritz with UV paint before you send it out (note you can
spray into a vent for cases you do not wish to open, use non-conductive
paint UNPLUG before spraying, a day (or more) before

and then black light upon reciept (you will have to open up here)


Also DNNA said if you break the seal, they won't fix it (Breaking the
seal voids warranty by the way)

Thus, if you marked an internal part.... You might not get it back fixed

(Note, I do not see them turning down a repair fee just because you did
a drive upgrade... that would not make sense)

--
John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
Diabetic? http://community.compuserve.com/diabetes
Anonymous
July 14, 2005 9:44:22 PM

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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:44:21 GMT, John in Detroit
<Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Margaret Wilson wrote:
>> "Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>> news:2hvcd1tvi1qkujfi4k70nrrt9mt5bgs2d2@4ax.com...
>>
>>>I'd like to know if you find that mark when you get it back.
>>>
>>>They could try to duplicate those marks too, but are probably too lazy
>>>to do it.
>>
>>
>> Too lazy? I can't imagine any repair shop examining the box to duplicate
>> any identifying marks put there by the owner. More likely they're too busy
>> doing the repairs.
>
>One common "Scam" in the business world today is the repair scam. now
>this scam is common in automotive, home, and electronic repair.
>
>It consists of charging for repairs and parts not needed or replaced
>
>I do not know of any examples of home repair "Stings" but I do know both
>auto and electronic
>

I seem to remember something about using a hidden camera to watch
people working on thier A/C. I still think I get better service if I
watch.

[snip]

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
July 14, 2005 10:08:22 PM

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I really think you need another layer of tin-foil on your head cause this is
just getting idiotic.

"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
news:2hvcd1tvi1qkujfi4k70nrrt9mt5bgs2d2@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:40:31 GMT, "BruceR" <brNOSPAM@hawaii.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Well, in another week or so we'll know for sure. They can flsh the ROM,
>>change the label or whatever else they want but I'll know for sure by
>>checking for the mark I etched on the bottom. But as I said before, as
>>long as I get back a 50xx machine I don't really care.
>>
>
> I'd like to know if you find that mark when you get it back.
>
> They could try to duplicate those marks too, but are probably too lazy
> to do it.
>
>>From:gfretwell@aol.com
>>gfretwell@aol.com
>>
>>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:06:00 -0500, Mark Lloyd
>>> <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Although there is a standard way to update flash memory on board. The
>>>> connections could be disguised as "test points".
>>>
>>> There is no hardware reason they couldn't upload a small utility to
>>> zap in new data, just like you flash the ROM on your PC.
>>
>
> --
> Mark Lloyd
> has a Replay 5xxx
> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>
> "The idea that there is an invisible being who
> created and still runs this old universe is so
> childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
> believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
> still fall for that scam."
July 14, 2005 10:08:23 PM

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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:08:22 GMT, "CheezWiz" <cw@here.not.there>
wrote:

>I really think you need another layer of tin-foil on your head cause this is
>just getting idiotic.
>

So, all idiocy comes from external sources? :-)

>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>news:2hvcd1tvi1qkujfi4k70nrrt9mt5bgs2d2@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:40:31 GMT, "BruceR" <brNOSPAM@hawaii.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Well, in another week or so we'll know for sure. They can flsh the ROM,
>>>change the label or whatever else they want but I'll know for sure by
>>>checking for the mark I etched on the bottom. But as I said before, as
>>>long as I get back a 50xx machine I don't really care.
>>>
>>
>> I'd like to know if you find that mark when you get it back.
>>
>> They could try to duplicate those marks too, but are probably too lazy
>> to do it.
>>
>>>From:gfretwell@aol.com
>>>gfretwell@aol.com
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:06:00 -0500, Mark Lloyd
>>>> <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Although there is a standard way to update flash memory on board. The
>>>>> connections could be disguised as "test points".
>>>>
>>>> There is no hardware reason they couldn't upload a small utility to
>>>> zap in new data, just like you flash the ROM on your PC.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Lloyd
>> has a Replay 5xxx
>> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>
>> "The idea that there is an invisible being who
>> created and still runs this old universe is so
>> childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
>> believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
>> still fall for that scam."
>
Anonymous
July 14, 2005 11:14:24 PM

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The marks consist of some random scratches and tape residue that would
be hard to "forge" even if they wanted to. DNNA, who's paying for the
shipping back to me, isn't making any money on the $35 they're charging.
It seems perfectly reasonable that they'll just open the unit, watch
what happens when they turn it on, swap out the hard drive and button it
up after doing a quick QC. I don't think there's any conspiracy there
to try and convert me to a 55xx. If they choose to send me a refurb
50xx that's cool too.

From:Mark Lloyd
mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx

> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:40:31 GMT, "BruceR" <brNOSPAM@hawaii.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, in another week or so we'll know for sure. They can flsh the
>> ROM, change the label or whatever else they want but I'll know for
>> sure by checking for the mark I etched on the bottom. But as I said
>> before, as long as I get back a 50xx machine I don't really care.
>>
>
> I'd like to know if you find that mark when you get it back.
>
> They could try to duplicate those marks too, but are probably too lazy
> to do it.
>
>> From:gfretwell@aol.com
>> gfretwell@aol.com
>>
>>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:06:00 -0500, Mark Lloyd
>>> <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Although there is a standard way to update flash memory on board.
>>>> The connections could be disguised as "test points".
>>>
>>> There is no hardware reason they couldn't upload a small utility to
>>> zap in new data, just like you flash the ROM on your PC.
>>
>
> --
> Mark Lloyd
> has a Replay 5xxx
> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>
> "The idea that there is an invisible being who
> created and still runs this old universe is so
> childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
> believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
> still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
July 15, 2005 2:05:36 AM

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>
> Networking has one major assumption. Two network cards cannot have the same
> MAC address. I don't know the extent that DNNA would have to go through to
> duplicate MAC addresses, but I'm pretty confident that if you get the same
> MAC address, you've got the same motherboard.
>
>
A simple check on Poopli will discover the problem of duplicate IVS
numbers. Hundreds/thousands of units had the same mac addresses. DNNA
offered to swap your unit, but mine was fixed online by one of the forum
members.
Anonymous
July 15, 2005 2:31:07 AM

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Mark Lloyd wrote:
> I seem to remember something about using a hidden camera to watch
> people working on thier A/C. I still think I get better service if I
> watch.

Yup, that is one of the ways they catch the scammers... 60 Minutes used
this method too... Pulled into a gas station and had the camera truck
nearby... The camera truck watched the attendent flatten the tire

OPPS, free tire, fired attendent, investigation time
--
John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
Diabetic? http://community.compuserve.com/diabetes
Anonymous
July 15, 2005 3:03:11 AM

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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:02:50 GMT, Peter Kelly
<disco@no-spam.satx.rr.com> wrote:

>gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:01:22 GMT, "BruceR" <brNOSPAM@hawaii.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Seems like that would be at least as much work as just swapping the bad
>>>drive though. As long as I get a 50xx back I don't really care though.
>>>I have no special attachment to the serial number or MAC.
>
>I've never actually been involved in programming MAC addresses, but I have
>been the guy responsible for programming _absolutlely_ *guaranteed* unique
>serial numbers.
>
>There was no access through any edge connector. Any reprogramming of these
>number involved disassembly and either
>1. A unique, product specific fixture for programming, or
>2. Soldering wires onto the board
>Knowing this, and also knowing that serial numbers were free, it's much
>easier to use the next serial number than try to re-program/re-use a
>number.
>
>Networking has one major assumption. Two network cards cannot have the same
>MAC address. I don't know the extent that DNNA would have to go through to
>duplicate MAC addresses, but I'm pretty confident that if you get the same
>MAC address, you've got the same motherboard.
>

Routers often have that feature (the ability to set a new MAC
address), and I've heard of software for doing it on a computer (maybe
there's software for the Replay too).

>Of course, different industry, so could be not applicable at all.
>>
>> If they are running out of good "hot spares" that is reasonable but I
>> am still not convinced there isn't a way to zap the flash ROM via the
>> ethernet port.
>> The people who actually do this stuff seem to be abiding by their
>> non-disclosure agreements quite well.

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
July 15, 2005 4:32:55 AM

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Yep, the CIA beams it right in!

hehe..

CW
"Jim" <jim@notaspam.sump> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:08:22 GMT, "CheezWiz" <cw@here.not.there>
> wrote:
>
>>I really think you need another layer of tin-foil on your head cause this
>>is
>>just getting idiotic.
>>
>
> So, all idiocy comes from external sources? :-)
>
>>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>>news:2hvcd1tvi1qkujfi4k70nrrt9mt5bgs2d2@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:40:31 GMT, "BruceR" <brNOSPAM@hawaii.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Well, in another week or so we'll know for sure. They can flsh the ROM,
>>>>change the label or whatever else they want but I'll know for sure by
>>>>checking for the mark I etched on the bottom. But as I said before, as
>>>>long as I get back a 50xx machine I don't really care.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to know if you find that mark when you get it back.
>>>
>>> They could try to duplicate those marks too, but are probably too lazy
>>> to do it.
>>>
>>>>From:gfretwell@aol.com
>>>>gfretwell@aol.com
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:06:00 -0500, Mark Lloyd
>>>>> <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Although there is a standard way to update flash memory on board. The
>>>>>> connections could be disguised as "test points".
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no hardware reason they couldn't upload a small utility to
>>>>> zap in new data, just like you flash the ROM on your PC.
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark Lloyd
>>> has a Replay 5xxx
>>> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>>
>>> "The idea that there is an invisible being who
>>> created and still runs this old universe is so
>>> childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
>>> believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
>>> still fall for that scam."
>>
>
Anonymous
July 15, 2005 4:32:56 AM

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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:32:55 GMT, "CheezWiz" <cw@here.not.there>
wrote:

>Yep, the CIA beams it right in!
>

I guess they WOULD find that useful.

:-) (hopefully)

>hehe..
>
>CW
>"Jim" <jim@notaspam.sump> wrote in message
>news:4qcdd115gietrbh4adrkoa584m9nev3bjp@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:08:22 GMT, "CheezWiz" <cw@here.not.there>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I really think you need another layer of tin-foil on your head cause this
>>>is
>>>just getting idiotic.
>>>
>>
>> So, all idiocy comes from external sources? :-)
>>
>>>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>>>news:2hvcd1tvi1qkujfi4k70nrrt9mt5bgs2d2@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:40:31 GMT, "BruceR" <brNOSPAM@hawaii.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Well, in another week or so we'll know for sure. They can flsh the ROM,
>>>>>change the label or whatever else they want but I'll know for sure by
>>>>>checking for the mark I etched on the bottom. But as I said before, as
>>>>>long as I get back a 50xx machine I don't really care.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to know if you find that mark when you get it back.
>>>>
>>>> They could try to duplicate those marks too, but are probably too lazy
>>>> to do it.
>>>>
>>>>>From:gfretwell@aol.com
>>>>>gfretwell@aol.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:06:00 -0500, Mark Lloyd
>>>>>> <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Although there is a standard way to update flash memory on board. The
>>>>>>> connections could be disguised as "test points".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no hardware reason they couldn't upload a small utility to
>>>>>> zap in new data, just like you flash the ROM on your PC.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Lloyd
>>>> has a Replay 5xxx
>>>> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>>>
>>>> "The idea that there is an invisible being who
>>>> created and still runs this old universe is so
>>>> childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
>>>> believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
>>>> still fall for that scam."
>>>
>>
>

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
July 15, 2005 3:17:27 PM

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My router can "clone" the MAC address of the DSK modem sitting behind it,
but I can't set my own. The cloning feature is for use with services that
expect to see a certain MAC address or they turn off your service.

Regards,

Margaret

"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
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>
> Routers often have that feature (the ability to set a new MAC
> address), and I've heard of software for doing it on a computer (maybe
> there's software for the Replay too).
Anonymous
July 15, 2005 4:12:25 PM

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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:17:27 -0400, "Margaret Wilson"
<twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote:

>My router can "clone" the MAC address of the DSK modem sitting behind it,
>but I can't set my own.

My router will allow any MAC address to be set. I used it once to make
my new router (also a Linksys) look like the old one.

BTW, by "DSK" do you mean "DSL"? If it was "DSK", I've heard that term
used with 300-baud modems, but not since then.

> The cloning feature is for use with services that
>expect to see a certain MAC address or they turn off your service.
>

I'm glad I don't have one of those. I don't care for the unnecessary
interferance with MY network.

>Regards,
>
>Margaret
>
>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>news:g9ded1p1pgujh1lf1t96rqqd9vf8tu835r@4ax.com...
>>
>> Routers often have that feature (the ability to set a new MAC
>> address), and I've heard of software for doing it on a computer (maybe
>> there's software for the Replay too).
>

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
July 15, 2005 6:23:54 PM

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Sorry, DSK was a typo. I did indeed mean to type DSL. Pardon my goof, I'm
trying to get used to my first pair of bifocals, and I'm finding they don't
work so well at the computer.... :-)

I'm fortunate, too, in that my DSL provider doesn't insist on seeing the MAC
address of their modem. So my Linksys router (original BEFSR41) happily
uses its own MAC address. TMK, I have the latest firmware, haven't checked
if it allows me to change the MAC address or not. I also own a WRT54G, but
I use that as a switch and access point only, as it doesn't support traffic
logging like the BEFSR41.

Regards,

Margaret

"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
news:9drfd1dfgshhbbvlf9ahc6h8fbga79mtid@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:17:27 -0400, "Margaret Wilson"
> <twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote:
>
>>My router can "clone" the MAC address of the DSK modem sitting behind it,
>>but I can't set my own.
>
> My router will allow any MAC address to be set. I used it once to make
> my new router (also a Linksys) look like the old one.
>
> BTW, by "DSK" do you mean "DSL"? If it was "DSK", I've heard that term
> used with 300-baud modems, but not since then.
>
>> The cloning feature is for use with services that
>>expect to see a certain MAC address or they turn off your service.
>>
>
> I'm glad I don't have one of those. I don't care for the unnecessary
> interferance with MY network.
>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Margaret
>>
>>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>>news:g9ded1p1pgujh1lf1t96rqqd9vf8tu835r@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> Routers often have that feature (the ability to set a new MAC
>>> address), and I've heard of software for doing it on a computer (maybe
>>> there's software for the Replay too).
>>
>
> --
> Mark Lloyd
> has a Replay 5xxx
> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>
> "The idea that there is an invisible being who
> created and still runs this old universe is so
> childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
> believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
> still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
July 15, 2005 7:04:53 PM

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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:23:54 -0400, "Margaret Wilson"
<twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote:

>Sorry, DSK was a typo. I did indeed mean to type DSL. Pardon my goof, I'm
>trying to get used to my first pair of bifocals, and I'm finding they don't
>work so well at the computer.... :-)
>
>I'm fortunate, too, in that my DSL provider doesn't insist on seeing the MAC
>address of their modem. So my Linksys router (original BEFSR41) happily
>uses its own MAC address. TMK, I have the latest firmware, haven't checked
>if it allows me to change the MAC address or not. I also own a WRT54G, but
>I use that as a switch and access point only, as it doesn't support traffic
>logging like the BEFSR41.
>
>Regards,
>
>Margaret
>

Is your modem also a router? Otherwise, the Modem's MAC address is
something different from the router's MAC address. These are 2
different peices of hardware and there would be problems if they had
the same address.

>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>news:9drfd1dfgshhbbvlf9ahc6h8fbga79mtid@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:17:27 -0400, "Margaret Wilson"
>> <twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>My router can "clone" the MAC address of the DSK modem sitting behind it,
>>>but I can't set my own.
>>
>> My router will allow any MAC address to be set. I used it once to make
>> my new router (also a Linksys) look like the old one.
>>
>> BTW, by "DSK" do you mean "DSL"? If it was "DSK", I've heard that term
>> used with 300-baud modems, but not since then.
>>
>>> The cloning feature is for use with services that
>>>expect to see a certain MAC address or they turn off your service.
>>>
>>
>> I'm glad I don't have one of those. I don't care for the unnecessary
>> interferance with MY network.
>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Margaret
>>>
>>>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>>>news:g9ded1p1pgujh1lf1t96rqqd9vf8tu835r@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> Routers often have that feature (the ability to set a new MAC
>>>> address), and I've heard of software for doing it on a computer (maybe
>>>> there's software for the Replay too).
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Lloyd
>> has a Replay 5xxx
>> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>
>> "The idea that there is an invisible being who
>> created and still runs this old universe is so
>> childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
>> believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
>> still fall for that scam."
>

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
July 15, 2005 10:09:22 PM

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DSL modem is also a router, yes. But the router functions have been
disabled according to what my ISP told me several years ago when I got it.
They prefer to be rather "closed-mouth" about "their" devices (I paid $200
for it!). So I never pursued the matter further. The modem gets its IP
address via DHCP, so I use dyndns.org and a little program called "Direct
Update" that automatically registers a new IP address with my hostname. (I
think my IP address has only changed twice in all the years I've had the
service though.) Behind my router, I have turned off DHCP and use static
IPs only. Also I've turned off Netbios over TCP/IP and use hosts files on
my machines.

BTW, I'm aware that my Linksys routers have two MAC addresses, one for the
LAN side and the other for the WAN (Internet) side.... (Computer networking
is my business.)

Regards,

Margaret

"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
news:8h5gd1pg866bc6bvu1f5d0etb34qq83v1t@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:23:54 -0400, "Margaret Wilson"
> <twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote:
>
>>Sorry, DSK was a typo. I did indeed mean to type DSL. Pardon my goof,
>>I'm
>>trying to get used to my first pair of bifocals, and I'm finding they
>>don't
>>work so well at the computer.... :-)
>>
>>I'm fortunate, too, in that my DSL provider doesn't insist on seeing the
>>MAC
>>address of their modem. So my Linksys router (original BEFSR41) happily
>>uses its own MAC address. TMK, I have the latest firmware, haven't
>>checked
>>if it allows me to change the MAC address or not. I also own a WRT54G,
>>but
>>I use that as a switch and access point only, as it doesn't support
>>traffic
>>logging like the BEFSR41.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Margaret
>>
>
> Is your modem also a router? Otherwise, the Modem's MAC address is
> something different from the router's MAC address. These are 2
> different peices of hardware and there would be problems if they had
> the same address.
>
>>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>>news:9drfd1dfgshhbbvlf9ahc6h8fbga79mtid@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:17:27 -0400, "Margaret Wilson"
>>> <twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>My router can "clone" the MAC address of the DSK modem sitting behind
>>>>it,
>>>>but I can't set my own.
>>>
>>> My router will allow any MAC address to be set. I used it once to make
>>> my new router (also a Linksys) look like the old one.
>>>
>>> BTW, by "DSK" do you mean "DSL"? If it was "DSK", I've heard that term
>>> used with 300-baud modems, but not since then.
>>>
>>>> The cloning feature is for use with services that
>>>>expect to see a certain MAC address or they turn off your service.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm glad I don't have one of those. I don't care for the unnecessary
>>> interferance with MY network.
>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>Margaret
>>>>
>>>>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>>>>news:g9ded1p1pgujh1lf1t96rqqd9vf8tu835r@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> Routers often have that feature (the ability to set a new MAC
>>>>> address), and I've heard of software for doing it on a computer (maybe
>>>>> there's software for the Replay too).
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark Lloyd
>>> has a Replay 5xxx
>>> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>>
>>> "The idea that there is an invisible being who
>>> created and still runs this old universe is so
>>> childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
>>> believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
>>> still fall for that scam."
>>
>
> --
> Mark Lloyd
> has a Replay 5xxx
> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>
> "The idea that there is an invisible being who
> created and still runs this old universe is so
> childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
> believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
> still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
July 15, 2005 11:00:03 PM

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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:09:22 -0400, "Margaret Wilson"
<twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote:

>DSL modem is also a router, yes. But the router functions have been
>disabled according to what my ISP told me several years ago when I got it.
>They prefer to be rather "closed-mouth" about "their" devices (I paid $200
>for it!).

And it's still "theirs". I bought my modem, and don't really like that
the ISP has more control over it than I do.

>So I never pursued the matter further. The modem gets its IP
>address via DHCP, so I use dyndns.org and a little program called "Direct
>Update" that automatically registers a new IP address with my hostname. (I
>think my IP address has only changed twice in all the years I've had the
>service though.) Behind my router, I have turned off DHCP and use static
>IPs only. Also I've turned off Netbios over TCP/IP and use hosts files on
>my machines.
>

My situation is similar (IP changing only occaisionally). Could you
tell me more about your experience with dyndns.org? Is it like a lot
of free services that make you advertise?

>BTW, I'm aware that my Linksys routers have two MAC addresses, one for the
>LAN side and the other for the WAN (Internet) side.... (Computer networking
>is my business.)
>

OK, maybe that explains it. Ordinarily a modem will have just one MAC.
Maybe your modem is still acting as a router in that way (has 2 MACs).
I guess you must be using the WAN MAC. That still looks strange, but
at least it should work.

>Regards,
>
>Margaret
>
>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>news:8h5gd1pg866bc6bvu1f5d0etb34qq83v1t@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:23:54 -0400, "Margaret Wilson"
>> <twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Sorry, DSK was a typo. I did indeed mean to type DSL. Pardon my goof,
>>>I'm
>>>trying to get used to my first pair of bifocals, and I'm finding they
>>>don't
>>>work so well at the computer.... :-)
>>>
>>>I'm fortunate, too, in that my DSL provider doesn't insist on seeing the
>>>MAC
>>>address of their modem. So my Linksys router (original BEFSR41) happily
>>>uses its own MAC address. TMK, I have the latest firmware, haven't
>>>checked
>>>if it allows me to change the MAC address or not. I also own a WRT54G,
>>>but
>>>I use that as a switch and access point only, as it doesn't support
>>>traffic
>>>logging like the BEFSR41.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Margaret
>>>
>>
>> Is your modem also a router? Otherwise, the Modem's MAC address is
>> something different from the router's MAC address. These are 2
>> different peices of hardware and there would be problems if they had
>> the same address.
>>
>>>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>>>news:9drfd1dfgshhbbvlf9ahc6h8fbga79mtid@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:17:27 -0400, "Margaret Wilson"
>>>> <twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>My router can "clone" the MAC address of the DSK modem sitting behind
>>>>>it,
>>>>>but I can't set my own.
>>>>
>>>> My router will allow any MAC address to be set. I used it once to make
>>>> my new router (also a Linksys) look like the old one.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, by "DSK" do you mean "DSL"? If it was "DSK", I've heard that term
>>>> used with 300-baud modems, but not since then.
>>>>
>>>>> The cloning feature is for use with services that
>>>>>expect to see a certain MAC address or they turn off your service.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad I don't have one of those. I don't care for the unnecessary
>>>> interferance with MY network.
>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>Margaret
>>>>>
>>>>>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>>>>>news:g9ded1p1pgujh1lf1t96rqqd9vf8tu835r@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Routers often have that feature (the ability to set a new MAC
>>>>>> address), and I've heard of software for doing it on a computer (maybe
>>>>>> there's software for the Replay too).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Lloyd
>>>> has a Replay 5xxx
>>>> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>>>
>>>> "The idea that there is an invisible being who
>>>> created and still runs this old universe is so
>>>> childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
>>>> believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
>>>> still fall for that scam."
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Lloyd
>> has a Replay 5xxx
>> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>
>> "The idea that there is an invisible being who
>> created and still runs this old universe is so
>> childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
>> believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
>> still fall for that scam."
>

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
July 15, 2005 11:00:04 PM

Archived from groups: alt.video.ptv.replaytv (More info?)

Mark Lloyd <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:
>My situation is similar (IP changing only occaisionally). Could you
>tell me more about your experience with dyndns.org? Is it like a lot of
>free services that make you advertise?

dyndns.org just lets you setup a sub domain DNS entry to point to any
IP address you want. So you can configure your applications to use
example.gotdns.com (or one of their other TLDs), and if you have things
properly setup, the fact your IP address changes occasionally should be
mostly transparent to the applications.

They don't require any advertising for their free level of service.
About the only drawback I've run into is the free service will disappear
if you don't refresh or change the IP address at least once every 35
days. Not much of a problem so long as you log into their webpage once a
month and just refresh your entry.

FWIW: The WRT-54G can be configured to update the dyndns.org entry
whenever your IP address changes. At least, it claims to be able to.
For whatever reason, my dynamic IP address that I have with my cable
provider hasn't changed in the year+ that I've had it, so I don't know
if this feature actually works.

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Anonymous
July 16, 2005 3:17:03 AM

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Mark, it seems that Bruce and Scott have done a great job of explaining the
virtues of dyndns.org. I have just a little more to add. See comments
below.

"Scott Seligman" <seligman@example.com> wrote in message
news:D b9noq$het$1@panix3.panix.com...
>
> ... <brief discussion of dyndns.org>
> They don't require any advertising for their free level of service.
> About the only drawback I've run into is the free service will disappear
> if you don't refresh or change the IP address at least once every 35
> days. Not much of a problem so long as you log into their webpage once a
> month and just refresh your entry.

This is one reason I use DirectUpdate. (It's shareware, not very expensive,
but I purchased it before routers could handle dynamic DNS services.)
Anyway, DirectUpdate takes care of the required "refresh," so I can
completely forget about the fact that my DSL connection has a dynamic IP
address.

Regards,

Margaret
Anonymous
July 16, 2005 5:19:52 AM

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dyndys.org is a free service that does not make you advertise anything
nor make you view ads. If you go to their site, dyndys.org, you'll be
able to get all the details right from the source. It's a very reliable
service as is www.no-ip.com which does the same thing. dyndys.org,
however, has native support in a number of routers.

From:Mark Lloyd
mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx

> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:09:22 -0400, "Margaret Wilson"
> <twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote:
>
>> DSL modem is also a router, yes. But the router functions have been
>> disabled according to what my ISP told me several years ago when I
>> got it. They prefer to be rather "closed-mouth" about "their"
>> devices (I paid $200 for it!).
>
> And it's still "theirs". I bought my modem, and don't really like that
> the ISP has more control over it than I do.
>
>> So I never pursued the matter further. The modem gets its IP
>> address via DHCP, so I use dyndns.org and a little program called
>> "Direct Update" that automatically registers a new IP address with
>> my hostname. (I think my IP address has only changed twice in all
>> the years I've had the service though.) Behind my router, I have
>> turned off DHCP and use static IPs only. Also I've turned off
>> Netbios over TCP/IP and use hosts files on my machines.
>>
>
> My situation is similar (IP changing only occaisionally). Could you
> tell me more about your experience with dyndns.org? Is it like a lot
> of free services that make you advertise?
>
>> BTW, I'm aware that my Linksys routers have two MAC addresses, one
>> for the LAN side and the other for the WAN (Internet) side....
>> (Computer networking is my business.)
>>
>
> OK, maybe that explains it. Ordinarily a modem will have just one MAC.
> Maybe your modem is still acting as a router in that way (has 2 MACs).
> I guess you must be using the WAN MAC. That still looks strange, but
> at least it should work.
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>> "Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>> news:8h5gd1pg866bc6bvu1f5d0etb34qq83v1t@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:23:54 -0400, "Margaret Wilson"
>>> <twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry, DSK was a typo. I did indeed mean to type DSL. Pardon my
>>>> goof, I'm
>>>> trying to get used to my first pair of bifocals, and I'm finding
>>>> they don't
>>>> work so well at the computer.... :-)
>>>>
>>>> I'm fortunate, too, in that my DSL provider doesn't insist on
>>>> seeing the MAC
>>>> address of their modem. So my Linksys router (original BEFSR41)
>>>> happily uses its own MAC address. TMK, I have the latest
>>>> firmware, haven't checked
>>>> if it allows me to change the MAC address or not. I also own a
>>>> WRT54G, but
>>>> I use that as a switch and access point only, as it doesn't support
>>>> traffic
>>>> logging like the BEFSR41.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Margaret
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is your modem also a router? Otherwise, the Modem's MAC address is
>>> something different from the router's MAC address. These are 2
>>> different peices of hardware and there would be problems if they had
>>> the same address.
>>>
>>>> "Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:9drfd1dfgshhbbvlf9ahc6h8fbga79mtid@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:17:27 -0400, "Margaret Wilson"
>>>>> <twokatmew@nospam.msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My router can "clone" the MAC address of the DSK modem sitting
>>>>>> behind it,
>>>>>> but I can't set my own.
>>>>>
>>>>> My router will allow any MAC address to be set. I used it once to
>>>>> make my new router (also a Linksys) look like the old one.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, by "DSK" do you mean "DSL"? If it was "DSK", I've heard that
>>>>> term used with 300-baud modems, but not since then.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The cloning feature is for use with services that
>>>>>> expect to see a certain MAC address or they turn off your
>>>>>> service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm glad I don't have one of those. I don't care for the
>>>>> unnecessary interferance with MY network.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Margaret
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:g9ded1p1pgujh1lf1t96rqqd9vf8tu835r@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Routers often have that feature (the ability to set a new MAC
>>>>>>> address), and I've heard of software for doing it on a computer
>>>>>>> (maybe there's software for the Replay too).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mark Lloyd
>>>>> has a Replay 5xxx
>>>>> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>>>>
>>>>> "The idea that there is an invisible being who
>>>>> created and still runs this old universe is so
>>>>> childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
>>>>> believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
>>>>> still fall for that scam."
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark Lloyd
>>> has a Replay 5xxx
>>> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>>
>>> "The idea that there is an invisible being who
>>> created and still runs this old universe is so
>>> childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
>>> believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
>>> still fall for that scam."
>>
>
> --
> Mark Lloyd
> has a Replay 5xxx
> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>
> "The idea that there is an invisible being who
> created and still runs this old universe is so
> childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
> believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
> still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
July 16, 2005 8:00:39 AM

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rotflmao 8)
"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
news:m5ded1ppbhfp82mjmcv7g7vrd9ilnpa4h7@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:32:55 GMT, "CheezWiz" <cw@here.not.there>
> wrote:
>
>>Yep, the CIA beams it right in!
>>
>
> I guess they WOULD find that useful.
>
> :-) (hopefully)
>
>>hehe..
>>
>>CW
>>"Jim" <jim@notaspam.sump> wrote in message
>>news:4qcdd115gietrbh4adrkoa584m9nev3bjp@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:08:22 GMT, "CheezWiz" <cw@here.not.there>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I really think you need another layer of tin-foil on your head cause
>>>>this
>>>>is
>>>>just getting idiotic.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So, all idiocy comes from external sources? :-)
>>>
>>>>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>>>>news:2hvcd1tvi1qkujfi4k70nrrt9mt5bgs2d2@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:40:31 GMT, "BruceR" <brNOSPAM@hawaii.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, in another week or so we'll know for sure. They can flsh the
>>>>>>ROM,
>>>>>>change the label or whatever else they want but I'll know for sure by
>>>>>>checking for the mark I etched on the bottom. But as I said before, as
>>>>>>long as I get back a 50xx machine I don't really care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to know if you find that mark when you get it back.
>>>>>
>>>>> They could try to duplicate those marks too, but are probably too lazy
>>>>> to do it.
>>>>>
>>>>>>From:gfretwell@aol.com
>>>>>>gfretwell@aol.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:06:00 -0500, Mark Lloyd
>>>>>>> <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Although there is a standard way to update flash memory on board.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> connections could be disguised as "test points".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no hardware reason they couldn't upload a small utility to
>>>>>>> zap in new data, just like you flash the ROM on your PC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mark Lloyd
>>>>> has a Replay 5xxx
>>>>> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>>>>
>>>>> "The idea that there is an invisible being who
>>>>> created and still runs this old universe is so
>>>>> childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
>>>>> believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
>>>>> still fall for that scam."
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Mark Lloyd
> has a Replay 5xxx
> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>
> "The idea that there is an invisible being who
> created and still runs this old universe is so
> childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
> believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
> still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
July 17, 2005 3:06:15 AM

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Gee, on my router when it says "Clone" it means "Copy to clipboard" so
that I don't have to keep re-typing in the mac address every time I wish
to assign a filter or IP address or some other stuff... It's just
"cloning" the address to the blanks on the screen, nothing more

Margaret Wilson wrote:
> My router can "clone" the MAC address of the DSK modem sitting behind it,
> but I can't set my own. The cloning feature is for use with services that
> expect to see a certain MAC address or they turn off your service.
>
> Regards,
>
> Margaret
>
> "Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
> news:g9ded1p1pgujh1lf1t96rqqd9vf8tu835r@4ax.com...
>
>>Routers often have that feature (the ability to set a new MAC
>>address), and I've heard of software for doing it on a computer (maybe
>>there's software for the Replay too).
>
>
>

--
John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
Diabetic? http://community.compuserve.com/diabetes
Anonymous
July 17, 2005 3:06:16 AM

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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:06:15 GMT, John in Detroit
<Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Gee, on my router when it says "Clone" it means "Copy to clipboard" so
>that I don't have to keep re-typing in the mac address every time I wish
>to assign a filter or IP address or some other stuff... It's just
>"cloning" the address to the blanks on the screen, nothing more
>

I just checked my router setup screen again. It has a tab labeled "MAC
addr., clone". Selecting this tab gives a row (labeled "User Defined
WAN MAC Address") of 6 boxes you can then enter (2-digit hex) numbers
into.

My ISP assigns a WAN IP besed on the MAC address. When I had to
replace my router (the old one was a Linksys too), I wanted to keep
the same IP so I used this tab to set the new router to use that MAC.

According to the manual, this feature is meant to be used if you have
an ISP that requires registration of your MAC and you just had it
connected to one computer (so it was a MAC from a NIC), and are you
adding a router.

My ISP does not require that registration (just the MAC of the modem),
but I wanted to do this for another reason (see above).

>Margaret Wilson wrote:
>> My router can "clone" the MAC address of the DSK modem sitting behind it,
>> but I can't set my own. The cloning feature is for use with services that
>> expect to see a certain MAC address or they turn off your service.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>> "Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>> news:g9ded1p1pgujh1lf1t96rqqd9vf8tu835r@4ax.com...
>>
>>>Routers often have that feature (the ability to set a new MAC
>>>address), and I've heard of software for doing it on a computer (maybe
>>>there's software for the Replay too).
>>
>>
>>

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
July 17, 2005 3:06:17 AM

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John, Mark's explanation of MAC address "cloning" is correct. It's not
uncommon for ISPs to expect to see the MAC address of their modem for a
subscriber to get a live connection. In such cases, MAC address cloning is
the only way to use a router. What brand/model is your router? That
manufacturer is misusing the term "clone," where they should be using
something more like "copy" and "paste."

Another example: My ISP uses DHCP. If I replace my router, I get a
different IP address from my ISP, because the new router has a different MAC
address. If I want to keep my existing IP address, I could use the "clone"
feature to have the new router use the MAC address of the retired router.
This way, my ISP doesn't realize I've changed routers.

Regards,

Margaret


"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
news:4icjd1tqenjj1qqlkv0nndb8a1obp1a8l5@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:06:15 GMT, John in Detroit
> <Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>Gee, on my router when it says "Clone" it means "Copy to clipboard" so
>>that I don't have to keep re-typing in the mac address every time I wish
>>to assign a filter or IP address or some other stuff... It's just
>>"cloning" the address to the blanks on the screen, nothing more
>>
>
> I just checked my router setup screen again. It has a tab labeled "MAC
> addr., clone". Selecting this tab gives a row (labeled "User Defined
> WAN MAC Address") of 6 boxes you can then enter (2-digit hex) numbers
> into.
>
> My ISP assigns a WAN IP besed on the MAC address. When I had to
> replace my router (the old one was a Linksys too), I wanted to keep
> the same IP so I used this tab to set the new router to use that MAC.
>
> According to the manual, this feature is meant to be used if you have
> an ISP that requires registration of your MAC and you just had it
> connected to one computer (so it was a MAC from a NIC), and are you
> adding a router.
>
> My ISP does not require that registration (just the MAC of the modem),
> but I wanted to do this for another reason (see above).
>
>>Margaret Wilson wrote:
>>> My router can "clone" the MAC address of the DSK modem sitting behind
>>> it,
>>> but I can't set my own. The cloning feature is for use with services
>>> that
>>> expect to see a certain MAC address or they turn off your service.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>> "Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>>> news:g9ded1p1pgujh1lf1t96rqqd9vf8tu835r@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>Routers often have that feature (the ability to set a new MAC
>>>>address), and I've heard of software for doing it on a computer (maybe
>>>>there's software for the Replay too).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> --
> Mark Lloyd
> has a Replay 5xxx
> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>
> "The idea that there is an invisible being who
> created and still runs this old universe is so
> childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
> believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
> still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
July 18, 2005 12:25:01 AM

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I am using either a D-link or Linksys (Depending on where I'm at) router
downstream (here) from a Speedstream modem. The ISP will see the
Speedstreem, it's the only device connected to the phone line (DSL)

The router is a seperate box... "CLONING" simply clones the information
to the boxes for use in filter set up or static IP assignment.

With the network I have the ISP sees a single computer, nothing more.
everythign goes through the router. The Modem is the one the ISP provided

Margaret Wilson wrote:
> John, Mark's explanation of MAC address "cloning" is correct. It's not
> uncommon for ISPs to expect to see the MAC address of their modem for a
> subscriber to get a live connection. In such cases, MAC address cloning is
> the only way to use a router. What brand/model is your router? That
> manufacturer is misusing the term "clone," where they should be using
> something more like "copy" and "paste."
>
> Another example: My ISP uses DHCP. If I replace my router, I get a
> different IP address from my ISP, because the new router has a different MAC
> address. If I want to keep my existing IP address, I could use the "clone"
> feature to have the new router use the MAC address of the retired router.
> This way, my ISP doesn't realize I've changed routers.
>
> Regards,
>
> Margaret
>
>
> "Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
> news:4icjd1tqenjj1qqlkv0nndb8a1obp1a8l5@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:06:15 GMT, John in Detroit
>><Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Gee, on my router when it says "Clone" it means "Copy to clipboard" so
>>>that I don't have to keep re-typing in the mac address every time I wish
>>>to assign a filter or IP address or some other stuff... It's just
>>>"cloning" the address to the blanks on the screen, nothing more
>>>
>>
>>I just checked my router setup screen again. It has a tab labeled "MAC
>>addr., clone". Selecting this tab gives a row (labeled "User Defined
>>WAN MAC Address") of 6 boxes you can then enter (2-digit hex) numbers
>>into.
>>
>>My ISP assigns a WAN IP besed on the MAC address. When I had to
>>replace my router (the old one was a Linksys too), I wanted to keep
>>the same IP so I used this tab to set the new router to use that MAC.
>>
>>According to the manual, this feature is meant to be used if you have
>>an ISP that requires registration of your MAC and you just had it
>>connected to one computer (so it was a MAC from a NIC), and are you
>>adding a router.
>>
>>My ISP does not require that registration (just the MAC of the modem),
>>but I wanted to do this for another reason (see above).
>>
>>
>>>Margaret Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>>My router can "clone" the MAC address of the DSK modem sitting behind
>>>>it,
>>>>but I can't set my own. The cloning feature is for use with services
>>>>that
>>>>expect to see a certain MAC address or they turn off your service.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>Margaret
>>>>
>>>>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>>>>news:g9ded1p1pgujh1lf1t96rqqd9vf8tu835r@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Routers often have that feature (the ability to set a new MAC
>>>>>address), and I've heard of software for doing it on a computer (maybe
>>>>>there's software for the Replay too).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>--
>>Mark Lloyd
>>has a Replay 5xxx
>>http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>
>>"The idea that there is an invisible being who
>>created and still runs this old universe is so
>>childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
>>believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
>>still fall for that scam."
>
>
>

--
John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
Diabetic? http://community.compuserve.com/diabetes
Anonymous
July 18, 2005 12:25:02 AM

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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:25:01 GMT, John in Detroit
<Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>I am using either a D-link or Linksys (Depending on where I'm at) router
> downstream (here) from a Speedstream modem. The ISP will see the
>Speedstreem, it's the only device connected to the phone line (DSL)
>
>The router is a seperate box... "CLONING" simply clones the information
>to the boxes for use in filter set up or static IP assignment.
>
>With the network I have the ISP sees a single computer, nothing more.

That's what NAT (in the router) does.

>everythign goes through the router. The Modem is the one the ISP provided
>

My modem is also ISP-provided, although i supposedly "bought:" it from
them.

By mentioning 2 devices, I was referring to the modem and the router.
Some ISP's (and it's good that doesn't include mine) require
registration of the BOTH of those MAC addresses. The router (at least
the WAN side) is considered part of the ISP's network.

The modem itself is considered a bridge, which converts between media
(such as between a DSL line and ethernet) and does not mark the end of
the public network (the router does that).

BTW, check the WAN IP (yes, I said IP not MAC) on your router. Is it a
local address or a public one? Note that if it's a public one it will
probably have the same most significant (leftmost) numbers as the DNS
server addresses. If you can't figure out why I asked this, I'll try
to explain later.

>Margaret Wilson wrote:
>> John, Mark's explanation of MAC address "cloning" is correct. It's not
>> uncommon for ISPs to expect to see the MAC address of their modem for a
>> subscriber to get a live connection. In such cases, MAC address cloning is
>> the only way to use a router. What brand/model is your router? That
>> manufacturer is misusing the term "clone," where they should be using
>> something more like "copy" and "paste."
>>
>> Another example: My ISP uses DHCP. If I replace my router, I get a
>> different IP address from my ISP, because the new router has a different MAC
>> address. If I want to keep my existing IP address, I could use the "clone"
>> feature to have the new router use the MAC address of the retired router.
>> This way, my ISP doesn't realize I've changed routers.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>>
>> "Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>> news:4icjd1tqenjj1qqlkv0nndb8a1obp1a8l5@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:06:15 GMT, John in Detroit
>>><Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Gee, on my router when it says "Clone" it means "Copy to clipboard" so
>>>>that I don't have to keep re-typing in the mac address every time I wish
>>>>to assign a filter or IP address or some other stuff... It's just
>>>>"cloning" the address to the blanks on the screen, nothing more
>>>>
>>>
>>>I just checked my router setup screen again. It has a tab labeled "MAC
>>>addr., clone". Selecting this tab gives a row (labeled "User Defined
>>>WAN MAC Address") of 6 boxes you can then enter (2-digit hex) numbers
>>>into.
>>>
>>>My ISP assigns a WAN IP besed on the MAC address. When I had to
>>>replace my router (the old one was a Linksys too), I wanted to keep
>>>the same IP so I used this tab to set the new router to use that MAC.
>>>
>>>According to the manual, this feature is meant to be used if you have
>>>an ISP that requires registration of your MAC and you just had it
>>>connected to one computer (so it was a MAC from a NIC), and are you
>>>adding a router.
>>>
>>>My ISP does not require that registration (just the MAC of the modem),
>>>but I wanted to do this for another reason (see above).
>>>
>>>
>>>>Margaret Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>My router can "clone" the MAC address of the DSK modem sitting behind
>>>>>it,
>>>>>but I can't set my own. The cloning feature is for use with services
>>>>>that
>>>>>expect to see a certain MAC address or they turn off your service.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>Margaret
>>>>>
>>>>>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>>>>>news:g9ded1p1pgujh1lf1t96rqqd9vf8tu835r@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Routers often have that feature (the ability to set a new MAC
>>>>>>address), and I've heard of software for doing it on a computer (maybe
>>>>>>there's software for the Replay too).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>--
>>>Mark Lloyd
>>>has a Replay 5xxx
>>>http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>>
>>>"The idea that there is an invisible being who
>>>created and still runs this old universe is so
>>>childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
>>>believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
>>>still fall for that scam."
>>
>>
>>

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
July 18, 2005 12:25:02 AM

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"John in Detroit" <Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:x8zCe.148$IG2.50@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
>
> The router is a seperate box... "CLONING" simply clones the information to
> the boxes for use in filter set up or static IP assignment.

Yes, of course the router is a separate box. If you go into the setup of a
Linksys BEFSR41 router, under the Advanced settings, there's another tab
labelled "MAC Addr Clone." On that page, there's room for one entry, and
it's labelled "User Defined WAN MAC Address." The Linksys WRT54G interface
is a little different, but functions the same way. Clearly we're not
talking about copying and pasting! If you'd like to read a whitepaper on
MAC address cloning, see the following:

http://www.atstake.com/research/reports/acrobat/mac_add...

Here's a screen capture of the WRT54G's MAC address clone page. It makes it
clear rather succinctly:

http://www.msu.edu/~mewilson/macaddrclone.jpg

> With the network I have the ISP sees a single computer, nothing more.
> everythign goes through the router. The Modem is the one the ISP
> provided

As Mark says, this is what a NAT does, and it's built into the router. NAT
allows us to have a private network behind the router (that's on the LAN
side), whereas the greater Internet (WAN side) sees one IP address only.

Regards,

Margaret
Anonymous
July 18, 2005 8:33:16 AM

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I have owned three routers.
One from Dlink, one from SMC, and one from Linksys..

All had the MAC cloning feature to allow you to fool the ISP into thinking
that the router is the computer that was originally hooked to it first.
(Unless you hooked up the router first)..

Your speedstream is the router in your situation. On some ISP's, the modem
acts as a bridge simply passing traffic to the MAC Address plugged into the
modem (Which gets the on network IP address), there were/are ISP's who make
you call if you plug in another device to the modem. At one point, our local
cable company wanted to charge anyone who used a router extra dough for
multiple connections. This Mac Address cloning feature was to get around
that.

Of course windows 2K and XP allow you to give your system any MAC Addy you
wish, so fooling the companies became easy that way also...

CW

"John in Detroit" <Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:x8zCe.148$IG2.50@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
>I am using either a D-link or Linksys (Depending on where I'm at) router
>downstream (here) from a Speedstream modem. The ISP will see the
>Speedstreem, it's the only device connected to the phone line (DSL)
>
> The router is a seperate box... "CLONING" simply clones the information to
> the boxes for use in filter set up or static IP assignment.
>
> With the network I have the ISP sees a single computer, nothing more.
> everythign goes through the router. The Modem is the one the ISP
> provided
>
> Margaret Wilson wrote:
>> John, Mark's explanation of MAC address "cloning" is correct. It's not
>> uncommon for ISPs to expect to see the MAC address of their modem for a
>> subscriber to get a live connection. In such cases, MAC address cloning
>> is the only way to use a router. What brand/model is your router? That
>> manufacturer is misusing the term "clone," where they should be using
>> something more like "copy" and "paste."
>>
>> Another example: My ISP uses DHCP. If I replace my router, I get a
>> different IP address from my ISP, because the new router has a different
>> MAC address. If I want to keep my existing IP address, I could use the
>> "clone" feature to have the new router use the MAC address of the retired
>> router. This way, my ISP doesn't realize I've changed routers.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>>
>> "Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>> news:4icjd1tqenjj1qqlkv0nndb8a1obp1a8l5@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:06:15 GMT, John in Detroit
>>><Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Gee, on my router when it says "Clone" it means "Copy to clipboard" so
>>>>that I don't have to keep re-typing in the mac address every time I wish
>>>>to assign a filter or IP address or some other stuff... It's just
>>>>"cloning" the address to the blanks on the screen, nothing more
>>>>
>>>
>>>I just checked my router setup screen again. It has a tab labeled "MAC
>>>addr., clone". Selecting this tab gives a row (labeled "User Defined
>>>WAN MAC Address") of 6 boxes you can then enter (2-digit hex) numbers
>>>into.
>>>
>>>My ISP assigns a WAN IP besed on the MAC address. When I had to
>>>replace my router (the old one was a Linksys too), I wanted to keep
>>>the same IP so I used this tab to set the new router to use that MAC.
>>>
>>>According to the manual, this feature is meant to be used if you have
>>>an ISP that requires registration of your MAC and you just had it
>>>connected to one computer (so it was a MAC from a NIC), and are you
>>>adding a router.
>>>
>>>My ISP does not require that registration (just the MAC of the modem),
>>>but I wanted to do this for another reason (see above).
>>>
>>>
>>>>Margaret Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>My router can "clone" the MAC address of the DSK modem sitting behind
>>>>>it,
>>>>>but I can't set my own. The cloning feature is for use with services
>>>>>that
>>>>>expect to see a certain MAC address or they turn off your service.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>Margaret
>>>>>
>>>>>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>>>>>news:g9ded1p1pgujh1lf1t96rqqd9vf8tu835r@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Routers often have that feature (the ability to set a new MAC
>>>>>>address), and I've heard of software for doing it on a computer (maybe
>>>>>>there's software for the Replay too).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>--
>>>Mark Lloyd
>>>has a Replay 5xxx
>>>http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>>
>>>"The idea that there is an invisible being who
>>>created and still runs this old universe is so
>>>childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
>>>believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
>>>still fall for that scam."
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
> "Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
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Anonymous
July 18, 2005 12:39:25 PM

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CheezWiz wrote:

> Your speedstream is the router in your situation. On some ISP's, the modem
> acts as a bridge simply passing traffic to the MAC Address plugged into the
> modem (Which gets the on network IP address), there were/are ISP's who make
> you call if you plug in another device to the modem. At one point, our local
> cable company wanted to charge anyone who used a router extra dough for
> multiple connections. This Mac Address cloning feature was to get around
> that.

No, the Router says "D-LINK" upon it. The Speedstream is just a modem

The Speedstream sees only the router, The router then Routes (Amazing
how it does that) the traffic to one of the computers connected to it
weather it be plugged in or not (it's a wireless router) or to the
switch, from which the router routes it to still more devices, I
currently have 5 things plugged in and will soon go to six (when I get
around to running the cable).. Or perhaps I'll move the switch and
simplify the cabeling (it would be much simpler)

But the router is very clearly the D-link, the modem was set up for one
and only one computer

Now, where I work we have a combined DSL modem/router, 4 LAN ports and
one "phone" port (The dsl side of the phone filter) That one is
different, and Since I can't "Get into" it (do not have the password)
there is not much I can tell you about it. I know the DSL here is set
up with four static addresses and the technician told me we could add
something like 252 more if we wished
--
John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
Diabetic? http://community.compuserve.com/diabetes
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