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Anonymous
September 13, 2005 12:03:05 AM

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I've read all the info on this whole scene and how the serial port
doesn't work on some models and has been inactivated by Directv on
others. My question is why doesn't ReplayTV offer IR control of these
boxes??? I can't believe that is hard for them to do. It is basically
like programming a universal remote and shoving into their database of
codes. They support all kinds of boxes, I don't get it.

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Anonymous
September 13, 2005 11:40:45 AM

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-On the legal front, I don't buy it. They have codes out there for
every major manufacturer and every universal remote uses the same
codes. Not an issue. There is no patent or copyright of IR codes.

-On not been able to figure out the codes- there is nothing to figure
out. You buy/borrow a remote and transfer the code. I can do it with my
Philips Pronto and software and turn them in the IR hex codes. As I
said, universal remotes support them and they got the codes from
somewhere.

-On the update front, that may well be true. However, I don't know how
you can plan to sell new product (which they are still in the stores
and on the web) if you aren't going to support a widely used device.
If they were no longer selling Replays, I would understand that as they
have no financial incentive. Now, anyone with Directv will buy the
DirectTivo.

I personally have the DirectTivo, but wanted to keep the ReplayTv I
already owned and use it with one of my extra receivers. I still like
the auto commercial skip and file sharing among other things. Now, it
is useless to me.

We can all see the way this is going: Tivo and ReplayTV are out of
luck. Cable companies and satellite providers are coming up with their
own hardware/software as they don't want to pay license fees. Directv
will have their own soon and that will probably put Tivo out of
business.

John in Detroit wrote:
> There are several reasons why Replay may not (yet) offer the codes.
>
> The simplest is they may not yet have them figured out. When a new
> device is introduced it takes time for Replay, or anyone else that uses
> a "Program by number" remote to figure it out.
>
> And Direct TV may have hired some fire breathing dragons (Opps, sorry
> cross NG post.. Those hang out in Anne McCaffery forums) Also known as
> LAWYERS to sue anyone who attempts to reverse engineer their remotes
> (That's the most complex reason)
>
> A somewhat more complex reason is the rumor I read here in this NG that
> they are not doing software upgrades on Replays any more.
>
> And lastly they may be out of memory.
>
> (The story about Fire breathing Dragons.. Anne wrote a short story some
> years ago, supposed to be a "one off" turned into over a dozen books and
> still refuses to go away, her son now has the authority to write more
> stories based on her fictional world of PERN... Those who try to write
> PERN stories, or sell PERN stuff w/o her permission find that Fire
> breathing Dragons do exist and they are her LAWYERS, Anne herself is a
> great lady and a fantastic person.. I've chatted with her on occasion,
> Once told her where I read that first story (High School Library) and
> she promptly told me how old I was.. She got it right too)
>
> michaeljc70@hotmail.com wrote:
> > I've read all the info on this whole scene and how the serial port
> > doesn't work on some models and has been inactivated by Directv on
> > others. My question is why doesn't ReplayTV offer IR control of these
> > boxes??? I can't believe that is hard for them to do. It is basically
> > like programming a universal remote and shoving into their database of
> > codes. They support all kinds of boxes, I don't get it.
> >
>
> --
> John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
> "Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
> Diabetic? http://community.compuserve.com/diabetes
Anonymous
September 13, 2005 11:43:26 AM

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There are several reasons why Replay may not (yet) offer the codes.

The simplest is they may not yet have them figured out. When a new
device is introduced it takes time for Replay, or anyone else that uses
a "Program by number" remote to figure it out.

And Direct TV may have hired some fire breathing dragons (Opps, sorry
cross NG post.. Those hang out in Anne McCaffery forums) Also known as
LAWYERS to sue anyone who attempts to reverse engineer their remotes
(That's the most complex reason)

A somewhat more complex reason is the rumor I read here in this NG that
they are not doing software upgrades on Replays any more.

And lastly they may be out of memory.

(The story about Fire breathing Dragons.. Anne wrote a short story some
years ago, supposed to be a "one off" turned into over a dozen books and
still refuses to go away, her son now has the authority to write more
stories based on her fictional world of PERN... Those who try to write
PERN stories, or sell PERN stuff w/o her permission find that Fire
breathing Dragons do exist and they are her LAWYERS, Anne herself is a
great lady and a fantastic person.. I've chatted with her on occasion,
Once told her where I read that first story (High School Library) and
she promptly told me how old I was.. She got it right too)

michaeljc70@hotmail.com wrote:
> I've read all the info on this whole scene and how the serial port
> doesn't work on some models and has been inactivated by Directv on
> others. My question is why doesn't ReplayTV offer IR control of these
> boxes??? I can't believe that is hard for them to do. It is basically
> like programming a universal remote and shoving into their database of
> codes. They support all kinds of boxes, I don't get it.
>

--
John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
Diabetic? http://community.compuserve.com/diabetes
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Anonymous
September 13, 2005 2:08:08 PM

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On 12 Sep 2005 20:03:05 -0700, michaeljc70@hotmail.com wrote:

>I've read all the info on this whole scene and how the serial port
>doesn't work on some models and has been inactivated by Directv on
>others. My question is why doesn't ReplayTV offer IR control of these
>boxes??? I can't believe that is hard for them to do. It is basically
>like programming a universal remote and shoving into their database of
>codes. They support all kinds of boxes, I don't get it.

Or Replay could offer a learning feature, something really essential
on a modern remote-control.
--
103 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
September 13, 2005 6:19:47 PM

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Yes, wouldn't even have to be "in" the remote. All you need is a
screen where you enter IR HEX values which is what they translate into.
All you need to enter is 0-9 and ENTER. They (or some technically
savy users) could post the codes on a website by manufacturer.
September 13, 2005 10:48:07 PM

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the easiest and most acceptable reason is

1) there are not many D10 owners who use ReplayTV to be any major concern
for ReplayTV, so a few customers are screwed in the eyes of ReplayTV, so
what?

and because of this,

2) ReplayTV doesn't want to spend any time & money in updating software for
existing machines so they can make a small percentage of people happy.

If a large number of ReplayTV subscribers quit because of this D10 issue,
they would do something about it right away. ReplayTV blames DTV and DTV
blames ReplayTV, its a win-win situation for both of them!


"John in Detroit" <Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:yqvVe.275$H62.233@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
> There are several reasons why Replay may not (yet) offer the codes.
>
> The simplest is they may not yet have them figured out. When a new device
> is introduced it takes time for Replay, or anyone else that uses a
> "Program by number" remote to figure it out.
>
> And Direct TV may have hired some fire breathing dragons (Opps, sorry
> cross NG post.. Those hang out in Anne McCaffery forums) Also known as
> LAWYERS to sue anyone who attempts to reverse engineer their remotes
> (That's the most complex reason)
>
> A somewhat more complex reason is the rumor I read here in this NG that
> they are not doing software upgrades on Replays any more.
>
> And lastly they may be out of memory.
>
> (The story about Fire breathing Dragons.. Anne wrote a short story some
> years ago, supposed to be a "one off" turned into over a dozen books and
> still refuses to go away, her son now has the authority to write more
> stories based on her fictional world of PERN... Those who try to write
> PERN stories, or sell PERN stuff w/o her permission find that Fire
> breathing Dragons do exist and they are her LAWYERS, Anne herself is a
> great lady and a fantastic person.. I've chatted with her on occasion,
> Once told her where I read that first story (High School Library) and she
> promptly told me how old I was.. She got it right too)
>
> michaeljc70@hotmail.com wrote:
>> I've read all the info on this whole scene and how the serial port
>> doesn't work on some models and has been inactivated by Directv on
>> others. My question is why doesn't ReplayTV offer IR control of these
>> boxes??? I can't believe that is hard for them to do. It is basically
>> like programming a universal remote and shoving into their database of
>> codes. They support all kinds of boxes, I don't get it.
>>
>
> --
> John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
> "Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
> Diabetic? http://community.compuserve.com/diabetes
Anonymous
September 13, 2005 10:52:47 PM

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On 13 Sep 2005 14:19:47 -0700, michaeljc70@hotmail.com wrote:

>Yes, wouldn't even have to be "in" the remote. All you need is a
>screen where you enter IR HEX values which is what they translate into.
>All you need to enter is 0-9 and ENTER. They (or some technically
>savy users) could post the codes on a website by manufacturer.

That'd be good for those who no longer have the original remote.
Otherwise, it would be better if you had a way to read them yourself.

Actually, it could be even better if the coding became standardized
and all device manufactures listed the codes on their websites.
--
103 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
September 14, 2005 11:02:52 AM

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Cheapest for ReplayTV and user:

ReplayTV has an IR sensor (for the remote) on the unit. Allow the user
to take their cable/satellite remote, point it at the Repaly unit and
press keys when prompted so that Repaly can capture and record the
signal.

Obviously, this is probably not something that can be easily added to
an existing unit.
Anonymous
September 14, 2005 11:06:31 AM

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Problem is this: I already bought a lifetime subscription. I can't go
somewhere else and they aren't out anything if I do. Of course, I can
and will sell the unit on eBay.

I find it hard to believe that Directv D10's are not out there in
abundance. Directv is huge. When people find out Replay doens't even
support them, that's a whole market gone. The D10 is the new standard
receiver for Directv.

As I said earlier, I think that Replay and Tivo are both dead.
Satellite/cable are coming up with their own technology to avoid
license fees. If they aren't affiliated with one of them, they are
dead. Even Tivo with it's Directv affiliation is dead after Directv
comes out with its own version.
Anonymous
September 14, 2005 2:52:41 PM

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On 14 Sep 2005 07:02:52 -0700, michaeljc70@hotmail.com wrote:

>Cheapest for ReplayTV and user:
>
>ReplayTV has an IR sensor (for the remote) on the unit. Allow the user
>to take their cable/satellite remote, point it at the Repaly unit and
>press keys when prompted so that Repaly can capture and record the
>signal.
>

The Replay's sensor may be connected to special hardware that won't
work with non-Replay codes.

A learning feature is something they should have considered at the
beginning. It's too useful to have left out.

>Obviously, this is probably not something that can be easily added to
>an existing unit.
--
102 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
September 14, 2005 6:21:37 PM

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That would be very nice, (a learning feature) but alas, I"m not sure how
practicl.. WOuld require a lot of "on screen" interaction

Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On 12 Sep 2005 20:03:05 -0700, michaeljc70@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>>I've read all the info on this whole scene and how the serial port
>>doesn't work on some models and has been inactivated by Directv on
>>others. My question is why doesn't ReplayTV offer IR control of these
>>boxes??? I can't believe that is hard for them to do. It is basically
>>like programming a universal remote and shoving into their database of
>>codes. They support all kinds of boxes, I don't get it.
>
>
> Or Replay could offer a learning feature, something really essential
> on a modern remote-control.

--
John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
Diabetic? http://community.compuserve.com/diabetes
Anonymous
September 14, 2005 6:21:38 PM

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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:21:37 GMT, John in Detroit
<Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>That would be very nice, (a learning feature) but alas, I"m not sure how
>practicl.. WOuld require a lot of "on screen" interaction
>

It shouldn't be too much. When you're asked to select the brand of
device to control, there'd be an option for "custom", then prompts to
press the number buttons on that device's control. Then, a few channel
selections would be made (for testing).

>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>> On 12 Sep 2005 20:03:05 -0700, michaeljc70@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I've read all the info on this whole scene and how the serial port
>>>doesn't work on some models and has been inactivated by Directv on
>>>others. My question is why doesn't ReplayTV offer IR control of these
>>>boxes??? I can't believe that is hard for them to do. It is basically
>>>like programming a universal remote and shoving into their database of
>>>codes. They support all kinds of boxes, I don't get it.
>>
>>
>> Or Replay could offer a learning feature, something really essential
>> on a modern remote-control.
--
102 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."
Anonymous
September 15, 2005 11:30:02 AM

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I mean if Replay intends on staying in business, I think they would
work on this as Directv is national rather than trying to support cable
box xyz from Acme cable company in Oklahoma.
September 15, 2005 3:55:25 PM

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there is a device you can buy that someone produced that allows you to use
the D10 on the ReplayTV.
http://www.replayfaqs.com/4DCGI/Detail_News_Display?ID=...

of course your other option is to get another receiver that supports
ReplayTV serial control and probably won't get upgraded by DTV (like an
older RCA model)


<michaeljc70@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126706791.497991.250540@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Problem is this: I already bought a lifetime subscription. I can't go
> somewhere else and they aren't out anything if I do. Of course, I can
> and will sell the unit on eBay.
>
> I find it hard to believe that Directv D10's are not out there in
> abundance. Directv is huge. When people find out Replay doens't even
> support them, that's a whole market gone. The D10 is the new standard
> receiver for Directv.
>
> As I said earlier, I think that Replay and Tivo are both dead.
> Satellite/cable are coming up with their own technology to avoid
> license fees. If they aren't affiliated with one of them, they are
> dead. Even Tivo with it's Directv affiliation is dead after Directv
> comes out with its own version.
>
Anonymous
September 15, 2005 9:04:00 PM

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On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:55:25 -0400, "Me" <Me@Me.com> wrote:

>there is a device you can buy that someone produced that allows you to use
>the D10 on the ReplayTV.
>http://www.replayfaqs.com/4DCGI/Detail_News_Display?ID=...
>
>of course your other option is to get another receiver that supports
>ReplayTV serial control and probably won't get upgraded by DTV (like an
>older RCA model)
>

Both of my DTV-connected Replays use RCA DRD420RE receivers. They're
new enough to get all the channels ( that is if you don't need the 4th
satellite that's used for a few locals markets ) and old enough to be
easily controlled through the serial port.

>
><michaeljc70@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1126706791.497991.250540@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Problem is this: I already bought a lifetime subscription. I can't go
>> somewhere else and they aren't out anything if I do. Of course, I can
>> and will sell the unit on eBay.
>>
>> I find it hard to believe that Directv D10's are not out there in
>> abundance. Directv is huge. When people find out Replay doens't even
>> support them, that's a whole market gone. The D10 is the new standard
>> receiver for Directv.
>>
>> As I said earlier, I think that Replay and Tivo are both dead.
>> Satellite/cable are coming up with their own technology to avoid
>> license fees. If they aren't affiliated with one of them, they are
>> dead. Even Tivo with it's Directv affiliation is dead after Directv
>> comes out with its own version.
>>
>
--
101 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."
September 16, 2005 3:17:10 PM

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True, but when is the last time ReplayTV has updated software on the
machines? There are new hardware devices being introduced daily by other
companies, and I don't think they have added remote codes to the database
for a long time...


<michaeljc70@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126794602.798828.206890@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>I mean if Replay intends on staying in business, I think they would
> work on this as Directv is national rather than trying to support cable
> box xyz from Acme cable company in Oklahoma.
>
!