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Anonymous
September 15, 2005 1:30:58 PM

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Need to record specific local news programs M-F and S-S, same time,
every day. Only use for the system. Will any ReplayTV rigs permit
recording without a subscription?

Thank you kindly.

More about : recording subscription

Anonymous
September 15, 2005 11:29:18 PM

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John Bartley wrote:
> Need to record specific local news programs M-F and S-S, same time,
> every day. Only use for the system. Will any ReplayTV rigs permit
> recording without a subscription?
>
> Thank you kindly.
>
Yes -- The original Panasonic Showstopper. -- If you can find one.
Anonymous
September 15, 2005 11:44:08 PM

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On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:29:18 -0400, BRH <BRH> wrote:

>John Bartley wrote:
>> Need to record specific local news programs M-F and S-S, same time,
>> every day. Only use for the system. Will any ReplayTV rigs permit
>> recording without a subscription?
>>
>> Thank you kindly.
>>
>Yes -- The original Panasonic Showstopper. -- If you can find one.

Essentially, the old units (2xxx, 3xxx, Showstopper) came with
lifetime subscription. It is needed, but is always there.
--
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Anonymous
September 16, 2005 3:45:34 AM

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Basically, no. YOu get a short trial period, that's it

John Bartley wrote:
> Need to record specific local news programs M-F and S-S, same time,
> every day. Only use for the system. Will any ReplayTV rigs permit
> recording without a subscription?
>
> Thank you kindly.
>

--
John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
Diabetic? http://community.compuserve.com/diabetes
Anonymous
September 16, 2005 8:53:52 AM

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General Kireiko <douglas@panix.com> wrote in news:D gct4l$3jf$1
@reader1.panix.com:

> John Bartley <john.bartley@gmail.com> wrote:
>: Need to record specific local news programs M-F and S-S, same time,
>: every day. Only use for the system. Will any ReplayTV rigs permit
>: recording without a subscription?
>
>: Thank you kindly.
>
> No.

So, if the company goes out of business, are we screwed?


Rick
Anonymous
September 16, 2005 8:53:53 AM

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Rick Diamant wrote:
> General Kireiko <douglas@panix.com> wrote in news:D gct4l$3jf$1
> @reader1.panix.com:
>
>
>>John Bartley <john.bartley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>: Need to record specific local news programs M-F and S-S, same time,
>>: every day. Only use for the system. Will any ReplayTV rigs permit
>>: recording without a subscription?
>>
>>: Thank you kindly.
>>
>>No.
>
>
> So, if the company goes out of business, are we screwed?
>
>
> Rick

I wouldn't think so. If it does happen, I bet they'll put something out
that allows the replay to become sub-free.
Anonymous
September 16, 2005 2:00:05 PM

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>
>
> So, if the company goes out of business, are we screwed?
>
>
> Rick

Look on the bright side, maybe a tree will fall over and kill you.
Anonymous
September 16, 2005 5:15:47 PM

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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:49:56 +0000 (UTC), General Kireiko
<douglas@panix.com> wrote:

>I think if that happened as part of a bankruptcy proceeding, the company
>going out of business would have to use assets to fund a trust which would
>provide guide data, or they'd have to provide a software update to easily
>allow existing units to continue to receive guide data manually via an
>internet download or something. Basically, they'd have to unlock the box.


You haven't really seen many bankruptsys up close have you. Ask an
Evinrude owner how his extended warranty went.

The reality is all of those hacks the true believers are holding close
to their vest to keep RTV somewhat viable would end up on usenet
binaries groups.

DNNA is not going bankrupt but they could quite easily sell off their
RTV subscriber base to Zap2it if we were lucky, or to someone else who
would go bankrupt for them. Bear in mind the "lifers" have ZERO market
value. That is an unfunded obligation. The only revenue stream is from
"monthlies"

Any value a lifer has is as a customer to a future product and that
might not be backward compatible with RTV. It would actually help DNNA
to kill all of these old machines, in the same way IBM used to take
back old computers and crush trhem. You don't want to compete with
last year's product.
Anonymous
September 16, 2005 11:27:14 PM

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Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:29:18 -0400, BRH <BRH> wrote:
>
>
>>John Bartley wrote:
>>
>>>Need to record specific local news programs M-F and S-S, same time,
>>>every day. Only use for the system. Will any ReplayTV rigs permit
>>>recording without a subscription?
>>>
>>>Thank you kindly.
>>>
>>
>>Yes -- The original Panasonic Showstopper. -- If you can find one.
>
>
> Essentially, the old units (2xxx, 3xxx, Showstopper) came with
> lifetime subscription. It is needed, but is always there.

Technically, I guess you're right. The subscription was free. I stand
corrected.

....and I should know -- I've got two of 'em.... 8-)
Anonymous
September 17, 2005 2:22:21 AM

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Likely not... Likely if the company files and goes under they will
"Update" every replay with a "lifetime" subscription.

In the past their behavior suggests this MIGHT, and I stress MIGHT,
happen. No guarantee... but they can do it

Or... If you wish for a mere 300 more than the sticker price you can buy
a lifetime today, well tomorrow

Rick Diamant wrote:
>
>
> So, if the company goes out of business, are we screwed?
>
>
> Rick

--
John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
Diabetic? http://community.compuserve.com/diabetes
Anonymous
September 17, 2005 2:25:55 AM

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Tony D wrote:

> Look on the bright side, maybe a tree will fall over and kill you.


You know... I saw that happen to a luckless passenger in a car once
(The driver was unhurt), Tree limb came through the roof and nailed the
passenger)

N/B M-10 Service drive near Abbot, city of Detroit, perhaps 10-15 years
ago I was on what would have been the s/b service drive, if there had
been one there (1200 Fr. Kern, an office building directly across the
freeway)
--
John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
Diabetic? http://community.compuserve.com/diabetes
Anonymous
September 17, 2005 3:03:42 AM

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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:22:21 GMT, John in Detroit
<Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
>In the past their behavior suggests this MIGHT, and I stress MIGHT,
>happen. No guarantee... but they can do it


Who is "they". This company has changed ownership 3 times.

With the cable and satellite companies giving DVRs away for free it is
a decllining market unless they can get a "content" deal.
Anonymous
September 17, 2005 9:28:54 PM

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gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:22:21 GMT, John in Detroit
> <Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>In the past their behavior suggests this MIGHT, and I stress MIGHT,
>>happen. No guarantee... but they can do it
>
>
>
> Who is "they". This company has changed ownership 3 times.
>
> With the cable and satellite companies giving DVRs away for free it is
> a decllining market unless they can get a "content" deal.

"They" are a content PROVIDER. DNNA signed an agreement with Tribune
Media some time ago to distribute services and functions to customers
using the Replay Server system.

And from various discussions, I believe the more "free" DVRs out there,
the more people think "free" is too expensive.
Anonymous
September 18, 2005 12:01:34 AM

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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:28:54 -0400, Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>And from various discussions, I believe the more "free" DVRs out there,
>the more people think "free" is too expensive.

What is the current market penetration of the Cable/satellite DVR vs
the RTV/unbundled TiVo?
Anonymous
September 18, 2005 8:28:31 AM

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John in Detroit <Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:xAHWe.1046$4T5.557
@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com:

> Likely not... Likely if the company files and goes under they will
> "Update" every replay with a "lifetime" subscription.
>
> In the past their behavior suggests this MIGHT, and I stress MIGHT,
> happen. No guarantee... but they can do it
>
> Or... If you wish for a mere 300 more than the sticker price you can buy
> a lifetime today, well tomorrow
>
> Rick Diamant wrote:
>>
>>
>> So, if the company goes out of business, are we screwed?
>>
>>
>> Rick

I have a lifetime subscription, since I bought mine as a refurb. My
concern is that they will stop providing content, and that I will not even
be able to record manually. I suppose if that happens, I'll just have to
be happy with the two years (or whatever it turns out to be) of use I've
gotten out of it so far, and try to find something else.

Not that I've heard any rumors lately, but considering I never see any ads
for Replay any more, and I keep hearing so frequently that Tivo (the one
that's supposed to be successful) is having so much trouble, it just makes
me worry.


Rick
Anonymous
September 18, 2005 11:29:57 PM

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Replay does not provide the content now as I understand it, They have
outsourced. And if I'm wrong, then they could easily outsource should
they stop.

I use zap2it when I'm out and about and want a TV guide, Like last week
Worked great www.usps.com to get the zip code where I was (had to
make up an address is all) and www.zap2it.com to get the listings

Rick Diamant wrote:
> John in Detroit <Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:xAHWe.1046$4T5.557
> @newssvr17.news.prodigy.com:
>
>
>>Likely not... Likely if the company files and goes under they will
>>"Update" every replay with a "lifetime" subscription.
>>
>>In the past their behavior suggests this MIGHT, and I stress MIGHT,
>>happen. No guarantee... but they can do it
>>
>>Or... If you wish for a mere 300 more than the sticker price you can buy
>>a lifetime today, well tomorrow
>>
>>Rick Diamant wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>So, if the company goes out of business, are we screwed?
>>>
>>>
>>>Rick
>
>
> I have a lifetime subscription, since I bought mine as a refurb. My
> concern is that they will stop providing content, and that I will not even
> be able to record manually. I suppose if that happens, I'll just have to
> be happy with the two years (or whatever it turns out to be) of use I've
> gotten out of it so far, and try to find something else.
>
> Not that I've heard any rumors lately, but considering I never see any ads
> for Replay any more, and I keep hearing so frequently that Tivo (the one
> that's supposed to be successful) is having so much trouble, it just makes
> me worry.
>
>
> Rick

--
John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
Diabetic? http://community.compuserve.com/diabetes
September 19, 2005 8:45:33 AM

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Get a Toshiba TIVO. Has a basic free subscription. 3 days ahead
I have one of each. Like he replay better.


"John Bartley" <john.bartley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126801858.445634.199610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Need to record specific local news programs M-F and S-S, same time,
> every day. Only use for the system. Will any ReplayTV rigs permit
> recording without a subscription?
>
> Thank you kindly.
>
Anonymous
September 19, 2005 1:15:40 PM

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Gary wrote:
> Get a Toshiba TIVO. Has a basic free subscription. 3 days ahead
> I have one of each. Like he replay better.

You know... There are always Replay bashers here saying thier TiVo's are
better than our Replays... I suggest you boiler plate the above 2 lines

I researched and bought Replay
--
John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
Diabetic? http://community.compuserve.com/diabetes
Anonymous
September 23, 2005 4:42:40 AM

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wa8yxm@do.not.spam.arrl.net shaped the electrons to say:
>You know... There are always Replay bashers here saying thier TiVo's are
>better than our Replays... I suggest you boiler plate the above 2 lines
>
>I researched and bought Replay

You don't have to be a basher - I researched, including hands on use
of both, and bought TiVo.

Both products had advantages and disadvantages then (nearly 4 years
ago now), and that's still true. Though TiVo has added things that
ReplayTV had to themselves at the time, and not much the other way.

-MZ
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Anonymous
September 23, 2005 6:44:23 AM

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>
> You don't have to be a basher - I researched, including hands on use
> of both, and bought TiVo.
>
> Both products had advantages and disadvantages then (nearly 4 years
> ago now), and that's still true. Though TiVo has added things that
> ReplayTV had to themselves at the time, and not much the other way.
>
> -MZ

And of course the "additions" duplicate Replay features very crudely.

While I could say Replay's much better picture and vastly better
networking are "enough" for me, the absolute killer is the ease of
navigation through menus and program, something intrinsic to
functionality of the device. How Tivo people can sit there with their
hacks going 30 sec skip,30 sec skip,30 sec skip,30 sec skip,30 sec
skip,30 sec skip,30 sec skip, when I can hit auto or manual skip on a
commercial or decide to go ANYWHERE INSTANTLY within a show amazes me.
To say they are "equivalent" is like saying a daily commute in an
Explorer and a Trailblazer are "equivalent" except that with one you
have to drag a boat anchor every day.
Anonymous
September 23, 2005 3:48:18 PM

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On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 02:44:23 -0400, Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> You don't have to be a basher - I researched, including hands on use
>> of both, and bought TiVo.
>>
>> Both products had advantages and disadvantages then (nearly 4 years
>> ago now), and that's still true. Though TiVo has added things that
>> ReplayTV had to themselves at the time, and not much the other way.
>>
>> -MZ
>
>And of course the "additions" duplicate Replay features very crudely.
>
>While I could say Replay's much better picture and vastly better
>networking are "enough" for me, the absolute killer is the ease of
>navigation through menus and program, something intrinsic to
>functionality of the device. How Tivo people can sit there with their
>hacks going 30 sec skip,30 sec skip,30 sec skip,30 sec skip,30 sec
>skip,30 sec skip,30 sec skip, when I can hit auto or manual skip on a
>commercial or decide to go ANYWHERE INSTANTLY within a show amazes me.
>To say they are "equivalent" is like saying a daily commute in an
>Explorer and a Trailblazer are "equivalent" except that with one you
>have to drag a boat anchor every day.


RTV really screwed up when they dropped Commercial Advance. That may
be the single best feature of ther 4500s and 5000s
Anonymous
September 23, 2005 11:33:42 PM

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Agreed!

From:gfretwell@aol.com
gfretwell@aol.com

> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 02:44:23 -0400, Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> You don't have to be a basher - I researched, including hands on use
>>> of both, and bought TiVo.
>>>
>>> Both products had advantages and disadvantages then (nearly 4 years
>>> ago now), and that's still true. Though TiVo has added things that
>>> ReplayTV had to themselves at the time, and not much the other way.
>>>
>>> -MZ
>>
>> And of course the "additions" duplicate Replay features very crudely.
>>
>> While I could say Replay's much better picture and vastly better
>> networking are "enough" for me, the absolute killer is the ease of
>> navigation through menus and program, something intrinsic to
>> functionality of the device. How Tivo people can sit there with their
>> hacks going 30 sec skip,30 sec skip,30 sec skip,30 sec skip,30 sec
>> skip,30 sec skip,30 sec skip, when I can hit auto or manual skip on a
>> commercial or decide to go ANYWHERE INSTANTLY within a show amazes
>> me. To say they are "equivalent" is like saying a daily commute in an
>> Explorer and a Trailblazer are "equivalent" except that with one you
>> have to drag a boat anchor every day.
>
>
> RTV really screwed up when they dropped Commercial Advance. That may
> be the single best feature of ther 4500s and 5000s
Anonymous
September 24, 2005 4:38:24 AM

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"BruceR" <razrbruce%NOSPAM%@gmail.com> shaped the electrons to say:
>Agreed!

IMHO ReplayTV's two killer features were SendShow/IVS and Commercial
Advance. Those two things set them apart from pretty much everyone
else.

Show|Nav isn't really the same as Commercial Advance, though I will
grant it is niftier than just 30 second skip. But the loss of the two
killer features hurt.

And TiVo, Moxi, etc, have encroached on RTV with show transfers, and
support for more media like music and photos, etc.

It is no secret that I've always been a TiVo supporter, but RTV was
always my second choice - and it is sad to see what was a real
competitor just stop competing. I never had anything against RTV and
I think competition is good. But the real competition now is from
cable DVRs with software from the likes of UCentric, Moxi, and
Microsoft.

-MZ
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!