Sign in with
Sign up | Sign in
Your question
Solved

7850 vs 660

Tags:
  • Graphics Cards
  • Radeon
  • ATI
  • Graphics
Last response: in Graphics & Displays
Share
February 18, 2013 1:13:29 AM

Im looking at one of these....between 200-250$ and need some help right now i have a ATI radeon 5450 and can hardly play anything...so anything is an upgrade but really want to stick to the 7850 or 660 is there something that makes one of these cards better then the other that im not seeing?

More about : 7850 660

a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2013 1:50:47 AM

They both perform about the same the 7850 is a little cheaper though if you can afford a 7870 that would be the way to go.
m
0
l
Related resources
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2013 2:48:30 AM

definitely get the 7870 if you can, i picked it up my self and i love it :) 

ikes9711 how's the APU doing?
m
0
l
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2013 3:25:31 AM

TDiT said:
+1 to you.

7870 "Tahiti LE" has some serious overclocking headroom compared to the tapped out 7870, plus it has 1/4 multi for FP64 instead of 1/16 multi.


That's true but, that's if the OP wanna stretch his budget :) 
m
0
l
a c 186 U Graphics card
February 18, 2013 3:29:53 AM

TDiT said:
+1 to you.

7870 "Tahiti LE" has some serious overclocking headroom compared to the tapped out 7870, plus it has 1/4 multi for FP64 instead of 1/16 multi.
Yes it's the best choice by far if op is willing to stretch their budget ten bucks. ;) 
m
0
l
February 18, 2013 3:30:35 AM

ifreestylin said:
That's true but, that's if the OP wanna stretch his budget :) 


Eh, I've seen Tahiti LE's for as low as $230 (no rebate), so its in the ballpark still. Going over-budget by "only" 4% would be a godsend were I work. :p 
m
0
l
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2013 3:33:53 AM

TDiT said:
Eh, I've seen Tahiti LE's for as low as $230 (no rebate), so its in the ballpark still. Going over-budget by "only" 4% would be a godsend were I work. :p 


True but its the OP choice, would like to hear what he has to say
m
0
l
February 18, 2013 4:07:17 AM

Thank you everyone for all your input sorry it took so long to reply, I myself like the 7870 Ive had ATI/AMD cards for a while the only reason id switch to nvidia is for physx, Does anyone know which would be better using HDMI output at 1080p?
m
0
l
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2013 4:15:13 AM

Alec Huskey said:
Thank you everyone for all your input sorry it took so long to reply, I myself like the 7870 Ive had ATI/AMD cards for a while the only reason id switch to nvidia is for physx, Does anyone know which would be better using HDMI output at 1080p?


Np, to me Nvidia Physx isn't much that big of a deal, but that's just me. The 7870 should be good enough

P.S i think Physx can be use with Amd Cards
m
0
l
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2013 5:19:43 AM

PhysX technically can be used with AMD cards in some games if you've got a really good overclocked CPU, which I doubt the OP has since he's in the market for a budget graphics card.

The Nvidia cards I'd recommend for 1080p gaming start at 660ti and will end up costing almost 300 bucks. When it comes to budget gaming cards, AMD gives no quarter - their 7700- and 7800-series products offer so much better price to performance that it's not even a competition. So OP grab yourself either XFX or Gigabyte 7870.
m
0
l
February 18, 2013 5:23:09 AM

hizodge said:
PhysX technically can be used with AMD cards in some games if you've got a really good overclocked CPU, which I doubt the OP has since he's in the market for a budget graphics card.

The Nvidia cards I'd recommend for 1080p gaming start at 660ti and will end up costing almost 300 bucks. When it comes to budget gaming cards, AMD gives no quarter - their 7700- and 7800-series products offer so much better price to performance that it's not even a competition. So OP grab yourself either XFX or Gigabyte 7870.


Ive got a AMD phenom II x4 965 BE at stock settings and cooling...i have never OC'd anything and dont wanna screw any of my stuff up...sounds like a 7870 is the best choice then
m
0
l
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2013 5:30:36 AM

Alec Huskey said:
Thank you everyone for all your input sorry it took so long to reply, I myself like the 7870 Ive had ATI/AMD cards for a while the only reason id switch to nvidia is for physx, Does anyone know which would be better using HDMI output at 1080p?


PhysX being only on Nvidia cards is a complete lie. PhysX does run with AMD cards, however it offloads it to the CPU. Thus, the AMD card is hit more in performance (And this really doesn't matter, as 90% of the games that use PhysX normally are run at more than 60FPS easily). Its similar to how AMD cards perform better in higher resolutions, Nvidia cards perform better in PhysX capable games. However, its not really a just reason to purchase a Nvidia cards because of PhysX, as not enough games really use it.
m
0
l
February 18, 2013 5:34:28 AM

JJ1217 said:
PhysX being only on Nvidia cards is a complete lie. PhysX does run with AMD cards, however it offloads it to the CPU. Thus, the AMD card is hit more in performance (And this really doesn't matter, as 90% of the games that use PhysX normally are run at more than 60FPS easily). Its similar to how AMD cards perform better in higher resolutions, Nvidia cards perform better in PhysX capable games. However, its not really a just reason to purchase a Nvidia cards because of PhysX, as not enough games really use it.


Based on that info do you think ill get the performance that im looking for (1080p at 60+ FPS) with my current setup or should i just say F*** it and start over? I really havnt done anything to my current computer..

MOBO:M4A78LT-M
RAM: 16gb g skill 1600mhz ddr3 12800
CPU: AMD Phenom II x4 965 black edition
GPU: ATI radeon 5450 1gb
m
0
l
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2013 5:51:46 AM

Well you said it yourself; Right now the thing you need most is a graphics card. If you've got an extra $300 to spare, you could upgrade the motherboard and CPU to a newer ~$100 motherboard and Core i5 3570k processor.

If not you could get a proper CPU cooler for under 40 bucks and overclock your CPU up to 3,8 GHz for a slight boost. (I'm making the assumption that you don't have one because you said that you haven't overclocked.)
m
0
l
February 18, 2013 5:56:39 AM

hizodge said:
Well you said it yourself; Right now the thing you need most is a graphics card. If you've got an extra $300 to spare, you could upgrade the motherboard and CPU to a newer ~$100 motherboard and Core i5 3570k processor.

If not you could get a proper CPU cooler for under 40 bucks and overclock your CPU up to 3,8 GHz for a slight boost. (I'm making the assumption that you don't have one because you said that you haven't overclocked.)


Nope im using stock cooling...is the 3570k good? i havnt used intel since the pentium 4 processor...Would all my componets work with a Intel setup? and would the I5 be better then the 965 im running now?
m
0
l
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2013 5:58:11 AM

Grab the 660/660ti if you really want to use PhysX otherwise get the 7870/7870XT
Your CPU can run PhsyX on low but will take a slight fps hit
Another higher and your fps will tank
an 2600k at stock can tank up to phsyX medium before becoming unplayable

http://physxinfo.com/news/9425/borderlands-2-is-cpu-cap...
m
0
l

Best solution

a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2013 6:13:20 AM

stickmansam said:
Grab the 660 if you really want to use PhysX otherwise get the 7870/7870XT
Your CPU can run PhsyX on low but will take a slight fps hit
Another higher and your fps will tank
an 2600k at stock cannot tank anything higher than phsyX medium before becoming unplayable

http://physxinfo.com/news/9425/borderlands-2-is-cpu-cap...



So we've come to see the day and age where PhysX equals one game? :na: 
I'm telling you that using PhysX in some games, such as Mirror's Edge are completely unplayable with ANY single CPU you can find for the consumer market without editing the game code itself somehow - It's just so horribly unoptimized for the CPU. Furthermore; most PhysX games (including Mirror's Edge), that have PhysX only have On/Off setting and not 3 options like Borderlands 2 does.

As for the OP's question, yes. 3570k is THE budget CPU right now, even above anything that AMD has to offer and they've usually excelled at high performing, but low cost CPUs, such as the Phenom II X4 965 BE that you're rocking right this very second. Just get a motherboard that supports Intel Core 3rd gen to with the 3570k and your CPU performance would increase by quite a bit. Add a proper CPU cooler, like the Cooler Master 212 to the equation and you could achieve 4,8 GHz clocks with that processor.
Share
February 18, 2013 6:19:23 AM

hizodge said:

As for the OP's question, yes. 3570k is THE budget CPU right now, even above anything that AMD has to offer and they've usually excelled at high performing, but low cost CPUs, such as the Phenom II X4 965 BE that you're rocking right this very second. Just get a motherboard that supports Intel Core 3rd gen to with the 3570k and your CPU performance would increase by quite a bit. Add a proper CPU cooler, like the Cooler Master 212 to the equation and you could achieve 4,8 GHz clocks with that processor.


So something like these 3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
m
0
l
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2013 6:23:47 AM

^just an example, its hard to find other PhsyX benchmarks as readily and borderlands 2 is a really popular game

I am not familiar with PhysX games :p 

here is with mirros edge you were mentioning and the cpu physX take a big hit


list of phsyX games
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/physx/pc-gam...
m
0
l
February 18, 2013 7:14:16 AM

A 7850 is faster than a 660 and overclocks like a monster but for 250$ you can get a 7870 or 7870LE maybe even a cheap and dirty 7950. Don't buy nvidia, who wants a voltage locked card.
m
0
l
February 18, 2013 3:32:45 PM

ifreestylin said:
Get the 660TI if you want to use Physx otherwise get the 7870. check out the post and see how they perform in some
games.

http://www.techspot.com/review/603-best-graphics-cards/...


7870 appears to be really close to the 660ti and alot less money as far as ive seen...I guess now its just a choice of which todo first...or new CPU and Mobo first(being asrock z77 extreme4 and a I5 3570k)
m
0
l
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2013 3:48:23 PM

Alec Huskey said:
7870 appears to be really close to the 660ti and alot less money as far as ive seen...I guess now its just a choice of which todo first...or new CPU and Mobo first(being asrock z77 extreme4 and a I5 3570k)


If you can afford the new Mobo/CPU then no doubt get them, but if your budget its only the $250 then get the 7870 its better than the 660TI with the new 13.2 beta drivers
m
0
l
February 18, 2013 3:53:37 PM

ifreestylin said:
If you can afford the new Mobo/CPU then no doubt get them, but if your budget its only the $250 then get the 7870 its better than the 660TI with the new 13.2 beta drivers


alright sounds good....thanks for your help and thanks to everyone else who answered any of my numerous questions in this thread :) 
m
0
l
February 18, 2013 3:54:09 PM

Best answer selected by Alec Huskey.
m
0
l
!