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Anonymous
March 25, 2002 11:04:48 AM

How can you do a review of sound systems and NOT include the Klipsch 5.1 pro-media?

C'mon guys, I don't even own one and it's THE SOUND SYSTEM STANDARD OF EXCELLENCE...everyone knows it!

25 years ago, I got a job in a stereo store in San Francisco that specialized in high-end gear. Klipsch was blowing the doors off the competition then. From everything I've read, they're still doing it.

reader
March 25, 2002 2:44:06 PM

I totally agree with you. I wanted to see how they thought the other speakers compared to them. I am highly disappointed.
Anonymous
March 25, 2002 3:48:31 PM

Yeah really... I'm actually looking at the ProMedia's and the Cambridge 510D's and having a direct comparison would be great.

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March 25, 2002 4:55:26 PM

Klipsch is great for small format gear, but for large format... :frown:

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March 25, 2002 6:29:54 PM

First of all, thanks for providing a well-researched article today on multi-channel PC speakers. I hope to see more articles on PC audio equipment and beckoning sound technologies (plug: Dolby ProLogic II, QSound QMSS, DVD-Audio, SACD, 6.1 discrete -- are not addressed in this article -- and please, how much longer timeframe before we can <font color=yellow>finally </font color=yellow> see wireless speaker satellites?).

Reckoning that most savvy end-consumers probably want to spend money on only one speaker set ever, I believe your article does fill a current <font color=purple> void </font color=purple> of courageous subjective review on PC speakers for our buying decision. I am, however, <font color=red>disappointed </font color=red> at the omission of other well-deserved manufacturer's multimedia-speakers, including, <font color=green> Klipsch PM5.1, Boston Acoustics BA7800, Monsoon MH-505, Polk AMR-150, </font color=green> just to name a few similar-priced contenders available. To the author/THG team... is a further complete review forthcoming? <font color=purple> Others, please post reply if interested! </font color=purple>

As well, given that home-theatre-in-a-box sound solutions (ie. from major brands like Sony, Panasonic, Kenwood, Denon, BOSE, etc.) are available with similar sub/satellite-sized speaker sets as above, is there anybody resourceful enough to attempt a comparison audio review of, say, Megaworks 510D versus a similar price-range Kenwood HTIB package? Anybody else interested here?

Cheers,
-john-

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by longjohn on 03/25/02 05:30 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 25, 2002 7:02:26 PM

I totally disagree with you. He can only test whatever they send him. You didn't expect them to actually PURCHASE these, did you?

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
March 25, 2002 8:08:52 PM

While I'd <b>like</b> to agree, making speaker recommendations without even mentioning what is arguably the best set out there is unthinkable (Klipsch). I understand that you can only test what has been sent to you but the industry leader needs to be considered/mentioned somehow.

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Nature abhors a moron. -- HL Mencken
March 25, 2002 8:49:49 PM

I think it is pretty worthless to make comparisons when you don't have everything you need. This review should not have taken place unless they had so of the left out speaker systems.
March 25, 2002 9:19:45 PM

They did mention it. They said it was a great system and wished they had one for comparison.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
March 25, 2002 9:21:25 PM

So no review should take place, because they never have everything. When's the last time anybody did a review on motherboards that included the Leadtek 7350KDA? Quite possibly one of the best boards made, but who knows for sure?

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
March 25, 2002 9:42:06 PM

I can't find where they said where they were "great", even if we all know they are. They mention them w/ Videologic at the very beginning as opening up the market and they mention that they were unable to test them in the middle of the Cambridge review. No mention whatsoever in the "Conclusion" section which is where you need to mention them most of all. I stand by my original post.

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Nature abhors a moron. -- HL Mencken
March 26, 2002 1:17:12 AM

More importantly, they have not reviewed the Leadtek 7350KDA motherboard, which is more important than speakers.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
March 26, 2002 3:11:13 AM

hey this is pretty cool...i just signed on before and said WOW! a speaker review and then was doomed when i didn't see a Klipsch Setup. I quickly made a comment in the "SOUND" section of the forum.. and just decided to stop here and see what you guys though! obviously many of you felt the way i did.. but somebody above made a pretty good comment by saying they can't review what people don't send them, but then another comment followed that and said This review should of never had taken place..which i thought is true.. i agree 100% i think they should of waited until they have Rounded up some of the other HIGH QUALITY well known performers such as Klipsch and Boston acoustics..but anyway... i say Klipsch 5.1 would of ROCKED!!

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Anonymous
March 26, 2002 4:07:28 AM

Everybody is so praising the name of Klipsch which has been omitted, but what about the VideoLogic Digitheatre DTS?
Can anybody remember these speakers cos they even offer u with DTS support in addition to Dolby Digital 5.1 plus u get that seperate decoder which is of good quality as well...
March 26, 2002 4:42:53 AM

How can they make a conclusion on a product that they didn't even test themselves? Even if the Pro Media did get great reviews and praise elsewhere, THG makes independent reviews and comments themselves, based on what they have. They don't make any speculations what a system is based on by word of mouth without testing it themselvs. That would be silly.

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March 26, 2002 4:45:41 AM

Like Crashman said, so no review should ever take place, EVER...because no one review site could possibly have EVERY single product to test.
Don't be surprised if you see an "Update" to the review in the near future that includes the Pro Medias and other speakers.

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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by sTiCk_E_mOuSe on 03/25/02 10:49 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 26, 2002 11:29:23 AM

25 years ago it did? I remember 25 years ago we had radios with tubes, a portable transistor radio was a hot item.... and so on.... Let's not b.s. about any door blowing sound system 25 years ago, everything 25 years ago sounded like crap.

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March 26, 2002 4:30:37 PM

I conceded that point earlier but I think its a pretty disingenuous review that <i>recommends</i> a set of speakers without can't even mention what is arguably the best set. I'm not saying to do a full review, I'm saying that you really must at least say "you should also check out the Klipsch." It'd be like me doing a review of roadsters without mentioning the Boxster. I mean, heck, most of us here seem to know that Klipsch is arguably the watermark but we can't compare his review against them. Buy the damn things and return them if that's what it takes. Otherwise, you might as well not have even done the review because its basis for comparison is so out of whack.

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March 26, 2002 4:33:01 PM

Uh... ok, Crash. You might want to mention that in "Motherboards and Chipsets" not in the middle of a thread called "THG Review of Sound Systems."

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March 26, 2002 6:01:47 PM

But how can you do a review without the speakers that the majority of users say is the best? Whenever benchmarks are done, they are always compared to what was/is the best at that time. In this review, that did not happen.
March 26, 2002 6:10:49 PM

If you glance up real fast you may see Crash's point whizzing by.

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March 26, 2002 6:25:17 PM

Gee, I thought this was the "let's gripe about what product I didn't see in a review" thread!

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
March 26, 2002 7:26:51 PM

I give up...it's pointless arguing with these guys.
I have better things to do than whine about some speakers that wasn't included in one review, yet reviewed by about 5 zillion other sites.

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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by stick_e_mouse on 03/26/02 01:27 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 26, 2002 7:57:29 PM

Gee, you were wrong.

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Nature abhors a moron. -- HL Mencken
March 26, 2002 8:00:11 PM

You might well do the same for mine.

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Nature abhors a moron. -- HL Mencken
March 26, 2002 8:17:38 PM

Tell you what, why don't you start your own site and show THG how to do a proper review?

<font color=blue>If you don't buy Windows, then the terrorists have already won!</font color=blue> - Microsoft
March 26, 2002 11:17:21 PM

Tell you what, why don't you start your own site and show THG how to do a proper review?

Well, why don't Tom hire me and I will do a proper review?
March 27, 2002 2:01:39 AM

you guys are INSANE.....think about what you are argue'ing about....lol....im sure they will provide an Update sooner or later with another 4 or 5 speaker systems...

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March 27, 2002 2:12:15 AM

Hmmm, I read the content, you read the title. Read your signiture, then read the content of the post I responded to.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
Anonymous
March 27, 2002 1:15:38 PM

I must agree with the initial post of this thread, there is very little value in a comparative analysis of 4.1 & 5.1 computer speaker systems that does not include the best system available - Klipsch.

Not only was I surprised, I was very disappointed. Since the performance/cost ratio was mentioned as a means of determining the ultimate outcome of this analysis and since Klipsch was not included in the evaluation, the analysis was a complete waste of time and webspace.

The Klipsch 5.1 system is the undisuputed king of the high end computer speaker systems. The sound these speakers produce is astounding in quality and volume. My first impression was that the Klipsch 5.1's were selling for one third of their value - not that I wanted to pay more, just that they sounded like speakers that would sell for 3 or 4 times what I had payed for them.

My wife, who happens to play cello in a large orchestra, dropped her jaw when I played one of her favorite CD's for her after installing the Klipsch. I have not seen that kind of reaction in her ever. She just never gets excited about electronics or computer gear.

I have been an dyed in the wool audiophile for 25 years, I know sound and I can't believe given THG's usual high standards that this oversight occurred. I hope that this lapse in good judgement is not a trend.

I think that THG is in desparate need of a higher standard of quality control to prevent this sort of time wasting nonsense from being published again.
March 27, 2002 1:31:09 PM

Sure, talk to Tom and see what he says.

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Anonymous
March 27, 2002 2:10:47 PM

I was wondering the same thing myself, why even spend the effort to do a review if your not going to include some real competition?
March 27, 2002 3:32:30 PM

You know, I agree. My church's fully flown Clair Brothers system would've blown all of that out of the water, why didn't they include something like that?

<font color=blue>If you don't buy Windows, then the terrorists have already won!</font color=blue> - Microsoft
March 27, 2002 11:39:51 PM

Nice non-sequitor. Very nice. Next!

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Nature abhors a moron. -- HL Mencken
March 27, 2002 11:46:07 PM

Hmm, read your post (irrelevant point about a motherboard review), read my reply (your point was irrelevant to this thread), read your reply to that (wrongly thought the thread was to whine about any product not in a review). Yup, I'm still right. Thanks for the review session though.

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Nature abhors a moron. -- HL Mencken
March 28, 2002 3:15:14 AM

And you missed my point again. I give up, cya.

<font color=blue>If you don't buy Windows, then the terrorists have already won!</font color=blue> - Microsoft
March 28, 2002 3:30:07 AM

lol, I'll let you slide on that, since you're obviously beyond reason, and let the other forum members judge what this is really about, what you're really about, and anything else they would like.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
Anonymous
March 28, 2002 1:07:04 PM

Andrew,

The Klipschorns upstairs in that little store in San Francisco rocked the place like an earthquake! Standing almost 5 feet tall, they could be driven with 25 watts to outperform JBL and every other brand on the floor.

It was the best sound I had ever heard coming from a real Hi-Fi Stereo system...top end stuff with $800 turntables and a diamond needle that cost 200 bucks! Maybe we didn't know any better. But if I still remember it, that does say something, doesn't it?

Yes, there were tubes, yes it was 25 years ago...but the concept of horn-loaded speakers and the clarity they can produce remains constant. Also evident was the design of the enclosures, which I can only assume has progressed along with all of the other technologies.

Look, everyone has a "sound" they prefer and perhaps Klipsch is too "bright" for some listeners. So be it, there are many brands of fine quality sound systems to choose from out there.

I understand THG didn't have a Klipsch system that they could analyze. That's the fault of Klipsch. Perhaps if someone in their sales department saw the exchange here, they would help ensure THG could update its fine analysis.

reader
March 28, 2002 1:08:49 PM

Dibs on judging the synchronized swimming! :cool:

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Anonymous
March 28, 2002 1:19:08 PM

Fatburger,

Re: your contention that Klipsch "is fine for small sound systems" etc.

You need to go to http://www.klipsch.com/ and take a look at the high-end gear. No, the 5.1 is NOT the top of their line, it's the smallest system they offer.

Maybe you've heard them at your high-end movie theatre, or perhaps at a Rolling Stones concert (Twisted Sister used 'em, too!)

Klipsch does, indeed build large systems. They are, indeed, considered top of the line because of their sound quality and the ability to generate "large" sound driven by moderate amounts of power. "Efficient" is the word used to describe the horn-loaded speaker systems made by Klipsch.

But once again, I fear the thread has drifted from my original intention and degenerated into name calling in some cases. I think most of us here appreciate the work that THG puts into this site and want to contribute to its success. I've found many answers to many questions and insights into the direction of the industry here. I appreciate that.

If I'm disappointed once, well, so be it. C'mon, Klipsch, send a system for review!
March 28, 2002 2:40:51 PM

Quote:
Maybe you've heard them at your high-end movie theatre, or perhaps at a Rolling Stones concert (Twisted Sister used 'em, too!)


I've used their gear on a regular basis, I much prefer Clair Bros. About three months ago (last time I checked), out of the top 10 tours nationally, 8 were using either Clair or Showco systems. Clair bought Showco a while back, but continues to use the name. I think the other two were JBL, but I'm not sure.

Klipsch is decent large-format, but not great.

<font color=blue>If you don't buy Windows, then the terrorists have already won!</font color=blue> - Microsoft
March 28, 2002 8:34:43 PM

Fair 'nuff.

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Nature abhors a moron. -- HL Mencken
March 28, 2002 8:35:17 PM

Can I be the French judge?

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Nature abhors a moron. -- HL Mencken
March 28, 2002 9:19:00 PM

The best sounding speaker system I've ever heard was manufacturee by...me. I used to build custom speaker enclosures.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
March 28, 2002 10:17:13 PM

lol

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