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  1. BigMack70 said:
    Anyways, a card can be overpriced without being overkill. They're fuzzy terms and it's going to derail this thread badly if we start trying to define them. I only gave my pseudo-definition in order to clarify my earlier post.


    Well I didnt start talking about overkilled or overpriced products in a thread that the op has a an $1000 GPU...

    BigMack70 said:
    But the TPU info is just based on rumors. Remember how the GTX 680 was supposed to be GK110 until like 2 months before launch and then all of a sudden it was GK104? All we have is rumors, and rumors can be very wrong.


    I agree that we have rumors but, if you were Nvidia woud you kill the Titan by releasing a GK114 more powerful than Titan? I don't think so. Actually the game is on AMD side now. I really hope that AMD will release GCN2.0 (8970) with similar or close or more performance than TITAN while pricing it no more than $500 in order to force nvidia to bring chips like GK110 to $500 pricetag.
  2. jonpaul37 said:
    i would have gone with two 680's in SLI, won't be able to beat that with a 690 or a Titan, but you might be able to beat it with 3 x GTX 660Ti's...


    Please tell me you're not a complete idiot and you're just joking. A 690 has two 680 gpus on one card, which means no major performance loss from the SLI bottleneck. One GTX Titan can out perform a 690 in several ways but not all. Please research shit before talking.
  3. I would prefer the Titan myself honestly. I don't like how a lot of programs work with a SLi or CF solution. Sure in some games namely FPS's they tend to have great multi gpu optimization however when you are spending that kind of money on a gpu why not get a Titan card. And not only that its superior to the 690 in memory capacity 2 gigabytes versus 6 gigabytes effective. I mean the only thing I would give the 690 is memory bandwidth at 512 bit but other than that its great if you want slightly slower speeds then two 680's in SLi.
  4. bigshootr8 said:
    I would prefer the Titan myself honestly. I don't like how a lot of programs work with a SLi or CF solution. Sure in some games namely FPS's they tend to have great multi gpu optimization however when you are spending that kind of money on a gpu why not get a Titan card. And not only that its superior to the 690 in memory capacity 2 gigabytes versus 6 gigabytes effective. I mean the only thing I would give the 690 is memory bandwidth at 512 bit but other than that its great if you want slightly slower speeds then two 680's in SLi.


    Do you have to run a GTX 690 card in SLI mode? I know it has two GPUs on it, but it's technically one video card. Just curious if it suffers from the SLI issues you address in your post.

    I'm very, very curious about what the issues are with SLI/CrossFire. For instance, you say you don't like how a lot of programs work with multiple-GPUs. Specifically what programs are you talking about, and what don't you like?

    I would like to play a wide variety of PC games on my computer, from old ones to new ones, indie to AAA--would SLI GTX 680 4GB cards (which I think is a better, higher VRAM solution than either a GTX 690 or SLI GTX 680 2GB cards) pose problems with any of these types of games? Do you have to change a bunch of settings on your video cards to play certain types of games? What about watching Blu-rays on your computer, or just doing basic tasks, like using Microsoft Office apps or browsing the Web?

    The only reason I'm considering getting SLI 680 4GBs is because I have a 27", 1440p screen, and I want everything to play on MAXED-OUT settings, something that I feel like a GTX Titan might have trouble doing for, say, Crysis 3 or other top-of-the-line graphical titles (Metro 2033, Battlefield 3, etc.). A GTX 690 is a nice solution, but I'm curious if it has SLI issues or not in comparison to, say, dual GTX 680s. Also, I like that added comfort of 4GB VRAM or more (4GB in dual GTX 680 Classifieds [8GB total, I guess, but I heard that figure doesn't matter] or a 6GB GTX Titan).
  5. echamberlin8 said:
    bigshootr8 said:
    I would prefer the Titan myself honestly. I don't like how a lot of programs work with a SLi or CF solution. Sure in some games namely FPS's they tend to have great multi gpu optimization however when you are spending that kind of money on a gpu why not get a Titan card. And not only that its superior to the 690 in memory capacity 2 gigabytes versus 6 gigabytes effective. I mean the only thing I would give the 690 is memory bandwidth at 512 bit but other than that its great if you want slightly slower speeds then two 680's in SLi.


    Do you have to run a GTX 690 card in SLI mode? I know it has two GPUs on it, but it's technically one video card. Just curious if it suffers from the SLI issues you address in your post.

    I'm very, very curious about what the issues are with SLI/CrossFire. For instance, you say you don't like how a lot of programs work with multiple-GPUs. Specifically what programs are you talking about, and what don't you like?

    I would like to play a wide variety of PC games on my computer, from old ones to new ones, indie to AAA--would SLI GTX 680 4GB cards (which I think is a better, higher VRAM solution than either a GTX 690 or SLI GTX 680 2GB cards) pose problems with any of these types of games? Do you have to change a bunch of settings on your video cards to play certain types of games? What about watching Blu-rays on your computer, or just doing basic tasks, like using Microsoft Office apps or browsing the Web?

    The only reason I'm considering getting SLI 680 4GBs is because I have a 27", 1440p screen, and I want everything to play on MAXED-OUT settings, something that I feel like a GTX Titan might have trouble doing for, say, Crysis 3 or other top-of-the-line graphical titles (Metro 2033, Battlefield 3, etc.). A GTX 690 is a nice solution, but I'm curious if it has SLI issues or not in comparison to, say, dual GTX 680s. Also, I like that added comfort of 4GB VRAM or more (4GB in dual GTX 680 Classifieds [8GB total, I guess, but I heard that figure doesn't matter] or a 6GB GTX Titan).


    Check this yesterday's article about NVIDIA GTX TITAN vs. SLI & Crossfire from Hardware Canucks.
    :)
  6. @Memnarchon @echamberlin8
    I do not run a 690 in quad SLi. Essentially that is what you are doing when you are placing the card in tandem with another 690. 4 GPU's looks lovely in a synthetic benchmark however in a real life environment game it performs worse and will bottleneck just about everything without a decent overclock in CPU/MEM performance.
    I would say price to performance you won't find a better solution then a 7970 in crossfire or a 670/680. However, for me personally I don't like dealing with mutiple cards running together. In games that do not benefit from multiple gpu's the titan will hang in there against the SLI/CF folk and will do very well in higher resolution situations. If I had the money I would go with the Titan it handles really intense work loads without the need to place two cards in SLI/CF. Also with its architecture its poised to be a stronger workstation card as well for those who are into rendering. I know its not the fiscally cheapest solution just what I personally would prefer. I'm not a bargain pc builder.

    I would say though with your idea of two 680's in Sli is a good one if you like Nvidia over AMD you'll have all the graphic power you need to max out games at that resolution. And while the Titan can keep up your 680's will naturally surpass it performance wise.

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  7. bigshootr8 said:
    @Memnarchon @echamberlin8
    I do not run a 690 in quad SLi. Essentially that is what you are doing when you are placing the card in tandem with another 690. 4 GPU's looks lovely in a synthetic benchmark however in a real life environment game it performs worse and will bottleneck just about everything without a decent overclock in CPU/MEM performance.

    I totally agree with this.

    bigshootr8 said:
    I would say price to performance you won't find a better solution then a 7970 in crossfire or a 670/680. However, for me personally I don't like dealing with mutiple cards running together. In games that do not benefit from multiple gpu's the titan will hang in there against the SLI/CF folk and will do very well in higher resolution situations. If I had the money I would go with the Titan it handles really intense work loads without the need to place two cards in SLI/CF. Also with its architecture its poised to be a stronger workstation card as well for those who are into rendering. I know its not the fiscally cheapest solution just what I personally would prefer.

    I posted the article in order to verify this. If you had read the article you would see that SLI and Xfire setups had various problems.
  8. I've kind of wondered about Titan, not that I'm in position to get one atm, but latency is the cause of nausea for me, unless I get my FPS to the 80+ range. However, an SLI/CF setup at 80+ FPS is still going to have higher latency than a single GPU. I wonder if Titan could help the latency issue without the need for as high of FPS as normal.
  9. @MEM
    I did I read I saw there was some stability issues at the higher resolutions which is a common theme with the stuttering aspect of a multiple GPU scenario.

    @Big
    I totally agree that the Titan is rather overpriced however its not really aimed at the price to performance customer that is the AMD crowd. Just boggles my mind sometimes. Was watching a linus tech tips video today and he was going over price to performance and it made me want to rip my hair out he was comparing a GTX660 to a 7870, and a 650 to a 7770 (which to be fair is more fair) Its just a simple fact nvidia like intel are not good about putting out the lower priced product.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiz7HCdGEic
  10. I'm 100% with you on that one big. And you would have to be some serious joe to put that amount of money into a gpu to begin with. Unless you are doing 3d or heavy surround gaming FORGET IT! :P
  11. Memnarchon said:
    echamberlin8 said:
    bigshootr8 said:
    I would prefer the Titan myself honestly. I don't like how a lot of programs work with a SLi or CF solution. Sure in some games namely FPS's they tend to have great multi gpu optimization however when you are spending that kind of money on a gpu why not get a Titan card. And not only that its superior to the 690 in memory capacity 2 gigabytes versus 6 gigabytes effective. I mean the only thing I would give the 690 is memory bandwidth at 512 bit but other than that its great if you want slightly slower speeds then two 680's in SLi.


    Do you have to run a GTX 690 card in SLI mode? I know it has two GPUs on it, but it's technically one video card. Just curious if it suffers from the SLI issues you address in your post.

    I'm very, very curious about what the issues are with SLI/CrossFire. For instance, you say you don't like how a lot of programs work with multiple-GPUs. Specifically what programs are you talking about, and what don't you like?

    I would like to play a wide variety of PC games on my computer, from old ones to new ones, indie to AAA--would SLI GTX 680 4GB cards (which I think is a better, higher VRAM solution than either a GTX 690 or SLI GTX 680 2GB cards) pose problems with any of these types of games? Do you have to change a bunch of settings on your video cards to play certain types of games? What about watching Blu-rays on your computer, or just doing basic tasks, like using Microsoft Office apps or browsing the Web?

    The only reason I'm considering getting SLI 680 4GBs is because I have a 27", 1440p screen, and I want everything to play on MAXED-OUT settings, something that I feel like a GTX Titan might have trouble doing for, say, Crysis 3 or other top-of-the-line graphical titles (Metro 2033, Battlefield 3, etc.). A GTX 690 is a nice solution, but I'm curious if it has SLI issues or not in comparison to, say, dual GTX 680s. Also, I like that added comfort of 4GB VRAM or more (4GB in dual GTX 680 Classifieds [8GB total, I guess, but I heard that figure doesn't matter] or a 6GB GTX Titan).


    Check this yesterday's article about NVIDIA GTX TITAN vs. SLI & Crossfire from Hardware Canucks.
    :)


    I have to remember to read this tomorrow! Looks good.
  12. Ultjack said:
    Ok, so about a week ago i bought a new PC that had the GTX 690 as its graphics card and now Nvidia announced the Geforce Titan...

    According to these benchmarks : http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-titan/performance.

    it's not that much powerful than the 690 but i'm not really sure.

    So,should i return my desktop and wait for the Titan to come to stores or is the 690 good?



    ok so seriously this thread is old but wow.. you'd think someone who dropped a grand on a piece of metal would have more knowledge about this. I'm seriously baffled by this thread. Keep the 690.
  13. Well if you have one 690 sure but if you are arguing between the two the Titan will be the stronger contender just on the basis of memory where the 690 has what 2 gigabytes of effective memory people who are buying these cards are more then likely using more then one monitor to begin with as well as high resolution displays.
  14. BigMack70 said:
    bigshootr8 said:
    I totally agree that the Titan is rather overpriced however its not really aimed at the price to performance customer that is the AMD crowd.


    Nvidia has some cards that are quite good for their price, but I think that this is more or less why I think the Titan isn't a recommendable card - I think that it's a card for people who more or less know exactly what they want and don't need to ask about GPU recommendations.

    (edit) I think actually the thing that bothers me is when people have $1k to blow on a GPU setup and don't know what they want so they ask people. In my mind, if you're set to invest that kind of money in a build, you'd damn well better do your own homework and make sure you know what you want for yourself.


    That shouldn't bother you?:-o Think about it, the way I go about purchasing new hardware or a new build is I look up specs, reviews, discussions, forums, tests, etc. If these forums weren't here, with this discussion, I might be missing useful information or my ability to give me "two cents". If you are going to invest that kind of money, it is best to do homework, this is part of it; this is what a google search brings up, and it's nice to not be solely making decisions on my chance-able misconceptions about some element of the card. This is one step in the process.

    So generally, Titan, as it stands, is not a better investment than 690s? At this point it's probably better to wait for the first of the 700s series... right? Supposedly it's showing up this month. Yeah, I think I'll do that.
  15. It's loads better then picking up a 690. You aren't sandwiched with a 2 gigabyte effective memory solution. And you may be right though logik a 780 is a toned down version of the titan card and will be at a lesser price point so maybe there is money to be saved there.
  16. Still at this discussion??????? -.-

    Its simple! There is only 1 answear to the whole Titan vs 690 combat.

    690 If you game on a singel screen! Make sure to use nvidia inspectors sli profils!
    Titan if you game with nvidia surround!
    Though a better choice is 7970 SLI :)

    I my self have 2 titans sli, but thats becuse i cant stand Amd's drivers and i have an nvidia 3d monitor.
  17. Even with a single screen I wouldn't pick up a 690. Because yea at 1080p yea sure you are flying but start using a 4k resolution display and you'll have issues.

    And with the current frame latency issue of AMD's crossfire solution I would stay away from that. I'd get two 670's before 7970's in CF right now.
  18. Lett me rephrase.
    690 for 1440p or lower
    Titan for 1440p +
  19. But even then even at the 1440p resolution you wouldn't want to pay 1000 dollars for only 2 gigabytes of vram. when you can get 4 off two 670/680's or 3 from two 7950's/70's
  20. bigshootr8 said:
    But even then even at the 1440p resolution you wouldn't want to pay 1000 dollars for only 2 gigabytes of vram. when you can get 4 off two 670/680's or 3 from two 7950's/70's


    That we both agree upon, atleast with the 670 sli. As i think the 680 is super overpriced as the 670 has at max 5% lesser performance. But as the title says its not about other cards its Titan versus 690.
  21. Right I think you buy the 690 for the small window of now. And you buy the Titan for the unknown future.
  22. bigshootr8 said:
    Right I think you buy the 690 for the small window of now. And you buy the Titan for the unknown future.


    Well the term future proofing is something is the stupidest 2 words i know of.
    As the mightiest beasts today still aren't able to max out the most demanding games @ 5760x1080 and certainly not 5760x1080 3D .
    So I'd say if you want to future proof yourself, you wait for the future and buy the power you need than.

    Cant wait for the occulus rift to arrive at my door :D
    Im not sure what resolution it uses. But cant wait to test the product.
  23. Hold on I never said future proof. I didn't say it would hold up in time I just said that its more prepared for the unknown then the dubbed down version of two 680's in sli which is the 690.

    Anything above 1080p I'm pretty sure you'll welcome the additional vram on a single chip. Plus 1 card versus running a card in SLi yea I'll go with a single card stability any day.
  24. The 690 is insanely good. But, if you're going to play on very high resolution on several screens, then the titan would be ideal due to the high vram and 384-bit.

    GK104 is made for the regular resolutions like 1080p and sometimes1440p that is only with the GTX 670, 680 and 690 though, while the GK110, the Titan, destroys the highest resolutions at several screens.

    I have 1080p and I want to use this card for future gaming (Like BF4 or GTA V),
    which should I choose GTX 690/Titan..?
  25. lostgamer_03 said:
    Ultjack said:
    Ok, so about a week ago i bought a new PC that had the GTX 690 as its graphics card and now Nvidia announced the Geforce Titan...

    According to these benchmarks : http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-titan/performance.

    it's not that much powerful than the 690 but i'm not really sure.

    So,should i return my desktop and wait for the Titan to come to stores or is the 690 good?


    The 690 is insanely good. But, if you're going to play on very high resolution on several screens, then the titan would be ideal due to the high vram and 384-bit.

    GK104 is made for the regular resolutions like 1080p and sometimes1440p that is only with the GTX 670, 680 and 690 though, while the GK110, the Titan, destroys the highest resolutions at several screens.


    Anonymous said:
    The 690 is insanely good. But, if you're going to play on very high resolution on several screens, then the titan would be ideal due to the high vram and 384-bit.

    GK104 is made for the regular resolutions like 1080p and sometimes1440p that is only with the GTX 670, 680 and 690 though, while the GK110, the Titan, destroys the highest resolutions at several screens.


    I have 1080p and I want to use this card for future gaming (Like BF4 or GTA V),
    which should I choose GTX 690/Titan..?


    I have 1080p and I want to use this card for future gaming (Like BF4 or GTA V),
    which should I choose GTX 690/Titan..?
  26. Read the thread. Iv posted the answear already.

    GTX 690 for 1080p
    GTX Titan multimonitor setup.

    Yes 690 runs Sli and yes Sli dos have some problems. Though It's only getting better and better.
    Also with nivida inspector theres thousends of gaming profiles that betters/ solves Sli issues.
  27. Right now, I'd look into the 780, now that it is out. Perhaps two down the road.
  28. bystander said:
    Right now, I'd look into the 780, now that it is out. Perhaps two down the road.


    Agreed a 780 over a 690 and probably a Titan over a 690 no reason to pick up a 690 when 1. its a underclocked sli version of the 680 2. it doesn't have 4 gigabytes of effective memory it has 2 GB 3. It's a SLi card on one PCB so you run into stuttering issues with more then one card AMD/Nvidia it doesn't matter 2 cards doesn't always =stability.
  29. xS0u1zx said:
    jonpaul37 said:
    i would have gone with two 680's in SLI, won't be able to beat that with a 690 or a Titan, but you might be able to beat it with 3 x GTX 660Ti's...


    Please tell me you're not a complete idiot and you're just joking. A 690 has two 680 gpus on one card, which means no major performance loss from the SLI bottleneck. One GTX Titan can out perform a 690 in several ways but not all. Please research shit before talking.


    You sure about that cupcake? Call me all the names you want lover, but the fact remains is:

    SLi 680 > 690 > Titan

    Proof:
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/6774/nvidias-geforce-gtx-titan-part-2-titans-performance-unveiled/6

    Care to make a counter-argument? I'm all ears...
  30. I love these kind of topics cause I can only afford gtx 650 :)
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