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Anonymous
March 23, 2005 3:01:47 PM

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What is the status of Tivo and subtitles for the deaf?
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Anonymous
March 23, 2005 5:59:21 PM

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In my evolving opinion wrote:
> What is the status of Tivo and subtitles for the deaf?

My TV is set to automatically enable Closed Captions whenever the
mute button is pressed. So I see Closed Captions all the time
through my TiVo.

Bottom line: There never was any question about the status of
closed captions for standard definition TV; they've always been there.

-Joe
March 23, 2005 6:29:54 PM

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"In my evolving opinion" <no@email.com> wrote in message news:LWj0e.152$le4.107@fed1read04...
>
> What is the status of Tivo and subtitles for the deaf?
> Thanks

Works great! In fact at 2X playback, the subtitles still work
(at least on my Toshiba set) so you can view a show in
half the normal time.
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March 23, 2005 11:37:27 PM

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* In my evolving opinion wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:

> What is the status of Tivo and subtitles for the deaf?
> Thanks


Close Captioning is available if the original broadcast provided it. In
fact it is part of a recommendation they use in the manual to speed the
watching of some programs (like News) and is suggested that some TVs
automatically turn the feature on in MUTE mode. So a SINGLE FF and MUTE
will show the program @ 2X and show the captioning.

--
David
Let's do it.
-- Gary Gilmore, to his firing squad
Anonymous
March 24, 2005 12:25:55 AM

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Haven't subtitles always worked on Tivo? I'm not deaf, but am a little hard
of hearing..though...I use them all of the time when my wife is reading and
I'm watching some program ( say -golf on TV- ) that you don't need real
sound to follow. RG
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"Vince" <diespammer@die.com> wrote in message
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> "In my evolving opinion" <no@email.com> wrote in message
news:LWj0e.152$le4.107@fed1read04...
> >
> > What is the status of Tivo and subtitles for the deaf?
> > Thanks
>
> Works great! In fact at 2X playback, the subtitles still work
> (at least on my Toshiba set) so you can view a show in
> half the normal time.
>
>
Anonymous
March 25, 2005 2:10:27 PM

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( say -golf on TV- ) that you don't need real
> sound to follow. RG

Or real video in that case either.
Anonymous
April 4, 2005 11:32:27 PM

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:01:47 -0800, "In my evolving opinion"
<no@email.com> wrote:

>
>What is the status of Tivo and subtitles for the deaf?
>Thanks
>

Work great, no problems! Naturally, if the show being recorded
doesn't have then, neither will the recording.
--
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Anonymous
April 5, 2005 12:22:24 PM

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Tivo supports CC but does not provide it. That is to say that tivo uses
the television set's decoder to display the captions both in real time
and those recorded on the hard drive. If you have an ancient tv that
does not decode the caption stream you will not see captions on tivo, at
least on directivo (I don't know about series two or the HD tivo
models).

Here is the problem with this. Let us say you record a program to tivo.
You play it back and it contains the captions, just like you were
watching it in real time, because tivo captures the caption stream and
the tv in turn decodes it. However, let us say you watch the show and
like it and wish to now play it back and save the program to a dvd
recorder. There will be no captions shown on the dvd disk unless the
dvd recorder has a CC decoder built in.

Going from the tivo (which does not have a decoder) to a dvd recorder
which also may not have a decoder depending on the model, will result in
no captions on the recorded dvd disk. This is so because there is no
decoder anywhere along the line to place the captions on the disk. Some
dvd recorders may have their own CC decoder but I know my lite-on 5005
does not.

The only way I can record directv programs with captions to my dvd
recorder is by by-passing the directivo and using my directv Zenith HD
520 STB. The Zenith directv box does have a built in decoder so the
captions appear on the screen whether or not the captions are enabled on
the tv. In other words, the Zenith receiver (and Samsung 360STB for
that matter) decodes captions itself, independent of the tv.

When recording programs from directv receivers such as the Zenith and
Samsung HD STBs, unlike tivo, the captions actually become part of the
picture (such as foreign subtitles are part of the picture and are not a
"stream" needing decoding). As such, the down side to this is that once
you record the program to the disk, you will forever have the captions
appear as they are part of the picture now and there is no way to
disable them.

What all this is saying is that if you wish to view programs on tivo,
live or recorded, and your tv has a CC decoder, you will have no problem
with tivo. However, if you wish to save to disk a recorded tivo
program, you had better make sure the dvd recorder you buy has a decoder
built in.

MARTY
Anonymous
April 5, 2005 9:25:06 PM

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"shortspark" <martyi@webtv.net> wrote in message news:2273-42529110-386@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net...
> Tivo supports CC but does not provide it. That is to say that tivo uses
> the television set's decoder to display the captions both in real time
> and those recorded on the hard drive. If you have an ancient tv that
> does not decode the caption stream you will not see captions on tivo, at
> least on directivo (I don't know about series two or the HD tivo
> models).
>
> Here is the problem with this. Let us say you record a program to tivo.
> You play it back and it contains the captions, just like you were
> watching it in real time, because tivo captures the caption stream and
> the tv in turn decodes it. However, let us say you watch the show and
> like it and wish to now play it back and save the program to a dvd
> recorder. There will be no captions shown on the dvd disk unless the
> dvd recorder has a CC decoder built in.
>
> Going from the tivo (which does not have a decoder) to a dvd recorder
> which also may not have a decoder depending on the model, will result in
> no captions on the recorded dvd disk. This is so because there is no
> decoder anywhere along the line to place the captions on the disk. Some
> dvd recorders may have their own CC decoder but I know my lite-on 5005
> does not.
>
> The only way I can record directv programs with captions to my dvd
> recorder is by by-passing the directivo and using my directv Zenith HD
> 520 STB. The Zenith directv box does have a built in decoder so the
> captions appear on the screen whether or not the captions are enabled on
> the tv. In other words, the Zenith receiver (and Samsung 360STB for
> that matter) decodes captions itself, independent of the tv.
>
> When recording programs from directv receivers such as the Zenith and
> Samsung HD STBs, unlike tivo, the captions actually become part of the
> picture (such as foreign subtitles are part of the picture and are not a
> "stream" needing decoding). As such, the down side to this is that once
> you record the program to the disk, you will forever have the captions
> appear as they are part of the picture now and there is no way to
> disable them.
>
> What all this is saying is that if you wish to view programs on tivo,
> live or recorded, and your tv has a CC decoder, you will have no problem
> with tivo. However, if you wish to save to disk a recorded tivo
> program, you had better make sure the dvd recorder you buy has a decoder
> built in.
>

Your Liteon 5005 DVD recorder doesn't have a CC decoder and no other
DVD recorder has one either.

A DVD recorder doesn't require a CC decoder. All decoding is done in the
display device. The CC data is contained in the top few scan lines of video data,
and some DVD recorders may not properly record those lines. This causes
loss of CC data when the DVD is written. Some DVD recorders are designed
to properly include CC data in the video scan lines when writing, but those
products may cost more.

Language subtitles in films are unrelated to closed captioning.
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