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Anonymous
March 25, 2005 4:50:16 AM

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The one thing I find totally annoying is the fact that in both the
Season Pass and in manual programming, I can't have the recording stop
earlier and when programming a earlier start time or a later end time,
after 2 minutes in goes into 5 minute increments. The problem arises
when I try to record Letterman and Jimmy Kimmel after him. Letterman
comes on at 10:35 in my area. Tivo has it at 10:37. There is no problem
there but then Letterman ends at 10: 38. Tivo has him ending at 10:39.
Kimmel starts right after Letterman within a couple seconds. When
Letterman's credits end, I switch to Kimmel and his show is just
starting. I have tried every combination of programming. From having one
show on Season Pass and one on manual to both on manual, to backing off
the start times to adding end time and I alway either cut off
Letterman's final comments or Kimmel's opening comments. Why can't they
allow us just to program times in increments of 1 minute and allow us to
shorten the end time?
Anonymous
March 25, 2005 6:58:56 AM

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I know, it's ridiculous. They could have programmed it to increase by 1, and
press and hold to skip by 5 or something.
March 25, 2005 1:16:09 PM

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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:50:16 -0700, lolajoker@webtv.net wrote:

>The one thing I find totally annoying is the fact that in both the
>Season Pass and in manual programming, I can't have the recording stop
>earlier and when programming a earlier start time or a later end time,
>after 2 minutes in goes into 5 minute increments. The problem arises
>when I try to record Letterman and Jimmy Kimmel after him. Letterman
>comes on at 10:35 in my area. Tivo has it at 10:37. There is no problem
>there but then Letterman ends at 10: 38. Tivo has him ending at 10:39.
>Kimmel starts right after Letterman within a couple seconds. When
>Letterman's credits end, I switch to Kimmel and his show is just
>starting. I have tried every combination of programming. From having one
>show on Season Pass and one on manual to both on manual, to backing off
>the start times to adding end time and I alway either cut off
>Letterman's final comments or Kimmel's opening comments. Why can't they
>allow us just to program times in increments of 1 minute and allow us to
>shorten the end time?

Get your cable co's 2 tuner DVR. No more problems like that.

Sean
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Anonymous
March 25, 2005 1:35:40 PM

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<lolajoker@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:19525-4243D0C8-248@storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net...
> Why can't they
> allow us just to program times in increments of 1 minute and allow us to
> shorten the end time?

There was a hack for this, you could both start late and end early; however,
I didn't find it to work very well. It would be accepted okay, but it
seemed like some housekeeping function would come along later and say
"that's not right" and change the times on me. I haven't played with it in
a while, maybe it would work better with your system or maybe the hack
itself has been updated. It should be in all the books or you could try
googling it; I'd point you to the AVS Forum but I think it's been closed,
not sure why.

Failing that, it's not an ideal solution, but what about putting in a manual
to grab both shows? Say, 10:35 to 12:40? (I'm assuming you meant to say
that Letterman ends at 11:38, not 10:38). With skip to tick, it shouldn't
be too hard to find the start of Kimmel if that's all you wanted to watch.

Ed
84HurstOlds@nowherenow.com
Anonymous
March 25, 2005 4:50:03 PM

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"Sean" <none> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:50:16 -0700, lolajoker@webtv.net wrote:
>
> Get your cable co's 2 tuner DVR. No more problems like that.

Just other ones, like missed recordings, partial recordings, spontaneous
reboots, etc.

Ed
84HurstOlds@nowherenow.com
Anonymous
March 25, 2005 6:49:25 PM

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In article <a62dd$42442fba$d1cc767a$10273@snip.allthenewsgroups.com>,
zzz@zzz.com says...
>
> <lolajoker@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:19525-4243D0C8-248@storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net...
> > Why can't they
> > allow us just to program times in increments of 1 minute and allow us to
> > shorten the end time?
>
> There was a hack for this, you could both start late and end early; however,
> I didn't find it to work very well. It would be accepted okay, but it
> seemed like some housekeeping function would come along later and say
> "that's not right" and change the times on me. I haven't played with it in
> a while, maybe it would work better with your system or maybe the hack
> itself has been updated. It should be in all the books or you could try
> googling it; I'd point you to the AVS Forum but I think it's been closed,
> not sure why.
>
> Failing that, it's not an ideal solution, but what about putting in a manual
> to grab both shows? Say, 10:35 to 12:40? (I'm assuming you meant to say
> that Letterman ends at 11:38, not 10:38). With skip to tick, it shouldn't
> be too hard to find the start of Kimmel if that's all you wanted to watch.
>
> Ed
> 84HurstOlds@nowherenow.com
>
>
>


They're on different channels. It wouldn't change the channel if he just
did a 2 hour block.


Ahh, dual tuner directivo... But, even that gets messed up by Lost.
Anonymous
March 25, 2005 6:49:26 PM

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"theyak" <yak@dev.null> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cadef8941fddb6598a035@news.easynews.com...
> In article <a62dd$42442fba$d1cc767a$10273@snip.allthenewsgroups.com>,
> zzz@zzz.com says...
> >
> > <lolajoker@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > news:19525-4243D0C8-248@storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net...
> > > Why can't they
> > > allow us just to program times in increments of 1 minute and allow us
to
> > > shorten the end time?
> >
> > There was a hack for this, you could both start late and end early;
however,
> > I didn't find it to work very well. It would be accepted okay, but it
> > seemed like some housekeeping function would come along later and say
> > "that's not right" and change the times on me. I haven't played with it
in
> > a while, maybe it would work better with your system or maybe the hack
> > itself has been updated. It should be in all the books or you could try
> > googling it; I'd point you to the AVS Forum but I think it's been
closed,
> > not sure why.
> >
> > Failing that, it's not an ideal solution, but what about putting in a
manual
> > to grab both shows? Say, 10:35 to 12:40? (I'm assuming you meant to
say
> > that Letterman ends at 11:38, not 10:38). With skip to tick, it
shouldn't
> > be too hard to find the start of Kimmel if that's all you wanted to
watch.
> >
> > Ed
> > 84HurstOlds@nowherenow.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> They're on different channels. It wouldn't change the channel if he just
> did a 2 hour block.
>
>
> Ahh, dual tuner directivo... But, even that gets messed up by Lost.
Anonymous
March 25, 2005 6:49:26 PM

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"theyak" <yak@dev.null> wrote in message >
>
> They're on different channels. It wouldn't change the channel if he just
> did a 2 hour block.

My bad, I knew that but wasn't thinking.

> Ahh, dual tuner directivo... But, even that gets messed up by Lost.

Wow...as an East-Coaster, don't have that problem. Letterman/Kimmel are
relegated to the 11:35 and 12:05 slots here, Lost is at 8 or 9.

Ed
84HurstOlds@nowherenow.com
Anonymous
March 25, 2005 10:09:26 PM

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In article <8cce7$42445cfe$d1cc767a$12611@snip.allthenewsgroups.com>,
zzz@zzz.com says...
>
> "theyak" <yak@dev.null> wrote in message >
> >
> > They're on different channels. It wouldn't change the channel if he just
> > did a 2 hour block.
>
> My bad, I knew that but wasn't thinking.
>
> > Ahh, dual tuner directivo... But, even that gets messed up by Lost.
>
> Wow...as an East-Coaster, don't have that problem. Letterman/Kimmel are
> relegated to the 11:35 and 12:05 slots here, Lost is at 8 or 9.
>
> Ed
> 84HurstOlds@nowherenow.com
>
>
>
>


No, the same type of problem, not with Letterman/Kimmel, that's the OP
that watches those.

I was merely speaking on dual tuners (and ABC's insistence on making
Lost 1:01 minutes).
Anonymous
March 25, 2005 10:09:27 PM

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"theyak" <yak@dev.null> wrote in message
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>
> I was merely speaking on dual tuners (and ABC's insistence on making
> Lost 1:01 minutes).

Ah, gotcha. Can't recall what I do with lost. Had a similar issue with
CSI/ER, but I resolved it by some trickery; it involves an SP + manual for
ER, a SP for the CSI, and then playing with priorities. If both are on, I
just lose the first minute or ER or something; really it ends up like
several seconds, hasn't really impeded my viewing much.

Ed
84HurstOlds@nowherenow.com
Anonymous
April 3, 2005 8:01:57 PM

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"machinehead" <zzz@zzz.com> wrote in news:2cfe$42445d4b$d1cc767a$12622
@snip.allthenewsgroups.com:

>
> Just other ones, like missed recordings, partial recordings, spontaneous
> reboots, etc.
>

Yeah, Tivo never does any of those things.

(Not.)
Anonymous
April 3, 2005 8:01:58 PM

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>>Just other ones, like missed recordings, partial recordings, spontaneous
>>reboots, etc.
>>
>
>
> Yeah, Tivo never does any of those things.
>
> (Not.)
>

*very* rarely, and when it happens it can usually be blamed on incorrect
guide data, not traced to the software.

Randy S.
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 7:11:39 PM

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But when I program the second show - in your example, ER - it tells me
that other shows set to record will not, and forces me to make a choice.
I can override the previous pass and lose those shows, or leave things
alone and nor record ER.

Or am I missing something?

Doug



machinehead wrote:
> Even if they did, I'd rather miss the first minute of ER (really 15 or 30
> seconds) than the last minute of, say, CSI. So I do this:
> 1. Season Pass for CSI (9:00 - 10:00 by default)
> 2. Season Pass for ER (9:59 - 11:00 by default)
> 3. Manual recording for ER, 10:00 - 11:00
> Then set (1) to be a higher priority than (2).
> If there is a (new - I have it set to first run only) CSI, then both are
> recorded and I miss the first xx seconds of ER - but I see the conclusion of
> CSI, and let's face it, the last 30 seconds of most shows are more
> importatnt than the first 30 seconds.
> If there's no (new) CSI, then I get the full 1:01 of ER.
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 7:35:36 PM

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Doug Ellice wrote:
> But when I program the second show - in your example, ER - it tells me
> that other shows set to record will not, and forces me to make a choice.
> I can override the previous pass and lose those shows, or leave things
> alone and nor record ER.
>
> Or am I missing something?
>
> Doug

No, you're missing his priorities. Look below (I recommend bottom
posting in the future) and note the *order* of the recordings. The
season pass for CSI is priority 1, so it will *always* record. The
season pass for ER is priority 2, so it will only record if item 1
doesn't happen (i.e. if CSI's a repeat). The manual recording is
priority 3 so it will only record if item 2 does *not* occur, which
means that item 1 *did* occur. Thus your potential scenarios are:

- CSI new, ER new: Item 1 and item 3 records. You get all of CSI and
all but the 1st minute of ER.

- CSI new, ER repeat: Item 1 and item 3 records. Same result as above.

- CSI repeat, ER new: Item 2 records. You get all of ER.

- CSI repeat, ER repeat: Item 3 records. You get all but the 1st
minute of a repeat of ER.

Kapiche?

Randy S.

> machinehead wrote:
>
>> Even if they did, I'd rather miss the first minute of ER (really 15 or 30
>> seconds) than the last minute of, say, CSI. So I do this:
>> 1. Season Pass for CSI (9:00 - 10:00 by default)
>> 2. Season Pass for ER (9:59 - 11:00 by default)
>> 3. Manual recording for ER, 10:00 - 11:00
>> Then set (1) to be a higher priority than (2).
>> If there is a (new - I have it set to first run only) CSI, then both are
>> recorded and I miss the first xx seconds of ER - but I see the
>> conclusion of
>> CSI, and let's face it, the last 30 seconds of most shows are more
>> importatnt than the first 30 seconds.
>> If there's no (new) CSI, then I get the full 1:01 of ER.
>
>
Anonymous
April 8, 2005 11:33:43 PM

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In article <49d75$425567d1$d1cc767a$28131@snip.allthenewsgroups.com>,
machinehead <zzz@zzz.com> wrote:
>Even if they did, I'd rather miss the first minute of ER (really 15 or 30
>seconds) than the last minute of, say, CSI. So I do this:
>
>1. Season Pass for CSI (9:00 - 10:00 by default)
>2. Season Pass for ER (9:59 - 11:00 by default)
>3. Manual recording for ER, 10:00 - 11:00
>
>Then set (1) to be a higher priority than (2).
>
>If there is a (new - I have it set to first run only) CSI, then both are
>recorded and I miss the first xx seconds of ER - but I see the conclusion of
>CSI, and let's face it, the last 30 seconds of most shows are more
>importatnt than the first 30 seconds.

But if we could program _to the minute_, you could do a
9:00-9:58 CSI manual SP
ER SP even with one extra minute beforehand(*)
CSI SP

CSI finishes the actual show between 9:57 and 9:58 as far as I've seen.
(I don't like missing the end credits either, but if it's between two shows,
I'd rather miss the end credits if it's a show that doesn't do an 'end gag',
which is only sitcoms.)

(*) Though with only one exception I've noticed, NBC has actually been
starting at the 9:59 official start time, usually not even cutting off any
of the "previously on" part. There's only one time in the past two years
I noticed when they still started early, and luckily NBC reran that ep
in the past few months so I got the whole ep on my DVD recorder (I used
the earlier recording for all but the beginning bit, since it likely had
fewer bugs and was the first run so by definition wasn't chopped/speed up
for more commercials). So the non-hour start times stink, but at least
if they follow the official times I give them a bit of credit. Fox
still VERY often does not. The beginnings of the Simpsons and Malcolm in the
Middle virtually always fall into the previous timeslot.

>And I think the scheduling is more to have extra high-rate advertising time
>on the part of the networks, than some vast conspiracy against DVR owners.

Yeah, it's done on the more highly rated shows, so they can charge higher
ad rates during the more highly rated shows.
--
mattack@vax.hanford.org
Anonymous
April 9, 2005 7:40:30 AM

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mattack@gmail.com wrote:
> In article <49d75$425567d1$d1cc767a$28131@snip.allthenewsgroups.com>,
> machinehead <zzz@zzz.com> wrote:
>
>>Even if they did, I'd rather miss the first minute of ER (really 15 or 30
>>seconds) than the last minute of, say, CSI. So I do this:
>>
>>1. Season Pass for CSI (9:00 - 10:00 by default)
>>2. Season Pass for ER (9:59 - 11:00 by default)
>>3. Manual recording for ER, 10:00 - 11:00
>>
>>Then set (1) to be a higher priority than (2).
>>
>>If there is a (new - I have it set to first run only) CSI, then both are
>>recorded and I miss the first xx seconds of ER - but I see the conclusion of
>>CSI, and let's face it, the last 30 seconds of most shows are more
>>importatnt than the first 30 seconds.
>
>
> But if we could program _to the minute_, you could do a
> 9:00-9:58 CSI manual SP
> ER SP even with one extra minute beforehand(*)
> CSI SP

Yes, it would nice nice to be able to record short at the beginning or
end. But unless and until that happens, the above is a good workaround.
I do something similar to get around the Lost/West Wing conflict.

--Charlene

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