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March 1, 2013 12:16:57 AM

Hello, all

First time posting in these forums.
I am about to buy pieces for the FIRST time in my life for my own custom desktop. I put the limit to around 1300 $ ish therefore i went with the following parts;

CPU Intel i5-3570
Mobo Asus P8Z77-V LK
GPU Sapphire 7970 Dual fan 950mhz
Case Corsair Carbide Series 200 R Compact
Opt Drive 20$ anything
HDD Seagate 2TB 7200rpm
PSU 600w corsair or anything
Ram Corsair 1600mhz 8 gb

My biggest question is right now is to choose between;

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

and

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

prices are VERY similar but with the latest AMD drivers which one will be more future proof and dependable ? thanks a LOT

More about : 7970 gtx 680

March 1, 2013 12:23:12 AM

7970 vs gtx 670 is more viable...


7970GHz vs gtx 680 is better

just for a bit of heads up

-GGTX 670 cheaper than 680 by a bit and performs not far from it
-7970GHz beats both 670 and 680 for a cheaper price than the 680. Fact.
-7970 has 3GB vram which is better for high resolution and AMD is known to perform better at high res and also the 3GB will take advantage of high res texture packs and higher settings for future games.


I will find some comparisons and post soon.
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March 1, 2013 12:25:07 AM

JaredzzC said:
7970 vs gtx 670 is more viable...


7970GHz vs gtx 680 is better

just for a bit of heads up

-GGTX 670 cheaper than 680 by a bit and performs not far from it
-7970GHz beats both 670 and 680 for a cheaper price than the 680. Fact.
-7970 has 3GB vram which is better for high resolution and AMD is known to perform better at high res and also the 3GB will take advantage of high res texture packs and higher settings for future games.


I will find some comparisons and post soon.

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March 1, 2013 12:26:03 AM

Thanks a lot brother. Quick reply. As it's my first custom desktop I am really trying to get the best out of my money. :D 
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March 1, 2013 12:34:35 AM

basically, what you are saying is that I should get 7970 for 30$ cheaper than 680 and enjoy better performance in most games with the latest 13.2 amd drivers? I mean back in the day people chose 7970 over 680 was because of a 100$ ~ price difference now that it is almost as little as 30$ .. i am honestly stuck in between.
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March 1, 2013 12:38:03 AM

In my opinion (and anyone is free to disagree)

The 7970GHz is better than the 670 and 680 for a cheaper price, not that anything is more future proof but with the more vram it has more chance of surviving longer (in terms of replacement)

If you are certain on getting the 7970 rather than the GHz version then in my opinion the 7970 would be better than the 670 (but not the 680)
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March 1, 2013 12:52:54 AM

That would depend on if you know how to overclock well. The difference between the cards is that the Ghz is factory overclocked where the non-Ghz is not. If you can overclock well the normal 7970 is going to be your choice.
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March 1, 2013 12:54:02 AM

The last one is better in terms of performence higher clock and memory speeds which will be a good increase for games, but whether or not the $40 is worth it I can't help you with that (sorry) I don't want to mislead you....

If you are comfortable on overclocking you can increase the speed of the cheaper card to match that of the other card but if you don't know what your doing you can damage your gpu...


I'm sorry i cant help you, your gonna have to ask someone else..

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March 1, 2013 12:57:50 AM

Massive compute ability which may make its way into more games
Wide memory bus with 3GB VRAM to match
AMD Evolved sponsoring becoming more aggressive
Console Market
Price/performance crown

AMD is definitely on tops of things at the moment and the momentum is gaining. If your into 3D and need Cuda then get a 670-680 for everything else the 7970 is the choice!
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March 1, 2013 1:00:04 AM

ikes9711 said:
That would depend on if you know how to overclock well. The difference between the cards is that the Ghz is factory overclocked where the non-Ghz is not. If you can overclock well the normal 7970 is going to be your choice.



True, the absolute maximum a normal 7970 will overclock will be close to a standard 680 (if your lucky, slightly over)

as i said though, if you are honestly not comfortable on overclocking the other 7970s will be a good choice.
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March 1, 2013 1:04:03 AM

Just to clarify the 7970's, without taking user overclocking into account(so reference design). Think of there being two 7970's. The Regular 7970 (released January 2012) and the 7970 GHz edition (released June 2012). The regular GPU runs at 925MHz. The GHz edition run at 1000 MHz and may boost itself to 1050 MHz under certain circumstances. The difference can be almost 14% (3790 vs. 4300 gigaflops). And some of the vendors have released versions running even higher.

This is debatable, but it's likely the yeilds are better now than they were at launch. Allowing higher clock speeds.
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that was 1050 MHz not GHz (lol, that would be crazy boost)
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March 1, 2013 1:05:25 AM

wdmfiber said:
Just to clarify the 7970's, without taking user overclocking into account(so reference design). Think of there being two 7970's. The Regular 7970 (released January 2012) and the 7970 GHz edition (released June 2012). The regular GPU runs at 925MHz. The GHz edition run at 1000 MHz and may boost itself to 1050 GHz under certain circumstances. The difference can be almost 14% (3790 vs. 4300 gigaflops). And some of the vendors have released versions running even higher.

This is debatable, but it's likely the yeilds are better now than they were at launch. Allowing higher clock speeds.



out of the 2 links the OP provided:

1000 @ 5.5

1100 @ 6

both the cards he posted are GHz but the more expensive one has higher figures..

Do you think the difference is worth it, especially for the price?
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March 1, 2013 1:09:00 AM

Seqqsy said:
Hello, all

First time posting in these forums.
I am about to buy pieces for the FIRST time in my life for my own custom desktop. I put the limit to around 1300 $ ish therefore i went with the following parts;

CPU Intel i5-3570
Mobo Asus P8Z77-V LK
GPU Sapphire 7970 Dual fan 950mhz
Case Corsair Carbide Series 200 R Compact
Opt Drive 20$ anything
HDD Seagate 2TB 7200rpm
PSU 600w corsair or anything
Ram Corsair 1600mhz 8 gb

My biggest question is right now is to choose between;

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

and

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

prices are VERY similar but with the latest AMD drivers which one will be more future proof and dependable ? thanks a LOT

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March 1, 2013 1:14:12 AM

JaredzzC said:
True, the absolute maximum a normal 7970 will overclock will be close to a standard 680 (if your lucky, slightly over)

as i said though, if you are honestly not comfortable on overclocking the other 7970s will be a good choice.

A 7950 can match a 680 if you get a good one, a 7970 will steamroller a 680. There is no 'absolute maximum', its all down to luck, but its not uncommon for a 7970 to get 1200Mhz, which is a massive increase over the base clock.

7970 is faster no matter what. With that, comes more heat, noise and power consupmtion.
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March 1, 2013 1:17:02 AM

Well there is more to consider and many people have a favorite vendor. So they may be willing to pay more; for an Asus (as an example).

But anyway, Seqqsy should also consider noise. To some it may not be as important, but I like a quiet machine.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2012-vga-gpgpu/25-No...
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March 1, 2013 1:17:42 AM

And lets not forget the AMD game bundle.

Anyone with a good quiet 7970(in the market for a new card too. My old 5870 has been serving me VERY well). I would prefer it to shove as much heat out of the case as it could due to my case being smaller.

This is the only thing making me eye some of the Nvidia cards(670/680) more(lower noise and removing heat out the back[or top for FT03 owners] of the case.).

AMD seems to have more Video enhancement options as well, but takes more power while playing back video.

Can anyone with a 7XXX card please tell me if the cards still clock down when watching a video and playing a game together or if they stay in full 3d clock speeds now?
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March 1, 2013 1:21:07 AM

Yes, the AMD cards pull out more power, heat and noise...
If they are a big factor for you then I would suggest nvidia as they have great scores in terms of those 3 sectors but your 600w will cover it (considering you have a good make, like the corsair you have mentioned)
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March 1, 2013 1:28:48 AM

His corsair should be perfectly fine, they are a good company producing good products but XFX are good as well..

I have a XFX 850W Semi-Modular 80+ Silver (not that you need to know that) :p 

If you do plan on doing crossfire/sli in the future

(at least 2 cards, i suggest a higher PSU)

We shouldn't lead away from the GPU though, if you need advice for PSU create another thread.
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March 1, 2013 1:40:59 AM

@Nuke
Upgrading from a 5870. Humm, better get a 680 or 7970 GHz edition (to make it worth while). A 5870 is rated at 2720 gigaflops, which is only about 6% less than a 7950 (non boost edition). Yes, flops aren't everything. Perhaps only a rough guide and the new GPU's are DirectX 11.1 ect. But frig... look up some frame rates, if you got a new "mid-range" GPU. You'd be like?... there's no improvement!

Released back in late 2009. That card was ahead of it's time, who knew...

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March 1, 2013 1:42:29 AM

Ok. Basically to sum it up. Sapphire is just another Gigabyte but without factory OC thus I will be the one doing the OC'ing.

If that is the ONLY difference between the 2 cards I will go with the;
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=67547&vpn=GV-R797OC-3GD&m...

which is at 380$ atm. Very cheap almost coming close to MSI twinfrz 7950. But like many said here, apparently 7970 is the way to go for gaming performance with the latest driver updates.

A very quick question, will i5-3570k be enough to run this card with no problems when I OC it ? If so, i can save the little bit extra money to spend it on the monitor :D 

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March 1, 2013 1:45:21 AM

Seqqsy said:
Ok. Basically to sum it up. Sapphire is just another Gigabyte but without factory OC thus I will be the one doing the OC'ing.

If that is the ONLY difference between the 2 cards I will go with the;
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=67547&vpn=GV-R797OC-3GD&m...

which is at 380$ atm. Very cheap almost coming close to MSI twinfrz 7950. But like many said here, apparently 7970 is the way to go for gaming performance with the latest driver updates.

A very quick question, will i5-3570k be enough to run this card with no problems when I OC it ? If so, i can save the little bit extra money to spend it on the monitor :D 


Good choice of card and especially for that price /Edit: wait, is it really voltage locked???

Your CPU is more than perfectly capable, one of the latest quad cores
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March 1, 2013 1:45:43 AM

Btw, some people saying that the card i posted is voltage locked does that mean I can barely OC higher and if so the hell would I want to go for ggbyte than sapphire ? lol
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March 1, 2013 1:45:48 AM

wdmfiber said:
@Nuke
Upgrading from a 5870. Humm, better get a 680 or 7970 GHz edition (to make it worth while). A 5870 is rated at 2720 gigaflops, which is only about 6% less than a 7950 (non boost edition). Yes, flops aren't everything. Perhaps only a rough guide and the new GPU's are DirectX 11.1 ect. But frig... look up some frame rates, if you got a new "mid-range" GPU. You'd be like?... there's no improvement!

Released back in late 2009. That card was ahead of it's time, who knew...

Yeah, I know that a current mid end card is the same or slower(I have a 650ti in my media center. works well, but clearly its slower.). It is JUST getting to a point that the 5870 starts to show its age with newer games.

Maybe I should just overclock it and see how long I can ride this card for :) 
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March 1, 2013 1:48:02 AM

Seqqsy said:
Btw, some people saying that the card i posted is voltage locked does that mean I can barely OC higher and if so the hell would I want to go for ggbyte than sapphire ? lol


You can OC but the higher you overclock the more your card will become unstable so to compensate this the voltage is raised.
If it is the case that the voltage is locked this means you won't be able to OC that much(or anything at all, dependant on what its locked at, but as cooky said, you will lose the potential of overclocking)
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March 1, 2013 1:48:32 AM

Seqqsy said:
Btw, some people saying that the card i posted is voltage locked does that mean I can barely OC higher and if so the hell would I want to go for ggbyte than sapphire ? lol

I wouldn't buy a voltage locked one, you lose alot of overclocking potential.
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March 1, 2013 2:06:10 AM

the 7970 from gigabyte is locked on the voltage. you can still get 1150mhz though for most cards.

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March 1, 2013 2:16:00 AM

Ok. Just tell me number (1) or (2) is better. I am about to make the purchase right now. I just want to know if sapphire is voltage locked or not and that Gigabyte is better. Honestly the time I spent on going back and forth on these cards are the biggest waste.

1- http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

or

2- http://ncix.com/products/?sku=67547&vpn=GV-R797OC-3GD&m...

sapphire - 950mhz
ggbyte - 1000 mhz

and if you have another fav please link.
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